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As above really.

Let us know who you use to notify your installations and give us a little explanation why.

Please keep to the topic.
 
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kung

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Hi Jason
Not yet registered but will get assessed soon will prob go with the NIC mainly as most people/customers know who they are and have most dvds/books they do so might look a bit bad if got elecsa/napit assessed etc.
 
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sparkystevo

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hi jason,

i am with the niceic, my reasoning on this is that if you have to be with an organisation you may as well be with the one the general public is aware of. saying that i know of three local sparkys who have recently changed to elecsa am keeping an eye on the situation.

stevo
 
just registered with niceic.
only reaon is that this is the name 99.9% of customers are familiar with :eek:
if the other schemes raise their public profile i wouldnt have a problem with elecsa or napit as they both seem very popular ;)
 
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j_mccl

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I am registered with Elecsa, never been registred with anyone else because i have only been self employed for 4 years. i have found them to be very helpfull with the assessment procedure, easy to notify jobs with and have a good technical hep department.
 
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hungy5

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my mate who used to be with Nic then went over to Napit.....soon later he then went back to NIC. due to Insurance issue, he was said alot of insurance company doesn't want to know Napit, but you with Nic then it's easy. Even thought Nic is much more expensive.!!!!......well hope it help....!!!
 
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Modernelectric

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I have been looking into this and corgi and elecsa have similar prices... i would choose one of those over the others. At the end of the day all i need to be is part p compliant so i dont really fancy spending a fortune in the process, and i gather NIC are rather expensive.
 
I have been looking into this and corgi and elecsa have similar prices... i would choose one of those over the others. At the end of the day all i need to be is part p compliant so i dont really fancy spending a fortune in the process, and i gather NIC are rather expensive.
all the schemes prices are comparable unless you want to include periodics then nic are out of touch:eek:
i based my choice on asking people with no knowledge of the electrical industry but had only ever heard of niceic and that is why they look for niceic when looking for a spark ;)
 

Mr.Si

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I'm not registered yet, but when I do, I'll go with the ECA. I have heard it from others that the NICEIC look after the customer and not the electrician. Whereas, the ECA look after the electrician and are helpful to them. That was enough to make my mind up. I'm only just nearing the end of my Level 2 at the moment, (Unit 3&4 assessment is 9 days away).
 
I'm not registered yet, but when I do, I'll go with the ECA. I have heard it from others that the NICEIC look after the customer and not the electrician. Whereas, the ECA look after the electrician and are helpful to them. That was enough to make my mind up. I'm only just nearing the end of my Level 2 at the moment, (Unit 3&4 assessment is 9 days away).
ive heard the same mr.si but i would rather have my phone ringing with customers who want an niceic registered spark than a helpline that is easier to use ;)
 
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harvey

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Hi Guts do any of you know much to register with niceic is per year and their inspections charges are thanks
 
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kung

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Hi Harvey
Think its about £450 inc VAT all in best to give them a quick call for price but £450 wont be far wrong.
Regards
Kung.
 
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MTI

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Hi all! newbie here! thanks for my warm welcome so far!

firstly, i dont mean to steal this post but im really interested in this discussion and is one of my top resaons for joining a forum in the first place. by the way, i didnt choose this forum just to join in, in this post! i chose the best :)

basically im a sole trader and have been a spark for about 12 yrs but only self employed for appox 4rs. 3yrs of this has been subcontracting to firms and agencies etc but i am know trading purely on my own clients. i have been helping a mate/competetor on his contracts recently and he has been able to sign off my work too. its now obviously got to the stage where i need to be part p registered etc myself for obvious reasons or its pointless trading.

i would really appreciate any advice or comments on this process and advice on which body to choose? have had a natter with nic and may opt that route, although my mate is elecsa and is over the moon with their service? anyone else?

i do have some more q's to ask but im a newbie and appreciate this is not my thread! again, hi to all and hi to harvey!
 
I used to be niceic years ago.
Now I'm with NAPIT, a real pleasure compared to the "new niceic"
 
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acat

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Not registered yet but going with NICEIC seems to be the best known and Im told you cant get any work from the council without it?

Chris
 
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ron55

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Looking to register just now after decades out of the business. I am probably going to go with NAPIT because they appear to cater for industrial as well as domestic. I could be wrong and welcome any input.

