**Show Us Your Installs!!!**

[Spudnik]

Right chaps,

Due to a few unavoidable issues, we have lost the original thread and pics etc.

Sorry about that!!!

So, if you want to re-upload your pics then great, if not, give us something new!


Cheers!!

 

[Stroppy]

I've heard the argument about stretching the CPC, but have seen several training videos with Tony wotsit and Brian Scaddan from the IET (I think) say that although technically it will stretch it and reduce the csa, the change will be so miniscule that it makes no practical difference.

When stripping 1-2.5mm I prefer to split the end with snips, then yank evenly on both the brown and blue conductors to peel it apart leaving the cpc in the middle. This way any tension is spread across both conductors, which are thicker than the cpc.

 

[Knobhead]

The odd times I've done T+E I've always run a Stanly knife along the CPC cutting both sides of the cable at the same time. Never nicked the conductor insulation yet. Can't see me ever changing that habit.

 

[Stroppy]

Another successful day for the Stroppy Electrics 'free power for £30' division

 

[rmc86uk]

When stripping 1-2.5mm I prefer to split the end with snips, then yank evenly on both the brown and blue conductors to peel it apart leaving the cpc in the middle. This way any tension is spread across both conductors, which are thicker than the cpc.

Have tried doing this with LSF?

 

[Stroppy]

Thankfully I've never had to use it, yet.

 

[Engineer54]

What you've done looks neat. I just cant see any sense in telling anyone to chop holes in tray like that. Collages must be in a parallel universe. One that bears no semblance of reality.

That's because there is no sense in it!! It's more like, yet another collage instructor, that hasn't got a bloody clue about how to design and install tray. Never have and probably now, never will see tray work with gaping big holes chopped out like that, for cables to pass through!!

If i ever saw anything like that on any of my projects, it would be out, ....dammed quicker than it took to go in!!! lol!!

 

[ipf]

That's because there is no sense in it!! It's more like, yet another collage instructor, that hasn't got a bloody clue about how to design and install tray. Never have and probably now, never will see tray work with gaping big holes chopped out like that, for cables to pass through!!

If i ever saw anything like that on any of my projects, it would be out, ....dammed quicker than it took to go in!!! lol!!

One of those would be working in an art college, so no bloody wonder.lol.

 

[rmc86uk]

If i ever saw anything like that on any of my projects, it would be out, ....dammed quicker than it took to go in!!! lol!!

I can just imagine you going at it with a sledge hammer lol!

 

[Engineer54]

I can just imagine you going at it with a sledge hammer lol!

No, not me, the guy who had installed it would be doing all the ripping out, with me and his boss standing over him, making sure that it did all came out!! lol!!

 

[KWCFC]

No, not me, the guy who had installed it would be doing all the ripping out, with me and his boss standing over him, making sure that it did all came out!! lol!!

Why though? It is unorthodox but there's nothing wrong with it and it looks neat. Seems like a lot of fuss over nothing.

 

[shanky887614]

Why though? It is unorthodox but there's nothing wrong with it and it looks neat. Seems like a lot of fuss over nothing.

it would be a pain to segregate for a start.

if your dropping off at points like that its better to use basket (i think it looks better as well when you have a lot of cables on it

 

[Silly Sausage]

Why though? It is unorthodox but there's nothing wrong with it and it looks neat. Seems like a lot of fuss over nothing.

Fine, if you're an amateur.

Some people have standards and take pride in their work.
Bit of an outdated concept these days it seems!

 

[Stroppy]

This is sooo much better than college, I'm actually learning the real-world way to do things, thanks everyone!

Now maybe you can help me wire up my shed.....

 

[Engineer54]

Originally Posted by KWCFC
Why though? It is unorthodox but there's nothing wrong with it and it looks neat. Seems like a lot of fuss over nothing.


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I think much of the ''Why'' has already been answered. It may look neat as you put it, as a short demo practice example, but is not a viable installation out in the real world, on a working tray installation...

 

[Rockingit]

The minute someone puts a cable onto the bridge running vertically you've had it for running more cable in without having to stand over that hole and push it through inches at a time. And pyro or not, if there's a metal edge hole - where's the glanding strip?

 

[Stroppy]

The grommet strip is definitely there, I remember doing it. The cable does not touch any sharp edges.

 

[shanky887614]

The grommet strip is definitely there, I remember doing it. The cable does not touch any sharp edges.

your forgetting that your one hole makes it very difficult to pull 50m+ cable through it

 

[sedgy34]

Too many know it alls on here who actually know sfa

 

[Stroppy]

your forgetting that your one hole makes it very difficult to pull 50m+ cable through it

I refer the honourable gentleman to the large text at the bottom of my original post: http://www.electriciansforums.net/e...**show-us-your-installs-**-41.html#post739420

 

[shanky887614]

I refer the honourable gentleman to the large text at the bottom of my original post: http://www.electriciansforums.net/e...**show-us-your-installs-**-41.html#post739420

i understand that fully. the thing about college is, wouldn't it be better to do trunking? never cut a single piece at college and done loads at work

 

[rmc86uk]

Round and round in circles we go...

 

[Robson689]

i understand that fully. the thing about college is, wouldn't it be better to do trunking? never cut a single piece at college and done loads at work

We have done quite a lot of both cable tray and trunking at College. It all depends on which one you go to!

 

[Megavolt]

zZZZZZzzzzz god how can this possible keep going. It was a college piece

 

[sedgy34]

Don't matter how brill your work is when you post it on here someone will pick a fault with it, especially all the eggsperts on here

 

[Stroppy]

i understand that fully. the thing about college is, wouldn't it be better to do trunking? never cut a single piece at college and done loads at work

We have done trunking too, on the Steel Trunking task, and the big test piece which incorporates steel and plastic trunking, steel and plastic conduit, singles, T&E, SWA, one and two-way light switching (see, we do learn 2-way switching at college! ), and ring and radial sockets circuits. This was the MI/Steel tray task.

I'm still frankly amazed that no one has taken the ---- out of the bits of this task which aren't that great!

 

[Silly Sausage]

They can't see past a hole! :smilielol5:

 

[wade88]

It's not just a hole, its a gate way to a parallel universe where people just shut the f up and don't whinge over tiny little details.

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The hole of destiny

 

[Engineer54]

The comments being made, is i think that students are being taught at collage, practices that just won't work out in the real world. Perhaps most of the comments about whingeing over minor details are from those that wouldn't know any different and have never installed a complete cable tray installation. Those that have, will understand the implications off using ''holes'' for change of direction etc!!

 

[Billythekid]

The comments being made, is i think that students are being taught at collage, practices that just won't work out in the real world. Perhaps most of the comments about winging over minor details are those that wouldn't know any different and have never installed a complete cable tray installation. Those that have, will understand the implications off using ''holes'' for change of direction etc!!

Agreed,

Things are often taken out of context, this is "one" solution to a problem - there are many, many more!

With this example he doesn't have to pull through 50mtrs cable etc, etc. Is that not the whole point of learning . . . Learn the underpinning knowledge, learn various ways to do things, engage brain, and apply the solution that you (with said knowledge) see fit?

 

[Stroppy]

Here's my finest work yet. I'm sure you'll all agree its a masterpiece.