What percentage of Sparks voted Brexit?

[andyb]

In sum, socialism spends what capitalism earns.

So let me guess JK, you were born in a private hospital, educated privatley, live on a private estate paying for the up keep. I could go on but I'm sure you get my point.

The opposite to socialism is not capitalism, it's individualism.
And you're welcome to that.

 

[Des 56]

Who said the future of the younger generation was not hijacked by us oldies who paid no regard to their future ?

Over 45,voted out,you should be ashamed of yourselves

 

[plugsandsparks]

Ha, i love this stuff. So the population with the most experience in the world vote out and the ones who have only just spit the dummy out vote remain and thats really relevant to justify a second referendum.... lol

 

[stuarth]

This is the problem atm with any discussion, if you don't agree with someone then you insult them, this is the second time

Over 45,voted out,you should be ashamed of yourselves

you have said that which is a shame because you started with something that looks like the start of a factual intelligent argument, I learnt my lesson not to allow silly comments into a discussion.
Please explain why everyone over 45 who voted out should be ashamed? and why everyone over 45 who voted in should not be ashamed?
I reached my decision about leaving many years ago based on what I learnt from reading papers & listening to the radio as well as talking with others who disagreed and real life experiences observing the changes in our country and politicians. In the past 10-20 years the EU has become less democratic and more about grabbing power from sovereign states and bringing about a political ideology than looking after the best interests of the European population. Heres a quick fact for you " Michel Barnier says the EU needs a 'common foreign policy and common defence' - despite Nick Clegg warning that the idea of an EU army was a 'dangerous fantasy' " both men can be viewed making their comments here and here, I could start digging around and researching more actual facts to support my opinion that we as a nation would better out of the EU super state but I have many better things to do.

 

[andyb]

This is the problem atm with any discussion, if you don't agree with someone then you insult them,

Hardly an insult Stuarth, bit silly but not insulting.

If you want to find insults in this thread you don't have to look very far.

I was correct that it was obviously to complicated for some to understand

If thats too complicated I am sure there are some knowledgable people here who could explain it to you in small words so you and your fellow remoaners can understand

typical of a small but vocal minority of self satisfied bigots who think that their view is the only legitimate view allowed.

 

[MDJ]

Who said the future of the younger generation was not hijacked by us oldies who paid no regard to their future ?

Over 45,voted out,you should be ashamed of yourselves

Hi Des,

A good graph, I think this shows how we as a nation are changing actually. People these days are just so much different than those of us over 45, the people over 45 were brought up in a different world, a world without credit, a world where most of us had a black and white telly or no telly at all, no computers, no 24 hour live news, no fake news 24-7, playing outside not inside, the youngsters today have to build their futures, it isn't for us over 50 we have had our chance and made the world what it is now, wars in the middle east, poverty, gangs and terrorism pretty much the norm now, we created a lot of it, the north south divide, Scotland getting more per head than the rest of the UK, we did it, the youngsters can change it, I voted to remain, but am now an outy, purely due to the French treating us like rubbish when we lost a million men rescuing them twice from the Germans their new best mates.

So come on youngsters show us you can make a better tommorrow.

 

[telectrix]

the under 25's are too young to remember what damage the EU has done to this country since the 70's. since the 50's we were trading with the rest of the world and our economy was going from strength to strength.soon as we joined the common market we have been subsidising most of europe's crap economies, remember the butter mountains and wine lakes that existed to maintain high prices for ineffficient lazy surrender monkey farmers with 3 sheep and 2 cows?

 

[andyb]

the under 25's are too young to remember what damage the EU has done to this country since the 70's. since the 50's we were trading with the rest of the world and our economy was going from strength to strength.soon as we joined the common market we have been subsidising most of europe's crap economies, remember the butter mountains and wine lakes that existed to maintain high prices for ineffficient lazy surrender monkey farmers with 3 sheep and 2 cows?

Well tel, since the 70's this country has prospered and got richer and richer. We're the 5th richest country in the world.
This was achieved while in the EU.
And just to help you out a little, we actually do trade with the rest of the world, where did you get the idea that we don't?

 

[FatAlan]

‘Get back control of our borders’ We can already do that but choose not do because of cost. Do you honestly think that when we leave the government are going to magic up the money to Police UK borders? We don’t even have the resources to detect who’s nicking your tools. Do you honestly think Boris and his Eton cronies give a damn about the honest working person. They are in it for themselves and just playing to the nationalist agenda. FWIW I am a Euro sceptic and voted out but I’m very worried about the way things are playing out at the moment.

 

[telectrix]

our mining industry really prospered when the Germans started selling us coal cheaper than we could produce it,

 

[FatAlan]

our mining industry really prospered when the Germans started selling us coal cheaper than we could produce it,

and Maggie T decided she wanted to break the Unions

 

[telectrix]

and Maggie T Scargill decided he wanted to break the Unions bring down the government

corrected that for you.

 

[FatAlan]

corrected that for you.

Isn’t that the same thing? Scargill of the Unions wanted to bring down the government and Maggie T wouldn’t stand for it. Wish they’d do the same with the rail unions. Bit like Brexit. A few years of pain but a cheaper non profit public transport system to boost the economy.