Cheers, Ron
 
Ron55,
if you've gone through apprentice training and worked hard all your life in the electrical feild,
kept up with changing regs etc, it really doesn't feel good to be told that you can't do pir's unless you pay more monies by people sitting in chairs all day !!! you can't go wrong with NAPIT. I haven't found any prejudice with councils or other organisations, and if you did, NAPIT actually sort it out.
There is one criteria they insist on, and that's the 2391. As an experienced sparky, it's not really a problem, and NAPIT do give a window of a year to gain it. ( assesors are old sparks and know what they're looking for)
Good luck with who ever you choose....Regards, Kev
 
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Andy Smith

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Not registered to anyone as i am a maintenace manager in a factory. But guess i would proably go with NIC if i wanted to hear the phone ring. But have to say i like schemes that look after thier tradesman like you gentlemen! :rolleyes:
 

albi

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niceic fully approved carnet see the point of domestic installer to get charged for add-on’s to do my work. and thay are better know with the gen public
 
niceic fully approved carnet see the point of domestic installer to get charged for add-on’s to do my work. and thay are better know with the gen public
hi albi,
can you notify domestic works as an approved contractor?? thought they were 2 totally different schemes, domestic and industrial :confused:
 
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mags1972

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Hi
I was registered with the NICEIC purely because they were known for being the most well known and hence the best regarded, alledgedly.
My problems with them are simply that they seem to be interested in purely making money from us Electrical contractors. When I went self employed 4 years ago I made the mistake as registering under my name, 3 months after succesfully regsitering I started advertising under my now company name and received a letter off the NICEIC stating I was in breach as I was not registered under my company name even though I am the sole trader. Taking this slap on the wrist I then rang to change my details only to be told that I had to do so in writing and pay a fee of £95 +VAT.
a couple of years ago I let my registration with them lapse and went working for another Electrician full time.
Unfortunately this didn't work out and I again went self employed registering with the NICEIC again, they took my £440 straight away and then took 3 and a half months to get me registered after I had been assesed, lo and behold 12 months after they had took my first £440 they came in and wanted a renewel fee, I pointed out that I had only had 8 and a half months registration and they basically said tough, thats how we work at which point I told them where to go, rang up ELECSA and explained to them, they were brilliant, transferred me to their scheme and I have no complaints at all about them.
One further thing, I still received invoices for my renewel for the NICEIC up to 6 months after leaving after repeated phone calls on my behalf informing them that I had left.
Sorry for the WAR & PEACE essay :) but I have a bad opininion of the NICEIC like alot of sparks and the sooner more is done to notify people of the other governing bodies the better!!
 
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malcbriggs

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I'm registered with ELECSA,this is my second year with them, but I still can't understand why you need to register, after completing a full Electrical apprentiship(5 years), JIB approved, countless certificates in Electrical, Electronic Engineering, plus a degree in Electronics. Since I left the Electronics industry and set up my own Electrical/Electronics business, but still need Part P!
 
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sparkswillfly

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since part p was introduced it has made no difference to the cowboys trading as there is no real policing.it only has had an effect on the sparks with a conscions (to the tune of £500 a year) sorry for any spelling errors.
 
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ashrow

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I was with elecsa since the introduction of part p( i had been running my own business since i was 21), after a messy divorce and working for some one else for a year i have just started up again.
I will not reregister with elecsa or anyone of them.
I certificate all my work and inform my local building authority (they have enough of my previous certs (when i was registered) and they except them).
Its all a rip off. we need one body to govern us all, not to make money for the various different bodies.
Any really poor standard sparks in my area are with napit (my god, the certificates issued that i have seen are not worth the paper.

Ash
 
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iceman

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hello guys i took the nic route as domestic installer only reason is cos there the most well known and look good on me advertising as i realy need more phone call inquires lol im lookin at goin approved next year as i'll probley be doin commercial stuff and pir reports
 

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I was with elecsa since the introduction of part p( i had been running my own business since i was 21), after a messy divorce and working for some one else for a year i have just started up again.
I will not reregister with elecsa or anyone of them.
I certificate all my work and inform my local building authority (they have enough of my previous certs (when i was registered) and they except them).
Its all a rip off. we need one body to govern us all, not to make money for the various different bodies.
Any really poor standard sparks in my area are with napit (my god, the certificates issued that i have seen are not worth the paper.

Ash
Don't get your ass bitten
 
I was with elecsa since the introduction of part p( i had been running my own business since i was 21), after a messy divorce and working for some one else for a year i have just started up again.
I will not reregister with elecsa or anyone of them.
I certificate all my work and inform my local building authority (they have enough of my previous certs (when i was registered) and they except them).
Its all a rip off. we need one body to govern us all, not to make money for the various different bodies.
Any really poor standard sparks in my area are with napit (my god, the certificates issued that i have seen are not worth the paper.

