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Although its not UK if i was the power company id just cut her off as its their constitutional rights to upgrade their service equipment and if like here they need to do so they have legal granting to enter properties to do so if it ever got that far.


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I think the authors of the US constitution didn't really intend it to be used for silly disputes like this, a total over reaction on her part to go and grab a gun but hey, we're in Texas Y'aal. As far as her husband's claim of the power supplier being able to tell what you're using and when, is that really possible or is it some sort of redneck conspiracy theory? Maybe he likes to look at naughty sites while his wife goes shopping and thinks she might find out:)
 
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What are naughty sites Trev .... please tell :thinking:
 

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I watched a documentary that showed how monitoring of your power usage could be used, and when interpreted by an "expert",it could reveal tremendous amounts of information about a person,lifestyle,health etc

It was a little unpleasant to be told what these are capable of revealing, and for what benefit to the public ?
There will be no tangable benefit for the consumer,yet a possible, even if very small chance of Big Brother society creeping ever further into your life

I would want some reassuring evidence that there are benefits for the consume.r before the country subsidises the introduction of these meters
 

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Lol,..... very amusing...... but seriously every type of appliance has a recognized 'signature' when switching in and out of the supply which basically means that this information is likely to be sold onto 3rd parties.
Just as your use of the internet indicates, you will notice that whenever you go onto various sites. You will have advertizing directly aimed at your interests.
 
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Ive got an apt installed on computer that stop each site logging your interests in cookie form, it tells you too what the site is using to browse your habits, i believe this site has a few running in backgrounds as do all sites, but some have several running together all stealing your habitual traits.
 

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I believe its a little less unnerving for younger people (who understand new communication technology far better than us ancient ones)to accept these possible intrusions

Even accepting that information is extracted about me, without my being aware.its another step again, to allow that information to be extracted unless I permit the deed,it sometimes seems that privacy is all but a memory of past times
 

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The stupid.....it hurts......


How smart do people think these are anyway? Far as I know they can't tell the difference between a heater, kettle or lamp. And if you have access to that kind of equipment to hijack this, why would you be using it to do over some redneck's bungalow?

Suppose Henley will see a sudden uptake in their blocks for meter bypass, tinfoil hat stores may do well too :rofl:
 

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A lot of people do not realise that utility companies ie water,gas,electricity have a "Statutory Right of Access" to your property UK law
 

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A lot of people do not realise that utility companies ie water,gas,electricity have a "Statutory Right of Access" to your property UK law
I know that used to be the case when all the utilities were nationalised - I wonder if it survived privatisation intact. Obviously the companies have certain rights to access their owned equipment on your property, but I'm not sure it is as draconian as it once was. Anyone on here from the utility companies enlighten us?

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I think the authors of the US constitution didn't really intend it to be used for silly disputes like this, a total over reaction on her part to go and grab a gun but hey, we're in Texas Y'aal. As far as her husband's claim of the power supplier being able to tell what you're using and when, is that really possible or is it some sort of redneck conspiracy theory? Maybe he likes to look at naughty sites while his wife goes shopping and thinks she might find out:)
The guy is absolutely correct Trev , a smart meter can monitor , how , when , what power you use - its exactly the same for the smart meters in this country as well.
Although i'm not as paranoid as your average american i also think its a big intrusion and a stealthy way of collecting data that you have no control of how its used.
Big brother IS watching.
now wheres my shotgun ?
 
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A lot of people do not realise that utility companies ie water,gas,electricity have a "Statutory Right of Access" to your property UK law
Maybe , but i'd like to see them put that right into action without police assistance.
If they want to cut you off its more than likely a street-side disconnection.
 
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The guy is absolutely correct Trev , a smart meter can monitor , how , when , what power you use - its exactly the same for the smart meters in this country as well.
But not what it is thats using the power...

The meters outside too so dont think theres much risk from them getting 'sick' from the signal...

Total over reaction...
 
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But not what it is thats using the power...

The meters outside too so dont think theres much risk from them getting 'sick' from the signal...

Total over reaction...
i dont think so , unless you know what is done with the data is collected ?
and i dont understand your comment getting sick from the signal ? unless you mean some sort of health hazard , which i never implied or even mentioned anyway ??
 

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Smart meters can distinguish what appliances are being used and when. They can log a profile of usage over a period of time which would include what appliances were switched on and off over that period as well as general load profile such as max demand and power factor etc. This info is then 'bounced from one smart meter to the next by wi-fi network until it reaches the central server. This means your smart meter isn't just transmitting your usage info intermittently, it's actually acting as a relay station for everyone else's info in the area so it's constantly receiving and transmitting.

There's lots of privacy issues as well as worries about the blanket of RF the networks of smart meters lay down.

The owners of the collected data can use it to determine your load profile and habits as a consumer. They also have a nasty habit of selling the data to anyone with the cash. Datamining is very big business.

I wouldn't allow one on my house either. The mistake that woman made was not emptying the magazine into the device after they fitted it.
 

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well if only nic had it...(the power of sugestion that is)..........then maybe we would have had the benefits of AC before Nicola Tesla
 
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Smart meters can distinguish what appliances are being used and when. They can log a profile of usage over a period of time which would include what appliances were switched on and off over that period as well as general load profile such as max demand and power factor etc. This info is then 'bounced from one smart meter to the next by wi-fi network until it reaches the central server. This means your smart meter isn't just transmitting your usage info intermittently, it's actually acting as a relay station for everyone else's info in the area so it's constantly receiving and transmitting.

There's lots of privacy issues as well as worries about the blanket of RF the networks of smart meters lay down.

The owners of the collected data can use it to determine your load profile and habits as a consumer. They also have a nasty habit of selling the data to anyone with the cash. Datamining is very big business.

I wouldn't allow one on my house either. The mistake that woman made was not emptying the magazine into the device after they fitted it.
Thanks Marvo , glad someone else shares my concerns , and for providing more technical info to back my earlier comments.
 

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Have you ever noticed that any device/item whose description is prequelled by the term "smart" is usually lacking in the basic sound qualities which would allow it to be desired by folk because it was needed? ...This is why nobody has ever had to market "smart-beer" or "smart-pole-dancer"........:cheesy:
 

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Rather than 'Smart' they should have been named 'too smart for their own good'. These things are way too Big Brother for my liking, they collect info just for the sake of it and the customer gets no benefits, I'm certainly not buying it that the power company needs to monitor power usage at such a granular level in order to provide better service. The power company makes a fortune selling the info.

The problem for me is what can be discovered by analyzing such info, they know what time you arrive home at night, what time you go to bed, whether you shower in the morning or not, whether anyone is home during the day, how many computers you have running at home and so on. I would also have grave concerns about the security of this data as it's cascade transmitted by wi-fi many times over.

Like I said these things aren't for me.
 

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Have you ever noticed that any device/item whose description is prequelled by the term "smart" is usually lacking in the basic sound qualities which would allow it to be desired by folk because it was needed? ...This is why nobody has ever had to market "smart-beer" or "smart-pole-dancer"........:cheesy:

I think pole-dancers are a lot smarter than we are... they earn far more money for much less work.:tounge_smile:
 
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Just surround said meter in chicken wire ;)
 

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I have no doubt that once the data can be collected it will be sold. I also have no confidence in the ability of the data owners/keepers to manage it securely. I have been assured that the data transmission is encrypted to a high level but as these meters will be in use for many years how long will it be before someone manages a hack to the encryption?

My blocker (Gohstery) says there are 10 trackers running on this site.

Am I paranoid, only slightly. Having been the victim of an attempted identity fraud I am very careful what I tell anybody about me.
 
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