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Who are you with?

  • NICEIC (DI)

    Votes: 136 11.6%
  • NICEIC (AC)

    Votes: 228 19.4%
  • NAPIT

    Votes: 123 10.5%
  • ELECSA

    Votes: 110 9.4%
  • STROMA

    Votes: 78 6.6%
  • None

    Votes: 486 41.3%
  • ECA

    Votes: 49 4.2%
  • BSI

    Votes: 7 0.6%
  • Benchmark

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Select

    Votes: 20 1.7%

  • Total voters
    1,176

telectrix

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i'm stuck with this old worn out body that i've has for nearly 70 years. it was OK for a good few years, but like all tools, wear and tear takes it's toll. first the back and knees, then everything else going down the pan. can't even manage 100 press-ups without a fag and beer break these days.
 

Leesparkykent

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I'm NICEIC (AC) and also ECA, there isn't an option for ECA though. Also there is no options for BSI or Benchmark.
 

7029 dave

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I can't really vote, because not at it anymore, BUT if metering was no more and had to go back to it. Probably nobody.
 

Spoon

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From your thread HHD, not many people are registered, unless they just can't be arsed to vote :)
Considering there are just over 57 thousand registered members you would have thought that threads like this one would have more results. Maybe most people just can't be arsed voting....
 
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LankyWill

wheres 'bodgit and scarper'? their should be a few registered to that brigade
 

Taylortwocities

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I hit none. Mostly retired now, but was with NAPIT. Would still be with them if they had kept their "Just 8" scheme and Part P hadn't been so diluted.
Still doing a bit, but avoid large notifiable stuff. I know the local LABC guys and they'll accept a cert from me anyway.:wink:
 
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Slowhand

I'm with Stroma, they tend to want to uphold rules and regulations rather than create them.
Niceic is not a governing body despite what they would have the world believe.
 

sam400

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Someone asked me if I was registered with checkatrade the other day, when I said no I don't advertise they said it isn't advertising it's too prove you have been checked out.
When I said I am on the competent persons register and I am inspected annually by the Niceic they just looked at me blank! Lol
 

darkwood

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This is the big problem, the Electrical industry is baffling even to us so when the customer is bombarded with advice from several bodies and websites trying to ensure you use there services then this what happens, I was asked if I was part P once to work in a factory on the machinery, I chuckled and explained, we need 1 non profit body to look over everyone like it used to be with the NICEIC before it turned into a profit based scheme provider.
 
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Slowhand

I had a Stroma assessment a couple of weeks ago.
The guy who did the assessment was from an independent company.
He told me NICIEC were trying to take over NAPPIT at the moment.
He also told me NICIEC don't pay tax as they are a registered charity.
 
This is the big problem, the Electrical industry is baffling even to us so when the customer is bombarded with advice from several bodies and websites trying to ensure you use there services then this what happens, I was asked if I was part P once to work in a factory on the machinery, I chuckled and explained, we need 1 non profit body to look over everyone like it used to be with the NICEIC before it turned into a profit based scheme provider.
With "Which? Trusted Traders" jumping on the bandwagon - claiming to represent "the best" - when they actually represent only anyone who will pay them money, and relying on the public (mis)perception that they are an independent champion of the people - it's a bit like them saying: "pay-up or we'll break yer legs!!!"
Parasites - the lot of them!
 
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Addlight

With NICEIC (d) since starting, but seriously thinking of switching to Stroma for the next year. I would have done it this year but the assessment crept up on me - again - so I'm with it for another year. Reason to move is partly to save a couple of £'00 a year, but also p*****d off the unnecessary marketing to its members - which they charge us for. And don't get me started on the prices in their online 'shop' ...
 

keniff

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i was with elecsa but I'm looking to join stroma now as have heard good things, anybody with them now had good experiences with them?
 
I'm with none. Never have been. Part P happened shortly after I spent thousands on training courses to get qualified. Really P*ssed me off! However, LBC are happy with my certs so who needs it? Got more work than I need and don't need a sticker for my van :)
 

overskilled

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None, never was and won't be now as I jacked it in, in 2014 to look after the wife (and partly as there were too many contractors looking for too little work and it was a rapid race to the bottom, spent more time quoting fruitlessly and dealing with dingbats wanting everything yesterday for free than working)

Last 2 months though the house phone has been ringing every other day / everyday (try getting people to delist your number...near blooming impossible) with someone chasing a sparky. Seems more than a few have went back on the books, some others have got rumbled and probably work that was getting put off now needs done, not to mention landlords wanting to get stuff sorted for sale/tenant changeovers.