Ash
so does that mean none of your jobs get issued with a building notice :confused:
 
Good morning flukey, you do get the feeling someone is going to get bitten hard by this short sightedness
good morning to you too sparks.
it surprises me the cavalier attitude towards registration. none of us like it and if i could get away with it i certainly wouldnt pay it either, however i want to operate within the law ;)
i must say when i mention the 6 year guarantee my work is covered by through the nic that is normally enough for me to win the job so there are some good points to it as well:rolleyes:
 
i know what part p is for and why but what im unsure on is why there is such a split beetween people who have it and people who say its a waste of money
im employed by a jib/nic company so they are part p reg however i am not in my own right
im in the process of converting my garage into a dining room and was concered about getting the part p cirt
the building inspector told me to issue generic cirts for the work i will do (new cu and 2 new circs) and he will sign it off
i have paid a fee to them for the whole job
my question being if a notifyable job is being done and a fee being paid and he will sign my work off will they not do this for all non p sparks or am i just lucky

im just asking because i dont know i know people are passionate on this subject and i dont want a row:D
 

sparks1234

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i know what part p is for and why but what im unsure on is why there is such a split beetween people who have it and people who say its a waste of money
im employed by a jib/nic company so they are part p reg however i am not in my own right
im in the process of converting my garage into a dining room and was concered about getting the part p cirt
the building inspector told me to issue generic cirts for the work i will do (new cu and 2 new circs) and he will sign it off
i have paid a fee to them for the whole job
my question being if a notifyable job is being done and a fee being paid and he will sign my work off will they not do this for all non p sparks or am i just lucky

im just asking because i dont know i know people are passionate on this subject and i dont want a row:D

Thats the point, you either register with as a self cert company or you have the works signed off by your building inspectors dept, what they are doing is inspecting your work, taking your fee and then taking responsibility for it and also registering the job
 
i know what part p is for and why but what im unsure on is why there is such a split beetween people who have it and people who say its a waste of money
im employed by a jib/nic company so they are part p reg however i am not in my own right
im in the process of converting my garage into a dining room and was concered about getting the part p cirt
the building inspector told me to issue generic cirts for the work i will do (new cu and 2 new circs) and he will sign it off
i have paid a fee to them for the whole job
my question being if a notifyable job is being done and a fee being paid and he will sign my work off will they not do this for all non p sparks or am i just lucky

im just asking because i dont know i know people are passionate on this subject and i dont want a row:D
it depends on how much work you do. normally it costs between £50 and £200 to go labc route and thats for every job:eek: some need 24/48 hours notice before work can start work as well
whereas it costs me £1.50 to notify and £1.50 to provide 6 year guarantee through nic and i can start work whenever i feel like it ;)
 
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accable

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To register with the NICEIC on the Domestic Installer Scheme currently ( July 09) is £370 +VAT a year, that includes the visit and all the technical support.
 
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ashrow

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Thanks for your repies Spark1234 and Flukey, i know im skating on thin ice! all the recent works since starting up again are all building control inspected works ie extentions, new builds and the inspectors check 1st and 2nd fix and issue all paperwork to clients for builders works and mine on completion.
Regarding works not under building control but under part p, i have not got to that situation yet,but i am aware that notification is required and there is NO way round this, you either pay the LBA per job or register with a part p approved body.
I am not a cowboy/fly by night sparky but just trying get my feet back on the ground. if i cant find away around having to register again then niceic it is. ( best known name in the game ).
 
Thanks for your repies Spark1234 and Flukey, i know im skating on thin ice! all the recent works since starting up again are all building control inspected works ie extentions, new builds and the inspectors check 1st and 2nd fix and issue all paperwork to clients for builders works and mine on completion.
Regarding works not under building control but under part p, i have not got to that situation yet,but i am aware that notification is required and there is NO way round this, you either pay the LBA per job or register with a part p approved body.
I am not a cowboy/fly by night sparky but just trying get my feet back on the ground. if i cant find away around having to register again then niceic it is. ( best known name in the game ).
best of luck ash. the annual fee is just another stealth tax we all have to bear and something most sparks disagree with :mad:
 
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Rulin

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Hi all

Im registered with the ECA for Commercial and Industrial work and ELECSA for Domestic Installations ,


 
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mags1972

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Hi all,

I was talking to a Gas fitter the other day and he told me their annual fee for the "Gas Safe Register", corgi to most of us was around £250 so can anyone tell me why ours is in excess of £400, my last one just paid was £414 with ELECSA!!! Just seems that we are getting ripped off, it surely cannot cost that much!
 
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sparkytel

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Hi Everyone,

Love this forum and this thread is particularly of interest to me as NICEIC are our biggest client - we make their DVD's for them! (apologies if we've sent you to sleep)

I'm very aware of the negative opinions about the NICEIC, many of which seem justified, I just wondered if there were any NICEIC registered sparks out there that can give positive feedback or stories of happy membership?

