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Didn't want to do it, but finally I've come to the conclusion that I'm gonna have to get a PAT tester. A lot of my customers have been asking for PAT testing so I'm gonna have to get a tester and do the one day course (More money...)

Which one would you guys recommend?

I'm not going to be doing huge volumes 30-40 items max per customer

The choice is bewildering. Budget is not an issue but is spending £1000 on a tester a waste of time?

Your advice would be greatly appreciated.

Dave
 
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1) You can buy an adaptor for your MFT

2) I believe that if you are a competent electrician then you don't have to do the PAT course unless you think it will benefit you.

Happy to be corrected on the above points :)
 
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sparks1973

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1) You can buy an adaptor for your MFT

2) I believe that if you are a competent electrician then you don't have to do the PAT course unless you think it will benefit you.

Happy to be corrected on the above points :)
2 things here though guitarist...
1) how is the O/P going to tension the CPC to 25A with one of these?...and...
2) if work comes in from local authority/schools etc....he will need to PROVE competence by means of a recognised cert....
 
2 things here though guitarist...
1) how is the O/P going to tension the CPC to 25A with one of these?...and...
2) if work comes in from local authority/schools etc....he will need to PROVE competence by means of a recognised cert....
1) Personally, I don't touch PAT as I had enough of that when I worked in industry (using a suitable tester I might add). According to various websites, the adaptors "comply fully" with requirements for PAT. I was merely quoting them.
2) I consider myself far more competent as a time-served electrical engineer with over 20 years experience and an HNC, than some random guy off the street who has completed the 4day course. I do, of course, accept that people who don't have a clue (local authorities/schools etc) will want some cereal packet certificate to PROVE competency.

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I recently purchased one of these as had a couple of inquiries about PAT. Got my first job lined up next for it so will see how it goes.

Kewtech PATADAPTOR1: Convert 17th Edition - PAT Adaptor 1

That's the one :)
 
I agree that you should take the correct course, if nothing else it does prove competancy! I have added this as a side line to my business and as a result am currently working my way through 15000+ items! I'm getting there slowly but surely and like to say i do all the tests properly! 1973 brings up a valid point re the 25a test as it cant be done with the average MFT!

I bought a Seward Prime Test 350 advanced kit, it has everything you need - including the test and tag printer and the software which produces an excellent professional looking reports and a CD to give to customers! I went through PASS for the kit and their help was second to none! I have even gone back to them for more labels and they are really helpful! They had a stall at Elex and spent ages explaining the pros and cons for different testers to me, which others were reluctant to as all the wanted to do was scan/scam my details!
 
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I am like you I was forced into PAT ie the customers were asking can you put a couple of lights up replace a switch and do some PAT testing Sorry no can do I said as it is not economically viable for me but I can do your lights Dont bother was the reply so I bought the Kewtech KT71 bundle from our site sponsor and it was a very good deal plus everything came in a very good carry case the only thing missing was the adaptor for the laptop extension lead but I got one on ebay for £5 the other than that I paid for PAT and microwave labels and waited for the work to flood in but no chance now I get I wont bother with the PAT testing to I already have someone as I thought you electricians did not do it:veryangry2: So since November last year I have made £250 and spent £800 but thing is if I dont have it well thats another story

http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...ing-kits/kewtech-kt71-pro-kit-pat-tester-kit/
 
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david spinks

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hire one if your not doing them regularly. I did a one day course with plugtest limited, about £150.00. It's open book multiple choice exam, can't fail.
 
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sparks1973

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dont spend loads of money on a pat tester.....you will struggle to get it back for a start as you will be competeing with sticker happy clowns hiding under tables just passing everything without bothering to test it......its a bit like the drive-by EICR...but for portables/moveable/stationary/handheld...whatever....you could always take up the offer from the guild of pattesters.....he`s on ebay rite now touting for cash.....
 
