thoughts on these electrical compliance companys

Farmelectrics · Dec 30, 2019

a well known electrical compliance company recently carried out an eicr on a pharmaceutical company which is a fair size and completed it in 3 days leaving bar codes on each distribution board facility's manager was well happy with the paper work he received, but my question is how are they doing it this quickly and are they making the results up

static zap · Dec 30, 2019

Do they have near identical buildings / locations .. ?
(time to compare results )

Farmelectrics · Dec 30, 2019

static zap said:
Do they have near identical buildings / locations .. ?
(time to compare results )

some buildings are quite close but others aren't at a guess could be about 50 dbs spread across the site maybe more

Pete999 · Dec 30, 2019

Farmelectrics said:
a well known electrical compliance company recently carried out an eicr on a pharmaceutical company which is a fair size and completed it in 3 days leaving bar codes on each distribution board facility's manager was well happy with the paper work he received, but my question is how are they doing it this quickly and are they making the results up

Are you talking Competent Persons Schemes or Electrical Contractors?

snowhead · Dec 30, 2019

How many operatives did they use, how many hours did they each work and what system of record recording do they use on site / office?

Presumable some of the testing was done out of hours, did they have operatives onsite 24hrs /day for each of the 3 days?

There's a lot of information missing to make a judgement.

Farmelectrics · Dec 30, 2019

snowhead said:
How many operatives did they use, how many hours did they each work and what system of record recording do they use on site / office?

Presumable some of the testing was done out of hours, did they have operatives onsite 24hrs /day for each of the 3 days?

There's a lot of information missing to make a judgement.

know out of hours working 4 men 3 days not seen the report so cant comment on what's in it can only imagine lots of lims or copied results from previous reports
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Pete999 said:
Are you talking Competent Persons Schemes or Electrical Contractors?

electrical contractors I would presume

static zap · Dec 30, 2019

Farmelectrics said:
copied results from previous reports

Confirming against previous - worst readings work ..
relying on previous investment of time.

Farmelectrics · Dec 30, 2019

static zap said:
Confirming against previous - worst readings work ..
relying on previous investment of time.

I've been told from another spark I know whos working for a similar company that they do a selection of zs readings get the highest and lowest readings and do a lot of pinging as he called it. ha ha

Pete999 · Dec 30, 2019

Farmelectrics said:
know out of hours working 4 men 3 days not seen the report so cant comment on what's in it can only imagine lots of lims or copied results from previous reports
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electrical contractors I would presume

You could be more specific without naming names surely

Farmelectrics said:
I've been told from another spark I know whos working for a similar company that they do a selection of zs readings get the highest and lowest readings and do a lot of pinging as he called it. ha ha

Have you been in contact with this, "compliance Company" to complain about what you consider to be unsatisfactory working practices?
I would think, this would be your best initial approach, let them answer your concerns, if you are still not happy, return to the Forum for further consideration.

ipf · Dec 30, 2019

Pete999 said:
You could be more specific without naming names surely

Have you been in contact with this, "compliance Company" to complain about what you consider to be unsatisfactory working practices?
I would think, this would be your best initial approach, let them answer your concerns, if you are still not happy, return to the Forum for further consideration.

He's only asking for thoughts, Pete. We have no details, he may have no involvement. There may be nothing unsatisfactory.
It sounds like a large site but, as others have said, it's the hours and workforce used that matters.
If previous certificates are available, a lot of time is saved and, if the same contractor, with knowledge of the site, is carrying out the inspection and testing, even more so.

Strima · Dec 30, 2019

Have you spoken to the person ordering the works and confirmed the agreed extent and limitations of testing?

Pete999 · Dec 30, 2019

ipf said:
He's only asking for thoughts, Pete. We have no details, he may have no involvement. There may be nothing unsatisfactory.
It sounds like a large site but, as others have said, it's the hours and workforce used that matters.
If previous certificates are available, a lot of time is saved and, if the same contractor, with knowledge of the site, is carrying out the inspection and testing, even more so.

I agree Mate with all due respects to the OP, this was brought up by him in his opening post, my point is without any information, it is/will be very difficult to form any opinions without documentation. I appreciate the OP has mentioned time and number of operatives, but yjis in it's self is in my opinion not enough information, going to just watch this post from now on.

Farmelectrics · Dec 30, 2019

Pete999 said:
I agree Mate with all due respects to the OP, this was brought up by him in his opening post, my point is without any information, it is/will be very difficult to form any opinions without documentation. I appreciate the OP has mentioned time and number of operatives, but yjis in it's self is in my opinion not enough information, going to just watch this post from now on.

as said I was only after other peoples thoughts on this subject I have had no involvement in this just keen to learn how they can do it so quickly, but not sure if there were any lims agreed, there certainly were no limitations agreed last time the test was carried out because the company I was working for carried out the testing and it took 4 weeks

ipf · Dec 30, 2019

How many people and what sort of hours?

Farmelectrics · Dec 30, 2019

ipf said:
How many people and what sort of hours?

2 men 40 hours a week and some out of hours work aswell

Robson689 · Dec 30, 2019

Everything's about speed these days you'll probably find a roll of wallpaper in the managers office with a list of limitations from the test written on the back

davesparks · Dec 30, 2019

Pete999 said:
Are you talking Competent Persons Schemes or Electrical Contractors?

'electrical compliance' companies, or a variation on that theme, are what companies who carry out (usually dodgy) ISITEE, EICRs etc are calling themselves these days.
They generally offer a range of other services such as thermal imaging surveys, emergency lighting testing etc etc.
They are usually the kind of companies who try to force customers into having them complete the remedial work 'because if someone else does it you then have to pay us to come back and re-do the report to sign it off'

I'm sure there are companies who specialise in this kind of inspection testing work and carry it out properly, sadly my personal experience is of trying to make sense of or straighten out many nonsense reports.

My favourite EICR observation to date is a C3 given for old wiring colours (red and black) with a recommendation to have every conductor sleeved at its temrinations with brown and blue.