Cheers

Tel
 
I'm very aware of the negative opinions about the NICEIC, many of which seem justified, I just wondered if there were any NICEIC registered sparks out there that can give positive feedback or stories of happy membership?

Cheers

Tel
theres a 4 week gap between this post and the last , says it all really
 
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Roggi

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Ron55,
if you've gone through apprentice training and worked hard all your life in the electrical feild,
kept up with changing regs etc, it really doesn't feel good to be told that you can't do pir's unless you pay more monies by people sitting in chairs all day !!! you can't go wrong with NAPIT. I haven't found any prejudice with councils or other organisations, and if you did, NAPIT actually sort it out.
There is one criteria they insist on, and that's the 2391. As an experienced sparky, it's not really a problem, and NAPIT do give a window of a year to gain it. ( assesors are old sparks and know what they're looking for)
Good luck with who ever you choose....Regards, Kev
Please tell me if im wrong but how I understand is that to do Periodic Inspection Reports you need to be competent and it does not come under Part P. Its a report not a certificate so based on the readings and compared to design criteria this is what should be submitted to the Client person ordering the works.
So i see paying money to NICEIC OR ANY PART P scheme for PIRs is a con.
 
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sparkytel

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You are right Roggi.

I think you would only sign up to NICEIC or similar if you do PIRs and you knew being a member would get you more work.

Although you will need the professional indemnity insurance which I understand NICEIC can provide.

Regs

Tel
 

andyb

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theres a 4 week gap between this post and the last , says it all really
It says nothing really Pete, I joined the niceic domestic installer scheme in 2005 purely because of the law & part P.
Since then I’ve had no problem at all. They’ve done exactly what they say they will do, (which I suspect is the same for elecsa, nappit and the others)
They notify my work, inspect me annually and have a good help line, nothing more than I would expect.
Please tell me if im wrong but how I understand is that to do Periodic Inspection Reports you need to be competent and it does not come under Part P. Its a report not a certificate so based on the readings and compared to design criteria this is what should be submitted to the Client person ordering the works.
So i see paying money to NICEIC OR ANY PART P scheme for PIRs is a con.

You are right Roggi, it is a con.
Which is why I do not pay the niceic to do PIRs, I just do them and issue my own certificate.
 
Hi Everyone,

Love this forum and this thread is particularly of interest to me as NICEIC are our biggest client - we make their DVD's for them! (apologies if we've sent you to sleep)

I'm very aware of the negative opinions about the NICEIC, many of which seem justified, I just wondered if there were any NICEIC registered sparks out there that can give positive feedback or stories of happy membership?

Cheers

Tel
Nope!

(NICEIC fully aproved member for 8 years)
 
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jimmyjazz

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Registered with ELECSA, most of my work is domestic & in past 5 years have lost 1 job for not being NICEIC. Truth be told, no-one else has ever asked & whilst I advertise part 'P', no-one understands what it means. Same old, same old.
 
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Kirk Bacon

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I am registered with ELECSA as they were incredibly friendly and helpful when I was making my enquiries into joining a Part P scheme. The other main operation (not naming names etc) were at the other end of the scale, the fact that most of the public know their name has obviously over-inflated thier egos and they only seemed interested in taking my card details upon my first contact with them, and then became rather disinterested when I said I was a self-employed sole trader. More power to ELECSA (pardon the pun), totally on the side of the one-man operation and the new startup firms, and their website is a doddle to use and register your jobs. On top of that, their assessors are proper time-served sparkys who have earnt their stripes by getting their hands dirty, and do all they can to make your assessment as painless and stress-free as possible. Can't speak highly enough of this outfit, well done ELECSA!
 
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TPES

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I agree with you 100%,^^^^^^

I have recently registered with Elecsa too.. Very helpfull.
 
Hi,


On my future plans, I would like to work only with microgeneration products, and I have to chose now as I see between NAPIT and NICEIC (because I hope later I can do commercial works as well.)
But I'm not sure, which one would be better later.


If I registering with NAPIT, then I can do everything ( commercial, Industrial as well)
I just need to do this “Microgeneration Certification Scheme”.
And thats it, no more do this, do that...


If I chose NICEIC, then first I have to be domestic installer, after I can apply for PIR, and after this, after that, after blabla... Its too many steps.. And you must pay always.. Plus you most organize works, what they can view..
I could do this “Approved Contractor Scheme” but here are (again) so many things which are not clear... (their website is a piece of sh*t )
I opened my company half year ago (and I was self-employed before for 2 years)
I have the 17th edition and the 2391-10.