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sparks1973

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look..;..i have an old seaward 2000 which is a bit of a brute to cart around (sometimes it feels like you need a cart for it)...but it does the job....i had an old robin PT90 for a while n all....the way i look at it is in the time it takes computer boy to set up all the leads n all that lot for his top of the range seaward or whatever....you will have already done quite a bit of stuff with the old faithfull....all these downloadable pat thingys are is a gimmic......lets face it pat testing is unskilled work...pat testers arn`t engineers and there aint much that can go wrong or requires much thought in it........so by turning up with the latest PC downloadable thing it all about self esteem.....like `wow, look at me with the bestest pat equipment`...yeah right!!....go away..your not an engineer...and the `guild of pat testers` aint really a guild either....i mean what do they do?....gather together at a round table or summat?....like planning crusades on the sparkys world?...lol...
 
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dont spend loads of money on a pat tester.....you will struggle to get it back for a start as you will be competeing with sticker happy clowns hiding under tables just passing everything without bothering to test it......its a bit like the drive-by EICR...but for portables/moveable/stationary/handheld...whatever....you could always take up the offer from the guild of pattesters.....he`s on ebay rite now touting for cash.....
Yep that was my thinking as well but I forgot to mention that I did not buy it to make money ?? you ask I bought as a loss leader it as they say in the supermarket industry. All I am looking for is it to pay for itself in the first 12 months and as I said I have made £250 from it with another £130 next week and I spent £50 last week to get it calibrated so the tester/company/labels/microwave tester/lead/plus I spent £190 on the C&G 2377 course (before it changed) for a total of £800 sounds a lot but because I do electrical repairs for letting agents and private landlords I thought why not get tooled up the right way so I have no regrets buying it in fact the Kewtech bundle with carry case was perfect for what i needed. Also forgot to mention that I got £250 of work on the premise of doing the pat testing but the letting agent talked her into getting their PAT guy so not complaining
 
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Yep that was my thinking as well but I forgot to mention that I did not buy it to make money ?? you ask I bought as a loss leader it as they say in the supermarket industry. All I am looking for is it to pay for itself in the first 12 months and as I said I have made £250 from it with another £130 next week and I spent £50 last week to get it calibrated so the tester/company/labels/microwave tester/lead/plus I spent £190 on the C&G 2377 course (before it changed) for a total of £800 sounds a lot but because I do electrical repairs for letting agents and private landlords I thought why not get tooled up the right way so I have no regrets buying it in fact the Kewtech bundle with carry case was perfect for what i needed. Also forgot to mention that I got £250 of work on the premise of doing the pat testing but the letting agent talked her into getting their PAT guy so not complaining
well no doubt that letting agent was getting a backhander from Mr patman...and i dont mean a belt either.....:90:
 
Whats wrong with having good gear? i hope your sarcastic remark isnt intended for me after saying i bought the kit with downloads! i also have an old seaward europa plus which gets used occassionally. Do you use crap drills and tools and drive around in a £100 van? Who said anything about being an engineer on here? Get off your high horse! I agreed with you re MFTs being used but as for the 'downloadable thingys' - are you still in the stone age and write your EICR's


look..;..i have an old seaward 2000 which is a bit of a brute to cart around (sometimes it feels like you need a cart for it)...but it does the job....i had an old robin PT90 for a while n all....the way i look at it is in the time it takes computer boy to set up all the leads n all that lot for his top of the range seaward or whatever....you will have already done quite a bit of stuff with the old faithfull....all these downloadable pat thingys are is a gimmic......lets face it pat testing is unskilled work...pat testers arn`t engineers and there aint much that can go wrong or requires much thought in it........so by turning up with the latest PC downloadable thing it all about self esteem.....like `wow, look at me with the bestest pat equipment`...yeah right!!....go away..your not an engineer...and the `guild of pat testers` aint really a guild either....i mean what do they do?....gather together at a round table or summat?....like planning crusades on the sparkys world?...lol...
 
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sparks1973

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Whats wrong with having good gear? i hope your sarcastic remark isnt intended for me after saying i bought the kit with downloads! i also have an old seaward europa plus which gets used occassionally. Do you use crap drills and tools and drive around in a £100 van? Who said anything about being an engineer on here? Get off your high horse! I agreed with you re MFTs being used but as for the 'downloadable thingys' - are you still in the stone age and write your EICR's
well i dont know what kit you bought now do i?....dont know about being on a `high horse` either...hell, i cant even ride a horse...lol....
 

