Search for tools and product advice,

Discuss Basic Testing Procedures in the Periodic Inspection Reporting & Certification area at ElectriciansForums.net

a CPS scheme will still require 17th edition, silly really
my partner and myself joined elecsa, even though he had 2394
and 2395 it was irrelevant , as we both had 17th edition
either of us could have done the assessment, and strangely enough I did it.
I taught myself from books
 
Sorry should have quoted below.

I ll tell you what I'm doing, I am installing new circuits and breaking into exsisting rings ,when I install a new circuit I issue a New installation cert and when I tamper with a ring I issue a Minor works cert,but the thing is I am doing this in a very large store and the power can not be turned off so I can not do my Ze so I think I put this down as a limatation and just do PFC or if I can get my hands on previous test sheets issued can I use them?



Reply


Previous test sheets should be used to determine if there is any deterioration from the last test it is also helpful if locating circuits and additional work that has been carried out.
You should not use readings from previous tests on a new EICR as the values may have worsened.
LIM it is the correct action but must be agreed with person ordering the work and provide reasons on EICR. If they are unhappy to have it LIMed then they must arrange for a time to do the test. Probably will be happy to LIM if not charge out of hours rate min of 8 hours. Not you fault coustomer will not let you isolate store.
All other points you mention are spot on.
 
Is this all still applicable Sintra - I assume it is, just asking. This thread hasn't been replied to since 2019. And that either means it's really well discussed and there's nowt to add to it. Or there's a change somewhere in the industry and it isn't applicable.

I doubt that's the case.

Just checking though. :D

Lemme know either way matey.
 
I can't see the theory changing beyond what has been detailed prior.

Only tweak I would make it to include calculations to be done at relevent points. Anyone can press a button but it takes an electrician to know how to interpret the results - Knowing what you expect to see before you press that button and from that; making the call as to whether or not the reading is acceptable is that mark of a switched on (excuse the pun) spark, compared to a dull one.
 
A multi meter should not be used for safe isolation as it may be set in various positions.
For example you start of with it on the ac voltage setting but in the middle of the procedure you inadvertently move the selector to a different range which could prove fatal.

The reason the proper test equipment to GS38 should be used is to remove the possibility of human error.
I would include pen type voltage indicators and neon screwdrivers also as unsuitable for safe isolation.
 
Safe isolation

The procedure for proving dead should be by use of a test lamp or two pole voltage detector as recommended in HSE Guidance Note GS38.
Non-contact voltage indicators (voltage sticks) and multi-meters should not be used. The test instrument should be proved to be working on a known live source or proprietary proving unit before and after use. All phases of the supply and the neutral should be tested and proved dead.


Test sequence and descriptions

The following tests are carried out with the Consumers main switch isolated

1. Extenal earth fault loop impedance
Reason: To establish that a good earth exists at the installation in order for the remaining tests to go ahead.

Method: Disconnect the main earthing conductor from the main earthing terminal. An earth fault loop impedance tester is connected at line and earth (main earthing conductor) at the supply side of the installation and a test performed. Reconnect the main earthing conductor. The result is Ze and recorded on the sheet. The prospective fault current is measured at the same time after the reconnection of the main earthing conductor.


2. Continuity of protective and bonding conductors
Reason: To check that all circuit protective conductors (green and yellow cables) are continuous and are present at every electrical accessory on the circuit. Also to check that the main earthing conductor and main bonding conductors are continuous and correctly connected.

Method 1: The line conductor is connected to the circuit protective conductor of the same circuit at the consumer unit and a measurement taken at ALL accesories on that circuit between line and c.p.c. The highest measurement obtained is recorded on the test report.
Test result is R1 + R2. The line conductor and neutral conductor are then connected and the above repeated to obtain R1 + Rn

Method 2 (used for main earth and main bonding conductors): A wandering lead is connected to one end of the conductor to be tested and a measurement taken between the other end of this lead and the other end of the conductor.
Test result is R2.
During this test polarity can be checked as well. The continuity of the neutral conductor can also be checked.


3. Continuity of ring final circuit conductors
Reason: This test ensures that all ring final circuits (sockets usually) are indeed a continuous ring with no interconnects or breaks within it.