But to be an approved contractor they asking :
*1
-employing and supporting a Principal Duty Holder and Qualified Supervisor
(c) has had at least two consecutive years' managerial or
supervisory responsibility for the technical standard of
electrical installation work; and
(e) is conversant with the Electricity at Work Regulations*,
BS 7671*, associated guidance material* as prescribed by
NICEIC, appropriate British Standard* and other
Industry Codes of Practice*; and
*2
-Application assessment
(2) Every applicant shall produce to NICEIC's appointed
representative a list of all electrical work completed during
the previous six months and of all electrical work in
progress, and make available the specifications, drawings,
certificates and reports relating to that work.
*3
-The Field Engineer will normally select a minimum
of five samples of the range of electrical work
carried out to inspect for the assessment.


Questions:
-Can I'm the Qualified Supervisor with my qualifications ?
-what is if I didn't make any jobs with my company in the last 6 months,
because I'm employed by an another company ?
-the 5 sample must include domestic, commercial, and Industrial job as well ?
Possible to show them 1 job now, 2 another job 1 month later, and another two 3 month later ?


Waaa, and many-many more questions :S


But the only important is:
Is it big disadvantage to chose Napit, if I want to do domestic or industrial jobs ?
Can you show any example (advert, tender, anything) where is it written,
that they just accept the NICEIC certifications ?


Sooory, for my english, and for this “neverendingstory” :D


Best regards,
Tom
 
With ELCSA you can't make commercial and industrial inspection and testing. :S

I would prefer NAPIT, but It would be very annoying if I miss a job, just because I'm registered with different "company". And if you just lose one commercial or industrial job because this, then you lose much more then the difference is..
But the procedure with NICEIC is quite ridiculous (if I compare to anothers..)

So I'm still thinking about this, but next week I would like to start the procedure..
 
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Spudnik

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You dont have to be registered with anyone to carry out commercial or industrial work, however, this is dependant on the clients requirements.

If you are going with the NIC then you will need approval status as the domestic installer scheme does not cover commercial installs.
 
Hmm,

"You dont have to be registered with anyone to carry out commercial or industrial work, however, this is dependant on the clients requirements."

So, could I make right now a small industrial unit installation, and just fill the standard form (Appendix 6) ?

"If you are going with the NIC then you will need approval status as the domestic installer scheme does not cover commercial installs."

Yepp, this is my problem with NICEIC, this approval status looks impossible for a start up company..
If I start as domestic installer then I have to show them 2 of my works.. Then When I'm applying for PIR, I must show again.. Anf if later I can make the approval status, I have to show them another ?5?..
Plus money, money, money... grr..
 
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hotXbun

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In for a penny......... :) ................

I looked the various entities and my first impulse was to go to Mr Nice who stopped me in my tracks when I was told my qualification EAL modules 1-infinity was insufficient! I got in touch with my course tutor and armed with new regs returned to the nice bunch who regarded my application with great suspicion even though I pleaded that qualifications were sufficient!! Having been advised that Mr nice was not actually that nice, I changed track and have just joined up with Elecsa to whom I am determined to remain loyal :)

Anyway, I feel comfortable with Elecsa and they (and this forum) gives me sufficient confidence to know I can be of benefit.

I might add that the letters I received from the other bunch only reinforce my view that they are good at marketing .....
 
For me it was quiet important, that I could do everything in a future (PIR&Commercial&Industrial), so finally I chose NAPIT. And will see in a future, how big disadvantage is this. But later I could change easily to NIC, because I will have finished works, 1 year company history, etc.. (these things are difficult for a startup Co.) But I hope (KNOW!:)), it won't be neccessary..

Best regards,
T0M4
 
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hotXbun

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I guess the difference is really one of how much experience do you have. Me, I'm at the latter end of my youth; my experience is soured by experience; I am not put off by money grabbing aggressive approaches of the marketing guys, I'm still more inclined to favour the personal touch as portrayed by Elecsa. I quite like Napit but they a bit out of reach when it comes to what I want.

I learnt my electrics something like IEE 12/13th Edition.. in the 70's .. gave up due to being out of touch and I then decided to become competent again and I must say I quite like the new regime :)

When it comes down to it I think it doesn't really matter who you join up with, just go by personal taste. At the end of the day you will become experienced and worthy by which I mean your Clients will be your advert and your recommendation! These companies that we have to register with are not to be our masters so much as our servants in time of need & like all good servants you have to pay them to keep them handy:p
 
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kung

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Im with NICEIC just giving it a while trial and see how it pans out but at mo no problems and the NICEIC sticker does look good on the jetsons family car !
Regards
Kung.
 
