UK Wago’s on circuit

[click4]

Apologies if this sounds like a stupid question, lol

it has no purpose other than curiosity.

but usually on a radial or ring, both usually the cable coming into the socket and going out each wire is paired up and terminated into 1 terminal on the faceplate.

so both lives in L, neutrals in N etc

Is there any reason why it wouldn’t be acceptable, to terminate both cables into wagos, then have a short cable coming out the wagos into the socket? So only 1 wire is terminated in each terminal rather than the typical 2.

I know it’s added cost, but just thought due to the nature of the wagos utilising clamping forced to maintain contact. It would maintain the integrity of the circuit better as with usual method of termination. 1 loose connection (I know there shouldn’t be any) effects the entire circuit.

but by using wagos to link both legs together at each socket, with just a fly cable to the faceplate it would eliminate that, may even get lower resistance readings.

as above was just a thought and I’d be interested to know if there is any reason why not or what everyone’s thoughts are on it.

 

[Risteard]

It's essentially no different to an unfused spur, so there's nothing inherently wrong with it. I certainly wouldn't consider it sensible to deliberately introduce an unnecessary connection into the equation though when there is no reason not to terminate both conductors under the terminal screw. It may have a place when altering the wiring or cutting back damaged conductors etc.

 

[littlespark]

Every socket on an rfc would be a spur.
Is that what you mean?

 

[click4]

True it would be a spur, and agree it could be an extra failure point.

curiosity came from that on odd occasion screw terminals can work loose over time and also I’ve experienced it on odd occasion when you put multiple conductors in a terminal, give it a tug to make sure it’s gripped properly and 1 of the conductors hasn’t gripped and pulls out.

so was just a thought of doing that would maintain the integrity better as a loose terminal wouldn’t compromise the entire circuit and wagos utilising clamping force shouldn’t become loose or if there was any regulation why not.

 

[littlespark]

Good quality socket terminations don’t come loose when done properly. Cheap tat does. You can shear the screw right off sometimes.

I’m sure there is at least one manufacturer tried using lever type connections, but can’t remember who.
Can’t recall if it was one or two levers each pole or not. Even 2 levers would be no good if spurring off that particular socket

 

[click4]

Would be good if more had the lever terminals like wagos, guess they don’t due to cost?

no over or under tightened terminals so would be more consistent.

 

[JamesL2022]

Good quality socket terminations don’t come loose when done properly. Cheap tat does. You can shear the screw right off sometimes.

I’m sure there is at least one manufacturer tried using lever type connections, but can’t remember who.
Can’t recall if it was one or two levers each pole or not. Even 2 levers would be no good if spurring off that particular socket

out of interest what would you class as a good brand of double socket? Most of the ones I’ve tried are absolutely awful to terminate like MK, Hager isn’t much better either, as the screws either don’t grip the copper in the light switches and they push them out as you tighten up or the heads become absolutely ruined in the sockets. I personally think Schneider Lisse are the way to go, I’ve not had much trouble with those except the metal ones where the fronts keep pinging off.

 

[Andy78]

out of interest what would you class as a good brand of double socket? Most of the ones I’ve tried are absolutely awful to terminate like MK, Hager isn’t much better either, as the screws either don’t grip the copper in the light switches and they push them out as you tighten up or the heads become absolutely ruined in the sockets. I personally think Schneider Lisse are the way to go, I’ve not had much trouble with those except the metal ones where the fronts keep pinging off.

I have used Hager for years and don't have those problems at all. In fact one of the reasons I use them is because they are easy to terminate with reliable quality screws and terminals.

 

[123]

I've had numerous issues with MK stuff in recent years. It just isn't a good quality product these days, and I find it very cumbersome to work with.

Click Scolmore stuff is a doddle to connect, and you don't need to get dizzy with 2-3-4-6 gang switches and fused spurs with the the terminals all over the place.

 

[Risteard]

I've had numerous issues with MK stuff in recent years. It just isn't a good quality product these days, and I find it very cumbersome to work with.

Click Scolmore stuff is a doddle to connect, and you don't need to get dizzy with 2-3-4-6 gang switches and fused spurs with the the terminals all over the place.

Another vote for Click from me.

 

[JamesL2022]

I've had numerous issues with MK stuff in recent years. It just isn't a good quality product these days, and I find it very cumbersome to work with.

Click Scolmore stuff is a doddle to connect, and you don't need to get dizzy with 2-3-4-6 gang switches and fused spurs with the the terminals all over the place.

I used some of the click stuff on my AM2 recently, and was surprised at just how good it was especially with the nature of use in an AM2 centre. I was quite impressed. Are they the same people who make the blue 20amp lighting plug and socket connectors? As those are brilliant and have so many uses.

 

[Midwest]

I do think the face of MK accessories look the most aesthetically please, just a shame about the terminals on the back.

 

[123]

I used some of the click stuff on my AM2 recently, and was surprised at just how good it was especially with the nature of use in an AM2 centre. I was quite impressed. Are they the same people who make the blue 20amp lighting plug and socket connectors? As those are brilliant and have so many uses.

Yes, it's the same company. The connector you refer to is called "Click Flow"