Will I go back to it...tempted but...going back to it, means grief from DWP (in terms of form filling for Carers Allowance) and a load of paperwork I don't want to get back into, not to mention chasing payments / muppets wanting to haggle the price down on completion / Public Sector parasites who consider any business "crooked" etc.

Methinks I'll stay as a carer...unless the phone starts ringing every other minute...then I might pick up the tools again...
 

HandySparks

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i was with elecsa but I'm looking to join stroma now as have heard good things, anybody with them now had good experiences with them?
Changed from Elecsa to Stroma at end of last year. No problems.

Just applied to renew. I've only done about 10 notifiable jobs in the last year. It's only just worth staying registered since they reduced the scope of notifiable work.
 
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Hickmanb1

I still refuse to join a governing body. In my opinion it proves little to nothing about the quality and consistency of your work, they just want your money.
Too many so called tradesmen have got the badge on the van but are barely electricians. I let my work do the talking.
 
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Wyatthaplo

None now im mainly a security engineer now and current company dont have any electrical registration.
 
Was with NIC for years, jacked it in a couple years back, now just applied with Stroma and waiting for my assessment.
 
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BernardStaunton

I voted none, mainly because I have been living and working in Spain for the last 14 years and probably should not even be on this forum.
Very few of those bodies ring any bells with me so I assume that they have appeared during those 14 years.
Do enjoy keeping up with things back there though while working with very different installations down here.
 
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Robospark

I spend half my time putting right "registered sparks" work. I carry out commercial work and was registered with the NICEIC for ten years. On the commercial side I have never been asked for "who am I with" NEVER!
They want to see C&G certs, insurances, access equipment cards and all the H&S stuff. To be frank I was sick of paying for that corruptible gravy train. You know! they show the inspector the only three jobs they have got anywhere near right and hide the bodging rest.
 
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Adam W

I'm with the JIB.
I've purposefully stayed away from the kind of work where you have to pay £500 or so every year for the privilege of explaining to people what you've paid for only for them to tell you you should have bought something they've heard of instead.

Doing commercial & industrial work I've only every had one idiot insinuate I should be registered with the NICEIC, and that was more a case of him saying he couldn't actually do what he was telling me I was doing wrong because he wasn't registered with them. He was one of these middle aged office types who decided to take a step down to a "menial" job in his later years by putting on a builders' costume and calling himself one.
 
I voted none, mainly because I have been living and working in Spain for the last 14 years and probably should not even be on this forum.
Very few of those bodies ring any bells with me so I assume that they have appeared during those 14 years.
Do enjoy keeping up with things back there though while working with very different installations down here.
Hey, hows it going in Spain? Just got back from a weeks holiday in Benidorm last week :)
I noticed on the news that the weather has been really really hot there today!
 
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chydrema

Was niceic, but now also gas safe as ended up working on gas and electric supplies to domestic and commercial
 

rolyberkin

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Just signed up with Stroma and waiting for assessment, reason, price was a major consideration but also as the customer service rep I have been dealing with was massively helpful. It is clear from my dealings so far that they don't accept anyone and have been quite on the ball in getting everything that they legally should from me. Lets see how it goes as this is my first scheme membership.
 
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Caboose

I went with none, I generally just deal with the council on any notifiable works
 
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LYNBARN

I am not a member of any of the above but I am member of the IET, nothing flash just a basic membership I took this out while I was working at the college, I am also a member of the Unite Union as well.
 
Stroma, having moved from Elecsa after they got assimilated into the borg.
Ditto me too.
Though I`ve been with ELECSA from inception of Part P and have absolutely no complaints about the assessors or office staff. All brill folks there I would recommend to anyone. I was not pleased they jumped into bed with NICEIC but that`s not the reason I left. It was price that`s all.

When Part P was laid before parliament MPs were told it would enhance safety and cost each electrical entity about £500 per 5 years. Yer right!
 
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Kalmo

I'm not a member of any at the moment, looking to join 1 soon though. Think its between stroma and nic but noone seems to recognise stroma and always ask for nic, so it doesnt look like i have much choice.
 