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Mark2009

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For me it was quiet important, that I could do everything in a future (PIR&Commercial&Industrial), so finally I chose NAPIT. And will see in a future, how big disadvantage is this. But later I could change easily to NIC, because I will have finished works, 1 year company history, etc.. (these things are difficult for a startup Co.) But I hope (KNOW!:)), it won't be neccessary..

Best regards,
T0M4
Hi
I am with Napit and for me i can sign the red sheets for part p, commercial and industrial but we all know the state of the Country, i said to my wife if this does not work and the Country does not pick up after the next election then we will move to Canada, i spoke to the Embassy last year and its not difficult just meens another exam and you pay the Embassy and then set you up in small flat and find you a job. Lets just home this Government is gone very soon and the Irish say NO, NO, NO in 9 days.:D


Thanks

Mark
 
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jbec-john

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Every customer who has heard of a registration scheme (And there aren't many of those!), has asked me whether or not I'm "With that NIC EIC?"
It seems they're the only organisation people have actually heard of, so it was the logical choice for me.
 

cbw

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I know its been said, but I also found Elecsa the easiest and most aproachable to deal with.

The assesor puts you at ease, despite being thorough and the website is a doddle. (Even for me!)

CBW
 
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tigerstar

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I'm registered with the niceic approved contractor and im sick of none registered people i personal think its time that the industry as a whole had just one registration scheme such as the gas safe register none of my customer know what part P is and only a some know of the niceic our industry is a disgrace and why can you buy fuse boards and gas boilers from the likes of B&Q when your not supposed to be fitting them ??
 
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accable

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Hi All

The NICEIC has two schemes the Approved Contractor and the Domestic Installer.

The AC scheme has a registration fee of £430 + VAT. Once you are on the Roll its £370 + VAT for a half day visit, if you carry out a lot of work or do PIR's then there is a further half day visit at £290 + VAT. For the first year the £370 is based on the financial year so if you join half way through the year you only pay half.

The DIS has no registration fee. The fees are £370 + VAT. This is not based on the financial year but from the day you register to join.

The fees include the visit, there are no hidden charges.

The NICEIC are holding a series of Tech Talks all around the country, and will be at all ELEX Tool Fairs, you can register at these events and the fees are greatly reduced.
Regards

Tony
 
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TPES

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Things must be bad at the NICEIC if they feel they need to insinuate themselves onto forums such as this..........

Ha ha, with a username like AC CABLE and first name TONY, makes you think doesnt it?
 
I attended the Elex at the Ricoh. Rarely have I heard such total drivel from so many people in positions of "trust". It almost made me ashamed to call myself a spark. Many seem to be bolstering their "careers" within the schemes by avoiding the issues that we would all like to see addressed. My interest lies in what the "robots" WON`T say, and what they deny knowledge of..........
 

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Hi All

The NICEIC has two schemes the Approved Contractor and the Domestic Installer.

The AC scheme has a registration fee of £430 + VAT. Once you are on the Roll its £370 + VAT for a half day visit, if you carry out a lot of work or do PIR's then there is a further half day visit at £290 + VAT. For the first year the £370 is based on the financial year so if you join half way through the year you only pay half.

The DIS has no registration fee. The fees are £370 + VAT. This is not based on the financial year but from the day you register to join.

The fees include the visit, there are no hidden charges.

The NICEIC are holding a series of Tech Talks all around the country, and will be at all ELEX Tool Fairs, you can register at these events and the fees are greatly reduced.
Regards

Tony
If you are the Tony cable ,then you and your organisation share a lot of the responsibility for the demise and respect of traditional standards of competence for people who could be classed as electricians

You run a system that portrays itself as the guardian of electricial standards,but does,in fact promote unskilled personel doing works/PIRs etc that makes ridicule of the ignorance of the public and buisness world alike
When will your organisation have the decency and honesty to admit these facts and get rid of the criminal QS system?
 
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theleshollis

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Hi all,
Not posted much around here, but I dod find the forums useful. I'm registered with ELECSA who I have found to be very helpful and who made the assessment a better process than it could have been.
I met an NICEIC assessor in my previous employment and didn't like the approach at all. I've worked for ECA firms most of my working life, and ELECSA, being an offshoot of the ECA seemed an obvious choice when I went freelance.
 
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roukel01

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I'm with ELECSA, never had a problem with them. Same inspector for the past three years, he's great. Technical friendly and helpful. Website easy enough to use.
 
