UK Landlord Trying to Deduct Deposit for Unnecessary Electrician Test.

[Wingo123]

Hi everyone,

I recently moved out of my rented property, and as expected, my landlord is attempting to withhold a significant portion of my deposit. One of the charges she's insisting on is £300 for an electrician to conduct an EICR test.

Here's the situation: I'm a qualified electrician, and during my tenancy, I simply swapped the upstairs bedroom light with the living room light. I didn't tamper with any wiring; I only changed an accessory. My understanding is that no certificate is required for this kind of minor change, as there were no alterations to the wiring.

I've tried explaining this to my landlord, but she's adamant about the charge. Now, I've escalated the issue and filed a dispute with TDS (Tenancy Deposit Scheme). However, I'm hoping to get some additional confirmation and possibly a reference to the regulations that support my stance.

Can anyone confirm if I'm correct in my understanding? And perhaps provide a specific part of the regulations that backs up my argument?

Thank you in advance for any advice or insights you can offer!

 

[davesparks]

Did you get permission in writing to swap the lights over before you did it?

Is the EICR being carried out because you moved the lights or is it being carried out because it is due anyway?

 

[Wingo123]

Did you get permission in writing to swap the lights over before you did it?

Is the EICR being carried out because you moved the lights or is it being carried out because it is due anyway?

No, I didn't get permission. I didn't think it was needed at the time and they are trying to charge me for a EICR as I swapped the light fitting. I didn't move the location of the lights, I only changed the fitting it's self.

 

[davesparks]

Your tenancy agreement will include a clause stating that you are not allowed to make such an alteration without the landlords permission.

However I don't think it is reasonable to expect you to pay for an EICR in response to this, they could probably reasonably deduct the cost of having the lights put back to where they were at the start of the tenancy.

You will have to take this to the TDS and let them decide, if you are not happy with their decision follow the correct procedure after that.
Stay calm and deal with it reasonably, don't let yourself get wound up and say or do something regrettable, communicate only in writing and keep copies of everything.


In the future when moving in to a rented property take detailed pictures of every part of the property so that when you leave you can return it exactly as it was at the start of the tenancy.

No matter how nice or reasonable a landlord may appear to be don't take any chances, do everything you can to protect yourself.

 

[buzzlightyear]

One of the charges she's insisting on is £300 for an electrician to conduct an EICR test.

has their been any EICR done before you moved in or was any done at all.

 

[Wingo123]

has their been any EICR done before you moved in or was any done at all.

There was one done in 2020, so 4 years ago

 

[davesparks]

There was one done in 2020, so 4 years ago

So the mandatory 5 yearly EICR for a rented property is not yet due. So they are claiming this purely as a means of checking that the unauthorised work you did is compliant. This is over the top of it is just the moving of 2 light fittings that needs to be checked.

I also suspect they have seen this as an opportunity to get their next EICR done ahead of time and paid for by someone else.

 

[Wingo123]

So the mandatory 5 yearly EICR for a rented property is not yet due. So they are claiming this purely as a means of checking that the unauthorised work you did is compliant. This is over the top of it is just the moving of 2 light fittings that needs to be checked.

I also suspect they have seen this as an opportunity to get their next EICR done ahead of time and paid for by someone else.

Yes, they are trying to charge me £300+ for a new EICR as I swapped over 2 lights. I agree with you. It seems like they are trying to get the money to get it done now instead of having to pay themselves next year.

 

[littlespark]

If you are an electrician, can you produce a test certificate just to cover the circuits you worked on? Even if it was just changing accessories?

An EICR can also be limited to specific circuits, doesn’t have to be all of them.

 

[buzzlightyear]

Yes, they are trying to charge me £300+ for a new EICR as I swapped over 2 lights. I agree with you. It seems like they are trying to get the money to get it done now instead of having to pay themselves next year

get a mate to give you a minor .
that £300.00 scam does not warrant that to be done .
start nit picking on the electrics and see what they say then .
hammer time .ooops thats a crack in that ooops thats falling down .

 

[Rockingit]

So the mandatory 5 yearly EICR for a rented property is not yet due. So they are claiming this purely as a means of checking that the unauthorised work you did is compliant. This is over the top of it is just the moving of 2 light fittings that needs to be checked.

I also suspect they have seen this as an opportunity to get their next EICR done ahead of time and paid for by someone else.

I thought it was also between change of tenancy? Always used to be in BS7671.