 

[MDJ]

Isn’t that the same thing? Scargill of the Unions wanted to bring down the government and Maggie T wouldn’t stand for it. Wish they’d do the same with the rail unions. Bit like Brexit. A few years of pain but a cheaper non profit public transport system to boost the economy.

Tosh

 

[telectrix]

Isn’t that the same thing? Scargill of the Unions wanted to bring down the government and Maggie T wouldn’t stand for it. Wish they’d do the same with the rail unions. Bit like Brexit. A few years of pain but a cheaper non profit public transport system to boost the economy.

bring back the steam engine trains. re-open all the coal mines to feed their boilers, british engineering at it's best.

 

[MDJ]

saw the UK in half and push anyone north of Brum into the north pole, let them racially abuse the polar bears for being white and the walrusses for being Black.

 

[Des 56]

I am certainly not getting involved in the Maggie and Arthur item of this debate


QUOTE="stuarth, post: 1438499, member: 107800"]This is the problem atm with any discussion, if you don't agree with someone then you insult them, this is the second time
you have said that which is a shame because you started with something that looks like the start of a factual intelligent argument, I learnt my lesson not to allow silly comments into a discussion.
Looks to me as though you failed miserably with censoring of your own insults

The graph gives indication of why it was morally wrong for oldies to decide whats good for the younger ones

The over 45s did not take account of the impact of their wishes on the overwhelming majority of those that will be affected by the referendum,it is unforgivable in my estimation.

Please explain why everyone over 45 who voted out should be ashamed? and why everyone over 45 who voted in should not be ashamed?
Its why I reiterate that the over 45s should be ashamed of what they did,we should never have had the opportunity to do so
The vote will have had little relevance to anyone over 45
whether we are out or in

I reached my decision about leaving many years ago based on what I learnt from reading papers & listening to the radio as well as talking with others who disagreed and real life experiences observing the changes in our country and politicians. In the past 10-20 years the EU has become less democratic and more about grabbing power from sovereign states and bringing about a political ideology than looking after the best interests of the European population.
Little if anything will change much in the first 10 to 20 years of leaving thus the consequences do not have to be shouldered by the 45+ age group

Heres a quick fact for you " Michel Barnier says the EU needs a 'common foreign policy and common defence' - despite Nick Clegg warning that the idea of an EU army was a 'dangerous fantasy' " both men can be viewed making their comments here and here,
The vote was mainly on the state of the UK in the EU in its current form and specifically about control of immigration
The rights and wrongs of what may or may not mould the future EU was almost irrelevant to the discussion about the vote to leave I could start digging around and researching more actual facts to support my opinion that we as a nation would better out of the EU super state but I have many better things to do.

It was a poor decision made by a section of the population that to all intents and purposes,they condemned their children and the future of thos echildren to at best a very precarious future and at worst to greater poverty

It also be be ironic if the vote to exit results in the pensions of those who's wish was granted,that they become un-affordable to the now poverty stricken taxpayers
of Brexit + 20

 

[stuarth]

@des56 umm everything you have said in your post above as far as I can see is purely your opinion, which your entitled to but dose little to make a argument for remaining.

Heres a quick fact for you " Michel Barnier says the EU needs a 'common foreign policy and common defence' - despite Nick Clegg warning that the idea of an EU army was a 'dangerous fantasy' " both men can be viewed making their comments here and here,
The vote was mainly on the state of the UK in the EU in its current form and specifically about control of immigration
The rights and wrongs of what may or may not mould the future EU was almost irrelevant to the discussion about the vote to leave I could start digging around and researching more actual facts to support my opinion that we as a nation would better out of the EU super state but I have many better things to do.

I explain why this is a factual thing and why it demonstrates the problems many people have with the EU. Its a fact that the EU representative says they want a EU military (see video link) Mr Cleg stated that it was a totally "fantasy" that there were plans for a EU military, again check out the video link, the point being that many people all over the EU do not want closer political union they are quite happy to be trading partners and have many other agreements that benefit each other.

you have said that which is a shame because you started with something that looks like the start of a factual intelligent argument, I learnt my lesson not to allow silly comments into a discussion.
Looks to me as though you failed miserably with censoring of your own insults

Sorry you lost me here, I acknowledge that "maybe" my words had previously not been helpful to a sensible debate.

Please give me good arguments of why we should have stayed in the EU, give me facts of why it would have been better. Don't give me your opinion because your entitled to that and I can not argue against it, don't blame generations of the population for having an opinion and being arsed to go and vote on it.

Saw this on twitter this morning and it summed up the way things are atm enjoy.

 

[andyb]

Please give me good arguments of why we should have stayed in the EU, give me facts of why it would have been better. Don't give me your opinion because your entitled to that and I can not argue against it, don't blame generations of the population for having an opinion and being arsed to go and vote on it.

Saw this on twitter this morning and it summed up the way things are atm enjoy.

I'll give you a fact, not my opinion.
Things would of stayed as they were.
There you go.

Now can you give me any facts as to how we will be better off when we leave please?

Oh and by the way, I found your cartoon quite offensive.

 

[markythesparky]

You can set a pole up within a thread so members can tick the appropriate box, think that may have suited your inquiry better.

I didn’t know I could do that but to be honest, it wouldn’t have been as much fun would it.