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spaldingsparks

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I am Registered with the NICEIC but had full accreditation before 2005 saw it coming and joined early, scary but ok in the end, as not that hard if your a normal honest spark who cares about your customers and doing it right.:) Domestic installer reg was automatic,( if already doing it) to existing members as we already tested our installations to BS7671
I am just pleased its cut out a lot of the cowboys, any one who does not join a scheme can only be viewed as not competent to do so by normal Electricians:p
 
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spaldingsparks

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Have been around for awhile and seen more bad workmanship by poorly regulated imitation sparks than most, I have noticed a marked improvement in works carried out since Part P. Far less Kitchen Fitters, Plumbers, Builders,chancers, etc not registered all able to install a light or socket or more and make it work, bad enough to cause injury and or death to their customers, some are still out there and are still doing it. any Decent spark who is fully qualified would be registered or notifying his work job by job with building Control the rest,well I havent changed my opinion they are still with the builders
The NICEIC are Good I joined them as a one man band the first time in the 80s left during recession in 91and joined again this century both times their engineers were very helpful throughout my assessments. Both times I had limited works to show them, the second time no Domestic works at all, but commercial workshop and offices with a small kitchen.
It should be said that the NICEIC were put under a lot of stress to accommodate a vast amount of new applicants over a very short space of time I think that they have and still are doing a good job for us as Sparks and for our industry and the public to. They are by far the number one with more registrations, also known by most people who still look for their Logo. We as a Company are very busy, touch wood, are you
or should you be NICEIC registered:)
 
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hotXbun

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Have been around for awhile and seen more bad workmanship by poorly regulated imitation sparks than most, I have noticed a marked improvement in works carried out since Part P. Far less Kitchen Fitters, Plumbers, Builders,chancers, etc not registered all able to install a light or socket or more and make it work, bad enough to cause injury and or death to their customers, some are still out there and are still doing it. any Decent spark who is fully qualified would be registered or notifying his work job by job with building Control the rest,well I havent changed my opinion they are still with the builders
The NICEIC are Good I joined them as a one man band the first time in the 80s left during recession in 91and joined again this century both times their engineers were very helpful throughout my assessments. Both times I had limited works to show them, the second time no Domestic works at all, but commercial workshop and offices with a small kitchen.
It should be said that the NICEIC were put under a lot of stress to accommodate a vast amount of new applicants over a very short space of time I think that they have and still are doing a good job for us as Sparks and for our industry and the public to. They are by far the number one with more registrations, also known by most people who still look for their Logo. We as a Company are very busy, touch wood, are you
or should you be NICEIC registered:)

Well, full marks on the marketing .... they trained you good .... (I would insert a smiley at this point but it only seems to convey wrong message - which is one of 'chuckle')

I joined Elecsa by recommendation and I don't see any reason to grumble.

One thing that did upset me was a recent email from Napit that suggested I might like to transfer to them ... the email was grammatically incorrect and the open policy of outright poaching was blatantly pure marketing .... I shall stick with my preferred organisation.

As stated before, I think it a total waste of space that we have 3 organisations grabbing our votes - Hmmm, seems a parallel with our politiceans . money grabbing :eek:!!
 
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spaldingsparks

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Well, full marks on the marketing .... they trained you good .... (I would insert a smiley at this point but it only seems to convey wrong message - which is one of 'chuckle')

I joined Elecsa by recommendation and I don't see any reason to grumble.

One thing that did upset me was a recent email from Napit that suggested I might like to transfer to them ... the email was grammatically incorrect and the open policy of outright poaching was blatantly pure marketing .... I shall stick with my preferred organisation.

As stated before, I think it a total waste of space that we have 3 organisations grabbing our votes - Hmmm, seems a parallel with our politiceans . money grabbing :eek:!!
was justifying previous post I did the reply for professional
I do agree with you about Napit as have had the same rubbish from them as you
:) i am not afraid to smile

"any one who does not join a scheme can only be viewed as not competent to do so by normal Electricians" Total rubbish!
Have been around for awhile and seen more bad workmanship by poorly regulated imitation sparks than most, I have noticed a marked improvement in works carried out since Part P. Far less Kitchen Fitters, Plumbers, Builders,chancers, etc not registered all able to install a light or socket or more and make it work, bad enough to cause injury and or death to their customers, some are still out there and are still doing it. any Decent spark who is fully qualified would be registered or notifying his work job by job with building Control the rest,well I havent changed my opinion they are still with the builders
The NICEIC are Good I joined them as a one man band the first time in the 80s left during recession in 91and joined again this century both times their engineers were very helpful throughout my assessments. Both times I had limited works to show them, the second time no Domestic works at all, but commercial workshop and offices with a small kitchen.
It should be said that the NICEIC were put under a lot of stress to accommodate a vast amount of new applicants over a very short space of time I think that they have and still are doing a good job for us as Sparks and for our industry and the public to. They are by far the number one with more registrations, also known by most people who still look for their Logo. We as a Company are very busy, touch wood, are you
or should you be NICEIC registered:)
 