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im looking at kewtech kt 76 . im all for being a 2012 ghost buster
 
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but why am i accused of having a go at someone when i didn`t?...i don`t know what pat tester anyone gets...they can buy what they want for all i care.........i just think that £1000 plus for a pat tester is a bit excessive..but its upto anyone who wants to spend that kind of cash on summat....
 

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each to their own sparky73.... what one wants, is what one shall try get or get... i personaly want a new kind and hope will last for years..

i dont want too spend more then 500 and hopefully il make this back o first job of 8 cafes..
 
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each to their own sparky73.... what one wants, is what one shall try get or get... i personaly want a new kind and hope will last for years..

i dont want too spend more then 500 and hopefully il make this back o first job of 8 cafes..
I agree with above horses for courses so because I do not want to do a lot of PAT testing but I know that I have to have that service for my business I opted got the KT71 bundle ie no batteries plus I have everything in one compact case but if you are doing a lot then you need to in my view get PCed up Also I dont think anybody is having a pop at anyone plus we are hopefully all big boys withe exception of Top Cat

Just to add I am not heavily promoting PAT testing yes I have added it to my sites but again I see it as an added service.
 

tony mc

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What to buy and how much to pay is always on your mind.

I know a couple of lads who have traded in unwanted test equipment and ended up with a good deal.

I have not seen this advertised before so I guess they do well with the trade in facillity.

It may be worth having a look and see what they can do for you if your budget is tight especially if you have old test gear in the cupboard!
http://www.tester.co.uk/test-equipment-trade-in
 
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And remember Trigger from Fools and Horses Look after your broom.......................................................................................

In other words abuse your test gear and you will constantly updating them I have had my 2 Fluke 70s for the past 22 years and I had a amp probe the same age until a clown of a customer dropped it
 
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In response to the original post, you don't "need" a PAT qualification (I do have them), and I do all the PAT testing for the entire county's Police Force and have NEVER been asked if I have a qualification, let alone to see it... There happy enough that I'm an electrician.
And I never wanted to PAT either, sort of had no choice, so I kept biding on testers on eBay until I got a Kewtech KT-71 cheap, had it calibrated, Bobs your uncle!
And I'm using "PAT" cause I like it! And I don't like "ISIATOEA". Oh man I've just realised that I've been around the Police to long, I'm starting to use acronyms way to much!!!
 
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The reason why I got C&G 2377 was because PAT testing companies were telling letting agents and landlords that if you did not have it then you could not do it an yes I am aware this is a lot of tosh but they sell themselves as the specialists plus they have been allowed to build the urban myths around PAT such as it is only portable equipment that needs testing and you must by law have it done every year yes tosh tosh tosh but such is the state of the industry that they appear to be dictating what goes on also because I had to get into it I was going to do it right or not do it at all plus letting agents and landlords said they wanted a copy of my PAT qualifications. So when it came to selecting a PAT tester I bought the one that suited my business ie not doing a lot of items not doing it every day so a asset based scanner unit and battery unit was out for me hence why I went for the KT71 bundle as it worked out well for cost and all in a good case because thats what you need as I see a lot of macho guys chuck their testers in the back of the van the same way they chuck their tools in then they wonder why its broken after 3 years. When I bought my MFT I thought spend the extra £60 and get the bluetooth function what a waste of time and money that was for me so lesson learned buy what you need and if your business gets bigger then trade in for not something that is better but something that suits.
 
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kt71 i bought last night , i predict no1 pat tester in northern ireland in 5 years time..


whats your views on this model , im going to make up my own leads
 
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As I said I bought the KT71 bundle and I am very happy as for making leads up most of them came in the bundle only thing that did not come with it was the adaptor to test the new type laptop lead but got one from fleabay for £4 . Also adapted the PAT docs in word format and save them to PDF then email them so if you want a copy pm me your company name and email.

Also forgot to add to you get a microwave tester ? as I got one to add to this service and include it in the service I provide and so far I am on track for it to pay for itself in its first year
 
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kt71 i bought last night , i predict no1 pat tester in northern ireland in 5 years time..


whats your views on this model , im going to make up my own leads
KT71 will do what you want it to do Trevor....you will need to make up 3 phase commandos ..16A and 32A for testing....well... 3 phase current using equipment.....you will need 2 of each....one in delta..the other in star...
 
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