My first thoughts are 1) How did they even notice anyway, 2) They’re just trying to scam the EICR that’s due anyway (see above) and 3) The easiest route through the deadlock will be to say “fine, get the inspection done, and if it flags anything directly to do with those two pendants (or whatever) then you’ll arrange to get those issues and those issues only corrected.”

 

[Wingo123]

I thought it was also between change of tenancy? Always used to be in BS7671.

My first thoughts are 1) How did they even notice anyway, 2) They’re just trying to scam the EICR that’s due anyway (see above) and 3) The easiest route through the deadlock will be to say “fine, get the inspection done, and if it flags anything directly to do with those two pendants (or whatever) then you’ll arrange to get those issues and those issues only corrected.”

I'm not gonna do that. That means I have to pay £300 for them to do the inspection lol

 

[Rockingit]

I'm not gonna do that. That means I have to pay £300 for them to do the inspection lol

That’s not what I said. I said throw the gauntlet and say that if it flags an issue then you’ll resolve that issue - not that you’ll pay for an inspection.

 

[Wingo123]

That’s not what I said. I said throw the gauntlet and say that if it flags an issue then you’ll resolve that issue - not that you’ll pay for an inspection.

Okay, sorry. I tried that, and they didn't accept it. They said "it's part of regulation to have a EICR certificate."

 

[DPG]

I thought it was also between change of tenancy? Always used to be in BS7671.

My first thoughts are 1) How did they even notice anyway, 2) They’re just trying to scam the EICR that’s due anyway (see above) and 3) The easiest route through the deadlock will be to say “fine, get the inspection done, and if it flags anything directly to do with those two pendants (or whatever) then you’ll arrange to get those issues and those issues only corrected.”

It's not change of tenancy. Would be almost impossible with short term 6 month tenancy agreements anyway.

 

[James]

I Think I would be tempted to offer a payment towards the EICR.
if it is a 12 way board and you have changed fittings on 2 circuits (upstairs and downstairs lights)
2/12th of the circuits have been interfered with so therefore £300 / 6 =£50
and seen as the 2 circuits probably serve 10 light fittings then i think that breakdown of the costs is more than generous.

or as above, supply a minor works cert for the work you did. ( i assume you did some testing and recorded the results on a piece of paper you keep with the original EICR)

 

[DPG]

Never good when a tenant starts swapping things without permission.

 

[Pauls0212]

The landlord is probably wondering what else you have done and not told them!! They have to be safe.

 

[Rockingit]

It's not change of tenancy. Would be almost impossible with short term 6 month tenancy agreements anyway.

I'm going to take you to task on that.... It's change of occupancy.

GN3 Table 3.2 (pg115) refers. Domestic accomodation is a maximum of ten years or at change of tenancy. Rented accomodation then has an additional requirement of maximum five years between I&T with a routine check yearly. This is reinforced by commentary on page 117 "..Landlords are required by law to ensure that the electrical installation in a rented property is safe when tenants move in..." And the reason for this is very simple - it's to prevent this very scenario where it's implausible to think that a rented property that may have seen a dozen tenants through it in five years hasn't been interfered with over the course of that time, so an EICR issued four years ago may not resemble the installation four years and five tenants later and therefore cannot be relied upon.

All the 2020 Act did was make into statutory law what was already contained within BS7671 for years.

 

[Julie.]

Hi everyone,

I recently moved out of my rented property, and as expected, my landlord is attempting to withhold a significant portion of my deposit. One of the charges she's insisting on is £300 for an electrician to conduct an EICR test.

Here's the situation: I'm a qualified electrician, and during my tenancy, I simply swapped the upstairs bedroom light with the living room light. I didn't tamper with any wiring; I only changed an accessory. My understanding is that no certificate is required for this kind of minor change, as there were no alterations to the wiring.

I've tried explaining this to my landlord, but she's adamant about the charge. Now, I've escalated the issue and filed a dispute with TDS (Tenancy Deposit Scheme). However, I'm hoping to get some additional confirmation and possibly a reference to the regulations that support my stance.

Can anyone confirm if I'm correct in my understanding? And perhaps provide a specific part of the regulations that backs up my argument?

Thank you in advance for any advice or insights you can offer!

You don't say where you are, but in England, there has to be an EICR done at least every 5 years, and you as the tenant must be supplied with the report within 28 days of the test, and to any new tenant prior to the tenancy.

This is under the Electrical Safety Standards in the Private Rented Sector (England) Regulations 2020 - SI 312(2020).

There is no legal requirement to have an EICR completed upon a change of tenancy/occupation, but there are some recommendations to do so.

