What PIR do you give appliances with no Isolation switches

[230volt]

Hi guys,

Just curious to see what P.I.R code other people would give kitchen appliances with inaccessible plugs that have no means of isolation.

I came across a cooker, dishwasher, washing machine and bathroom extractor fan yesterday and C2'd it.

I notice on the electrical safety first website that they say 'fixed equipment' should have a means of switching.

 

[Pete999]

I take it you mean an EICR code?

 

[telectrix]

the plug and socket are a means of isolation. poor accessibility would warrant a C3 at worst.

 

[hightower]

I notice on the electrical safety first website that they say 'fixed equipment' should have a means of switching.

If it's got a plug on it, then it isn't fixed equipment - it's portable.

 

[telectrix]

If it's got a plug on it, then it isn't fixed equipment - it's portable.

good point. just off to the kitchen to pick up and carry the "portable" washing machine. :freak:

 

[gazdkw82]

If it's got a plug on it but is firmly screwed into 1 position would they be classed as fixed? I understand it can be unplugged but it can't be moved without unscrewing it out of position? Just a thought

 

[telectrix]

but who wants to screw a dishwasher?

 

[Andy78]

but who wants to screw a dishwasher?

Depends how nicely she asks........

 

[Flanders]

If it's got a plug on it, then it isn't fixed equipment - it's portable.

I think you would identify it as stationery equipment , as for coding in the ops case I would go for a code 3 and identify in the limitations that you could not inspect this part of the installation.

 

[230volt]

I think you would identify it as stationery equipment , as for coding in the ops case I would go for a code 3 and identify in the limitations that you could not inspect this part of the installation.

C3 even if plug tops are not accessible without pulling out the washing machine?

What about no fan isolator switch? C3 also you reckon?

 

[hightower]

Ok, to play devils advocate - let's say there's an outlet on a wall behind a wall mounted TV. The mounting bracket is mounted in such a way that it's impossible to isolate without first removing the TV, and this particular bracket requires a tool (no, I'm not the tool!) to remove the TV. Would you mark that as a C3 for poor isolation too?

 

[Andy78]

C3 even if plug tops are not accessible without pulling out the washing machine?

What about no fan isolator switch? C3 also you reckon?

You should be supporting your observations with reference to specific regulations that are being breached, and your codes should reflect the clearly defined meaning of those codes.

 

[HandySparks]

I suppose that the question is "How does this feature reduce the SAFETY of the installation?".

Ultimately, if things are going seriously wrong with the appliance, you can switch off at the board providing that it's not in a locked cupboard.

 

[230volt]

I suppose that the question is "How does this feature reduce the SAFETY of the installation?".

Ultimately, if things are going seriously wrong with the appliance, you can switch off at the board providing that it's not in a locked cupboard.

When I phoned Elecsa technical a while back. He said you can do away with fused Spurs if the appliance socket is accessible (i.e in a local cupboard next to it)

But maybe this is more advised in a new installation?

 

[andyb]

I take it you mean an EICR code?

You need to get yourself a hobby Pete. :smiley2::smiley2:

 

[Pete999]

You need to get yourself a hobby Pete. :smiley2::smiley2:

I got one, making sarky comments on this forum lol

 

[Pete999]

If it's got a plug on it, then it isn't fixed equipment - it's portable.

Shouldn't that be TRANSportable

 

[telectrix]

I got one, making sarky comments on this forum lol

sarky as well as pedantic. is that what's known as multi-skilled?

 

[hightower]

I think I'm right in the word I used - if you google "define portable appliance" most definitions come back something along the lines of "an appliance that is plugged in that CAN be moved". I've yet to find anything that says it is limited to things that can only be moved easily.

 

[telectrix]

I think I'm right in the word I used - if you google "define portable appliance" most definitions come back something along the lines of "an appliance that is plugged in that CAN be moved". I've yet to find anything that says it is limited to things that can only be moved easily.

careful. you'll be getting as pedantic as pete next. :tt1: