Zone 2 Shower - Permanent Fixed Partition

[Timotei]

Does the non opening side of a typical perspex shower cubicle represent a "permanent fixed partition"?

Having a "discussion" with a colleague regarding the "plan" diagram p.89 OSG (yellow). Discussion centres around whether the PFP needs to be a wall or just the standard perspex cubicle side.

This relating to positioning of a shower switch right next to the cubicle where the non opening side junctions the bathroom wall - below 2.25m....

so Zone 2 or not depends on definition of "permanent fixed partition".

 

[Pete999]

Does the non opening side of a typical perspex shower cubicle represent a "permanent fixed partition"?

Having a "discussion" with a colleague regarding the "plan" diagram p.89 OSG (yellow). Discussion centres around whether the PFP needs to be a wall or just the standard perspex cubicle side.

This relating to positioning of a shower switch right next to the cubicle where the non opening side junctions the bathroom wall - below 2.25m....

so Zone 2 or not depends on definition of "permanent fixed partition".

You will need to "locations Containing a Bath or Shower" I would say No a perspex cubicle side is not a permanent fixed partition (in my opinion)

 

[Octopus]

I would avoid placing such a switch in that position .......... outside the room or ceiling mounted would be a better option IMHO

 

[Timotei]

I would avoid placing such a switch in that position .......... outside the room or ceiling mounted would be a better option IMHO

I agree Mudoch...but it's already there! I think it needs relocating, my colleague things it's not in zone 2 so leave alone....hence discussion re PFP.

 

[Octopus]

I agree Mudoch...but it's already there! I think it needs relocating, my colleague things it's not in zone 2 so leave alone....hence discussion re PFP.

Are you doing an EICR?

 

[Pete999]

Are you doing an EICR?

Don't know sounds like he is having a discussion with a Mate

 

[Octopus]

Don't know sounds like he is having a discussion with a Mate

Still need to know the context of why they were discussing it ...

See loads of stuff every week that isn't ideal .............. but you can't go around making customers pay for things that aren't relevant to what you are working on ............ but you can comment on a Cert or Invoice!

 

[Timotei]

Are you doing an EICR?

Apologies, yes it's an eicr on sale of house, debate with colleague as I intend to recommend relocation, he says not required....hence interested in the views of the wise heads that frequent the forum.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

The location and zones are bounded by walls, fixed partitions, ceiling and floor.
The fact that the Regulations list walls and fixed partitions, suggests that a fixed portion does not have to be a wall.

 

[Octopus]

Apologies, yes it's an eicr on sale of house, debate with colleague as I intend to recommend relocation, he says not required....hence interested in the views of the wise heads that frequent the forum.

I think its in the area of "ambiguity" - the specialist subject with the muppets that write BS 7671

BYB P209 d) - what is the definition of a permanent fixed partition? is it a wall or a fixed piece of glass?

You could C3 it!

 

[HappyHippyDad]

The location and zones are bounded by walls, fixed partitions, ceiling and floor.
The fact that the Regulations list walls and fixed partitions, suggests that a fixed portion does not have to be a wall.

Interesting reply, however it's a bit like Amd 3 saying that a 'non combustible' material needs to be used for CU's. They then give the example as being metal, which in fact is almost the only viable option to comply.

I wouldn't have thought a piece of perspex attached to a shower would be classed as a permanant fixed partion as it could be unscrewed and moved.

Actually I think I've misinterpreted your post a bit. i thought you'd written 'The regulations lists walls as fixed partitions'.

 

[HappyHippyDad]

I think its in the area of "ambiguity" - the specialist subject with the muppets that write BS 7671

BYB P209 d) - what is the definition of a permanent fixed partition? is it a wall or a fixed piece of glass?

You could C3 it!

Or you could FI it as you need the next months to discuss with the building authorities what they actually mean by a permanant fixed partition.

 

[Octopus]

The location and zones are bounded by walls, fixed partitions, ceiling and floor.
The fact that the Regulations list walls and fixed partitions, suggests that a fixed portion does not have to be a wall.

precisely ......... so a bit of timber held in place with gaffer tape?

 

[westward10]

You would have to question the suitability of the accessory in its current location whether in a zone or not.

 

[Toneyz]

You would have to question the suitability of the accessory in its current location whether in a zone or not.

External influences come to mind.

 

[Pete999]

External influences come to mind.

In what context Ant?

 

[Toneyz]

In what context Ant?

It's still subject to steam, condensation and moisture.

 

[Pete999]

It's still subject to steam, condensation and moisture.

Oh OK Thanks, just wondered what you meant.

 

[Richard Burns]

I think the specification of a permanent fixed partition and the consideration of whether this applies to a permanent movable partition should provide its own answer.
The shower screen could be folded back such that the ceiling switch is now in direct line of water splashes.
In the context of the description I would class this as improvement recommended as it has limited risk of danger even if splashed with water as it is on the ceiling, but it does not comply with current regulations.

 

[Timotei]

I think the specification of a permanent fixed partition and the consideration of whether this applies to a permanent movable partition should provide its own answer.
The shower screen could be folded back such that the ceiling switch is now in direct line of water splashes.
In the context of the description I would class this as improvement recommended as it has limited risk of danger even if splashed with water as it is on the ceiling, but it does not comply with current regulations.

Thanks Richard. The panel is not a fold back panel, it is the "fixed" side panel of a cubicle. However, with the help and advice of yourself and the good folks above I am inclined to record this as C3 and explain the reasoning to my client.