However the landlord has a responsibility to ensure that the electrical installation remains in compliance with the standards throughout, if you have carried out modifications, then it would be reasonable for the landlord to be concerned that they may not be to standard, (yet it is their responsibility to ensure that it is).

Looking at it from the landlord's pov - a tenant has modified the electrical installation without permission, the landlord has no idea what has been done - perhaps much more than they have spotted themselves, nor to what standard these modifications have been done! Yet it's the landlord's head on the block!

If I were the landlord, I would be looking to get it checked over - and pass the cost to the tenants who carried out the unauthorised modifications.

I (as a landlord) might automatically get a new EICR upon a change of tenancy as a matter of course - just so I am not exposed in case something has been done - in which case, that's just part of business and wouldn't look for additional costs from the tenant.

I understand it from your pov as well, you know what you have done is very limited, and being saddled with the costs appears unfair, but unfortunately as you didn't get the modifications approved, nor get (or issue) a minor works certificate; it pretty much leaves you open. Had there been prior approval or evidence of the work being done to standard - you might have a fair argument.

I think your best argument is that basically the landlord has to get a 5 year EICR done one year early, so perhaps 1/5 of a contribution of the cost, - £60 - that would sit well at arbitration.

 

[Rockingit]

There is no legal requirement to have an EICR completed upon a change of tenancy/occupation, but there are some recommendations to do so.

As per my post above, I think this is a point worthy of debate.

As we all know, BS7671 isn't a statutory instrument, so therefore any and all of it can be considered 'advisory' - as such, the advice (GN3) is upon change of tenancy. However - we are also informed by EAWR89 that BS7671 is considered ACOP to be adhered to. It therefore follows that EAWR89 - which is obviously statute - implies a requirement to inspect as per 652.x and GN3..... which leads us back to change of tenancy. The 2020 Act simply adds another layer of protection by adding in the five year rule over the top and more importantly does also specify "..is inspected and tested...before the tenancy commences in relation to a new specified tenancy.."

Directly from the Act: ( The Electrical Safety Standards in the Private Rented Sector (England) Regulations 2020 - https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/312/regulation/3/made )
Duties of private landlords in relation to electrical installations

3.—(1) A private landlord(1) who grants or intends to grant a specified tenancy must—

a)ensure that the electrical safety standards are met during any period when the residential premises(2) are occupied under a specified tenancy;​

(b)ensure every electrical installation in the residential premises is inspected and tested at regular intervals by a qualified person; and​

(c)ensure the first inspection and testing is carried out—​

(i)before the tenancy commences in relation to a new specified tenancy; or​

(ii)by 1st April 2021 in relation to an existing specified tenancy.​

(2) For the purposes of sub-paragraph (1)(b) “at regular intervals” means—

(a)at intervals of no more than 5 years; or​

(b)where the most recent report under sub-paragraph (3)(a) requires such inspection and testing to be at intervals of less than 5 years, at the intervals specified in that report.​

 

[Julie.]

As per my post above, I think this is a point worthy of debate.

As we all know, BS7671 isn't a statutory instrument, so therefore any and all of it can be considered 'advisory' - as such, the advice (GN3) is upon change of tenancy. However - we are also informed by EAWR89 that BS7671 is considered ACOP to be adhered to. It therefore follows that EAWR89 - which is obviously statute - implies a requirement to inspect as per 652.x and GN3..... which leads us back to change of tenancy. The 2020 Act simply adds another layer of protection by adding in the five year rule over the top and more importantly does also specify "..is inspected and tested...before the tenancy commences in relation to a new specified tenancy.."

Directly from the Act: ( The Electrical Safety Standards in the Private Rented Sector (England) Regulations 2020 - https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/312/regulation/3/made )
Duties of private landlords in relation to electrical installations

3.—(1) A private landlord(1) who grants or intends to grant a specified tenancy must—

a)ensure that the electrical safety standards are met during any period when the residential premises(2) are occupied under a specified tenancy;​

(b)ensure every electrical installation in the residential premises is inspected and tested at regular intervals by a qualified person; and​

(c)ensure the first inspection and testing is carried out—​

(i)before the tenancy commences in relation to a new specified tenancy; or​

(ii)by 1st April 2021 in relation to an existing specified tenancy.​

(2) For the purposes of sub-paragraph (1)(b) “at regular intervals” means—

(a)at intervals of no more than 5 years; or​

(b)where the most recent report under sub-paragraph (3)(a) requires such inspection and testing to be at intervals of less than 5 years, at the intervals specified in that report.​

You should note, the "New tenancy" only refers to the FIRST tenancy (3.1c above)

Basically upon the introduction of the law:

3.1ci says the first inspection must be carried out before the tenancy (if not already a tenant)
3.1cii says the first inspection must be carried out before 1st April 2021 (if a tenant already)

From the law:

"(c)ensure the FIRST inspection and testing is carried out—

(i)before the tenancy commences in relation to a new specified tenancy; or

(ii)by 1st April 2021 in relation to an existing specified tenancy."
​

There is no legal requirement for an EICR upon subsequent changes of tenancy/occupancy.