Very true Midwest.
Hopefully more will vote this time as it would be interesting to get a good picture of who is with who.
I'm not a member with any electrical body as I'm a subcontractor through agencies , also haven't yet gained my 2394/95. Cheers
 
None, because I think the English system of registering Electricians id seriously flawed. I became a spakry back in Australia, where the standard of training esxceeds that of the UK. Further each electrician in LICENSED with the electricity and gas regulator. I was an 'A' grade electrician there. I sat additional training after my apprenticeship concluded to reach that. I further went on the become a Registered Electrical Contractor (R.E.C.), the only way an electrician can work for himself.

All I hear in the UK is cowboy this and cowboy that. You want to stamp them out then the Aussie approach is the only way.

The organisations you mention above are quite frankly a waste of time and money, Sure we have those in Australia too, but they are support bodied, offering assistance in running your business, not trying to be regulatory bodies.

Sorry if this winds up the UK locals, but its a fact. And for your information, there are no cowboy sparkies in Australia. They are all weeded out, any licenses they hold are revoked, and some even face prison time.
 
Hi Folks,
I said no as I live and work self employed sparkie in NZ. Not a member in NZ either. Was once upon atime, but experience has proved that Board Members are only there in a bid to feather their own nest.
 
I am actually registered with OFTec but the scheme is inspected by NAPIT and therefore I am on their register.
 
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adpierce

Well guys and girls, let's see who you are registered with.
I understand the need/desire for trade accreditation/membership but most if not all of these organisations are parasitic with fancy offices filled with people drinking coffee all day paid for by the likes of us.
UKAS are the Governments appointed body for accreditation and they would certify, for example Certsure (NICEIC/ELECSA) and this would be to the ISO/IEC 17000 series of standards.
I don't know why there can't be a single non profit making organisation for electrical trades with a single (albeit still subjective) standard.
 
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fall-apart-dave

STROMA. Or was. I took a job instead of going ahead with setting up solo as a sparky.
 
I have just voted none, never have been , have held a JIB approved card for over 30 years now and do mostly commercial / light industrial work on a sub contract basis , if I do any domestic I stick to small non notafiable work.
 
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sparkle85

I've only just qualified so haven't decided on a body yet - but I'm sure this thread will help with my decision ;)
 

Tex

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I do little bits of data work for a NICEIC contractor but voted None for myself. I got out of the trade when ISO9000 paperwork took up most of my week, after being with the GPO/Post Office Telephones/British Telecom/BT for 30 years and trained thoroughly on everything from a bulb to a lift, gas, water and hydraulics, and DC millivolts to 11Kv HV. Now I'm not allowed to install a s/o at home. The world's gone mad. Having a pocket full of tickets and being registered with the Hawks is all fine but who are you leaving on site while you price that other job?
 

Sintra

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Ok you should all now be able to vote on more than one selection.
 
Its a None vote for me, as an industrial electrician I don't need any of them. Basically a cowboy wouldn't last a day in industry, and any electrical work I do at home, just need an installation certificate sent to my councils building department where they keep it on file together with the copy of my certificate that they asked for.
 

Taylortwocities

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Now I'm not allowed to install a s/o at home.
Of course you can. You can do just about anything but install a new consumer unit or a whole new circuit, and a couple of items like work in the vanishingly small zones in a bathroom.

You could even do the more restricted tasks if you open a case with LABC. But there's a cost to that.

A most amusing thing to me were the threads on the IET forum site when (a much more rigorous) Part P was introduced more than a decade ago. There were a lot of life-time IET (IEE then) HND electronic engineers who found they couldn't legally do much electrical work in their own, or others, houses without getting the relavent City and Guilds Electrical Installation qualifictions and joining smashy and NICIECy. :D

The notification requirements have been very much diluted since then (not good, in my opinion).
 
Voted now, I am in the NICEIC was an AC and DI contractor, but now just DI, because of ill health and getting on a bit. To be frank and I know this might upset a few people, I am getting quite peed of with it all, when you find people who hold part P status obtained through, lets say bathroom and kitchen fitting are now changing CU's, rewiring houses etc. Its really mocking the sparks who have come up through proper apprenticeships and are fully trained, and they the bodies said the part P side of things would clear out the cowboy's how wrong can they be, so I am thinking none of the bodies are really there to protect our trade, anyway enough of my ranting's I am off to feed my horse now oops! I mean walk my dog. See yer all
 

gazdkw82

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it seems most of the voters here are already established and working....

i'm not sure what all the above governing bodies offer and how they vary but could someone offer some sort of breakdown for trainee's who will be looking more into this in the near future?
 
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bazastan

Well guys and girls, let's see who you are registered with.
You should maybe think about including SELECT in your poll since you have asked a scottish contractor which organisation he is with.
 
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