Method: The line, neutral and earth conductors of the circuit are identified and a measurement from one end to the other end of each is taken. These results are r1, r2 and rn.
The incoming line conductor is then connected to the outgoing earth conductor and the outgoing line conductor is connected to the incoming earth conductor. A measurement is then taken at ALL socket outlets on the ring. The highest of which is recorded on the report.
This result is R1+R2 for that circuit. The above is then repeated using the neutral conductor instead of the earth conductor. This test provides R1+Rn which does not need to be recorded on the report but is essential to check the circuit correctly.


4. Insulation Resisitance
Reason: This test checks whether the insulation around a cable is still intact and has not broken down over time. It is a good indicator of the age of an installation.

Method: An insulation resistance tester is connected across line and neutral tails at the origin of the supply. 500V are then pumped down the conductors to see if any voltage leaks across from one conductor to the other. The same is then done for the line and earth and the earth and neutral conductors.


5. Polarity
Reason: To check that all accesories are correctly connected to line, neutral and earth and that all switches and circuit breakers are connected in the line conductor only.

Method: The method for this is the same as for continuity and is usually done at the same time by operating switches etc whilst conducting the test.


6. Earth electrode resistance
Reason: To make sure that any earth electrode used is of a sufficiently low impedance to allow the timely operation of the RCD protecting the installation.

Method: An earth fault loop impedance tester is connected between line and earth at the origin of the supply and a test performed. The result of which is considered the resistance of the electrode (Ra).


The following tests are carried out with the Consumers main switch energised


7. Live polarity test
Reason: To verify polarity of supply authorities system.

Method: An approved voltage indicator shall be used or test lamp to GS38. Using the approved voltage indicator, one probe shall be placed on the incoming neutral, and the other on the incoming line conductor, on the main breaker. The indicator should show it is live. One probe shall now be placed on the CPC and the other on the incoming line conductor. The indicator should show it is live. A test shall be preformed between CPC & incoming neutral. The indicator should show that it is not live.


8. Earth fault loop impedance
Reason: This test is done at the furthest point on a circuit in order to make sure the impedance of the earth path is not too high even at the furthest point so that sufficient current will flow under fault conditions to take out the circuit breaker protecting the circuit.

Method: An earth fault loop impedance tester is connected to line and earth at the furthest point on the circuit and the test performed.


9. RCD test
Reason: To make sure RCD's trip within the correct time

Method: An RCD tester is connected and a test at 1/2 times, 1 times and 5 times the trip current is performed on each side of the cycle and a time of trip obtained. Usually milli-seconds with the highest being recorded. The manual test button is then pressed.


10. Functional testing
Reason: To make sure all switches, isolators, MCB's etc. work as they should.


Method. Self explanatory.
A very in depth post. Yes we who are longer in the trade tend to complacency
I found the test meathods covered all the basic tests, except erroneous testing.
Heads up Sintra
RMS
 

Reply to Basic Testing Procedures in the Periodic Inspection Reporting & Certification area at ElectriciansForums.net

Similar Threads

I have got these questions on 2391-52 inspection and testing but can't remember option of 1st two questions. Please any suggestion will be...
Replies
2
Views
724
I'm practising EICRs on friendly locations as I'm still in training - technically done my 2391-52 but frankly need loads more practise. I've just...
Replies
11
Views
943
Hi all, We have a limited in house PAT testing requirement and were advised that the TIS700 fitted our needs. The unit works fine for 110V and...
Replies
0
Views
718
Hi There is a lighting circuit fault in a property with the downstairs lighting circuit. I have tested the voltage and there is 230v on both...
Replies
10
Views
1K
Hi all, Been a while since I have been on here. I have been on an apprenticeship the last 3 years training in the BMS world. Taking that into...
Replies
7
Views
395

OFFICIAL SPONSORS

Electrical Goods - Electrical Tools - Brand Names Electrician Courses Green Electrical Goods PCB Way Electrical Goods - Electrical Tools - Brand Names Pushfit Wire Connectors Electric Underfloor Heating Electrician Courses
These Official Forum Sponsors May Provide Discounts to Regular Forum Members - If you would like to sponsor us then CLICK HERE and post a thread with who you are, and we'll send you some stats etc

YOUR Unread Posts

This website was designed, optimised and is hosted by untold.media Operating under the name Untold Media since 2001.
Back
Top
AdBlock Detected

We get it, advertisements are annoying!

Sure, ad-blocking software does a great job at blocking ads, but it also blocks useful features of our website. For the best site experience please disable your AdBlocker.

I've Disabled AdBlock