Also check out 652.1 in GN3 it states that the recommendations in table 3.2 are merely recommendations and are NOT legal requirements.

It may make sense, but neither BS7671, nor GN3, nor "The Electrical Safety Standards in the Private Rented Sector (England) Regulations 2020" do not mandate an EICR upon a new tenancy (Other than for the FIRST tenancy)

 

[LukeD]

If she is asking you to pay for it ..agree and have it done on your terms and in your name and you OWN the EICR . Therefore she cannot use it for the next tenant let her know this

 

[Rockingit]

You should note, the "New tenancy" only refers to the FIRST tenancy (3.1c above)

Basically upon the introduction of the law:

3.1ci says the first inspection must be carried out before the tenancy (if not already a tenant)
3.1cii says the first inspection must be carried out before 1st April 2021 (if a tenant already)

From the law:





There is no legal requirement for an EICR upon subsequent changes of tenancy/occupancy.


Also check out 652.1 in GN3 it states that the recommendations in table 3.2 are merely recommendations and are NOT legal requirements.

It may make sense, but neither BS7671, nor GN3, nor "The Electrical Safety Standards in the Private Rented Sector (England) Regulations 2020" do not mandate an EICR upon a new tenancy (Other than for the FIRST tenancy)

We may have to agree to disagree on this. The reference to a first inspection is simply to acknowledge that others may follow afterwards (at the five year or less period) for any new [continuing] tenancy.

 

[hasel5]

You should of swapped the lights back before you moved out TBH then no-one would of known and you say you are qualified so no big task

 

[DPG]

You should of swapped the lights back before you moved out TBH then no-one would of known and you say you are qualified so no big task

Good post. Apart from the 'of's

 

[Wingo123]

You should of swapped the lights back before you moved out TBH then no-one would of known and you say you are qualified so no big task

To be honest, I wish I had thought of it. We've never rented before, so didn't think it would be a problem. I thought I was doing them a favour, as you typically wouldn't have that kind of light fitting in a living room.

I've disputed the fees with TDS now, so I will provide TDS with a minor works test certificate. I'm still disputing other fees as they're trying to charge us £120 for gardening (cutting the grass). It wasn't the season to cut the grass, and it wasn't cut when we moved in anyway lol

 

[davesparks]

We've never rented before, so didn't think it would be a problem.

The first thing you do when you move in to a rented property should be to take detailed, time stamped, pictures of everything. Check through the inventory and check in report thoroughly and make sure any inaccuracies are fixed.

Then at the end of the tenancy return the property exactly as it was when you moved in. They will take every possible opportunity to deduct money from your deposit for even the most trivial things.

Arrange for the check out inspection to happen on the last day of the tenancy so that they can't stop you from being present for it.

When I left the first house I rented they made a deduction from my deposit to repair a damaged door frame. The door frame had been damaged by the landlord's contractor who replaced the cooker when it broke and like an idiot I told the landlord about it but didn't take any pictures. So when I contested the deduction from my deposit the landlord said they had repaired the damage caused by their contractor (they hadn't) and the damage they were charging for was other damage caused by me.

It wasn't the season to cut the grass, and it wasn't cut when we moved in anyway lol

Unless you can prove absolutely and irrefutably that the grass is exactly the length it was when you moved in then you'll probably lose that one. And even then your tenancy agreement probably states that you must cut the grass at the end of the tenancy.

 

[oscar21]

They are obviously trying to scam you and will probably get away with it, so, as you are an electrician create some faults that only a magician could find that will show up on the EICR they are about to have done. You could then charge them £300 for info on how to fix it.

 

[LukeD]

The rent deposit schemes are very "Pro" tenant . And tend to always believe a tenant more than a landlord . With smart phones been almost a common item there is not excuse not to be able to form a perfect paper trail for any issues. Based on the Damaged door frame mentioned... I would demand screen shots that are time/date coded to show landlords communication with the trade person , the invoice and prove of payment . And the deposit scheme should want the same ?/