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You may not be aware but ALL scheme providers undertake "poaching" campaigns - the only reason why you may not be aware is that schemes do not send the "poaching packs" to their own members! As for the idea that there are less kitchen fitters doing dodgy wiring - get real, it`s worse than ever out there! The only thing that Part P has achieved is that the former cowboys are now semi-legitimate since any scheme will accept anyone as long as they have money in their pocket. They only care about standards of work if they get caught out - I see it most days AND the way they cover up the awful work of THEIR OWN members whilst decrying the work of anyone else. The idea that only registered sparks are any good is pathetic - some of the worst work that I see is by REGISTERED sparks, or quite often by sparks who are employed by a registered company during the week and become weekend warriors at other times. Judging by the standard of work some turn out I fail to see how their "legitimate work can comply - but then again, once it`s signed off under the QS system nobody cares do they?
 
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sparkas

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A registered sparks, in this era, has no meaning?????????
My uncle would wear a bowler hat, as a top sparks in his day????????
Modern times, you become a sparks, on a one week course????????
The game has gone beyond repair:mad:
 
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hotXbun

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What if I did a weeks course & wore a bowler hat.
Would that be ok?
I quite like that ..... yes, it has a certain romance to it. And at the end of the course you would receive your hat with a letter 'P' emblazoned on the front.



I shall not devalue it by suggesting that upon failing, the hat becomes a flower pot with a 'd' on the front.

:) "ooh, I want one!:eek: !" :)
 
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Spudnik

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This thread is for members to say who they are registered with.

Please stay on-topic.
 

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I'm with the NIC, basically registered because of part p. I went for the full one though as it seemed madness to pay a fee and only be covered for domestic installation. My annual fee's in the region of £450/ year and add to that the cost of annual assessment, a similar figure if I recall and it's not cheap!
On the plus side though I've actually been "found" by customers through the NICEIC's listings of electricians in the local area, and while it amounts to a small amount of the expenditure it all helps.
I have friends registered with ECA/ nappit etc and others who are not registered at all and occasionally get asked to "come in on a job" with them as the client insists on NICEIC paperwork.
As has been said, the NICEIC is well known and their "branding" is highly recognisable, the part P notification side is easy via the website and their technical dept are helpful enough.
 
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Steve D

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Hi,

I'm not yet registered with anyone. I'm newly qualified and after a chat with Elecsa on the phone I think I will probably go with them when the time comes. They seem very friendly and helpful (especially for a newbie just breaking into the trade) .

I appreciate that companies/councils see NICEIC as the 'market leader' but that's just due to more people being registered to them.

If Elecsa had more members then I'm sure the councils would start to change their views.
It's a vicious circle. Until we start 'supporting' Elecsa then NICEIC will always be the preferred body.

Cheers
Steve
 
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SirKit Breaker

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Hi,

I'm not yet registered with anyone. I'm newly qualified and after a chat with Elecsa on the phone I think I will probably go with them when the time comes. They seem very friendly and helpful (especially for a newbie just breaking into the trade) .

I appreciate that companies/councils see NICEIC as the 'market leader' but that's just due to more people being registered to them.

If Elecsa had more members then I'm sure the councils would start to change their views.
It's a vicious circle. Until we start 'supporting' Elecsa then NICEIC will always be the preferred body.

Cheers
Steve
I'm in my 4th year with Elecsa, very good no complaints, they are getting known out there, British Gas moved over to them either last year or early this year. Elecsa could do more to push their name to the front, but we members also have to do our bit which i do. It used to be a case of customers asking if you were NIC registered, but now mainly it is asking if you are registered. On the odd occasion that i am asked if i am NIC registered i inform them there are other registration bodies of which i am a member of one, and they all carry equal credibility, point them in the direction of the Elecsa website or give them the householder Elecsa info sheet, always does the job.

Cheers.........Howard;)
 
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raj200048

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Im a 17th edition self employed electrician but not registered yet, any one can tell me which one is the easyest to join and hasslefree

Im a 17th edition self employed electrician but not registered yet, any one can tell me which one is the easyest to join and hasslefree
 
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hotXbun

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Im a 17th edition self employed electrician but not registered yet, any one can tell me which one is the easyest to join and hasslefree

Im a 17th edition self employed electrician but not registered yet, any one can tell me which one is the easyest to join and hasslefree
Apart from :) Elecsa :), have you considered joining the 'Foreign Legion'? Here they doin quite well ;)
 

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