“HRRB” regs and EICR’s

[LukeD]

Its like fighting a argument with idiots at times !
OK.


EICR . Building 6 floors Floors high . legal interior height is ground floor to top floor flooring level 15.51 metres . Yet been told that AFD’s need to be fitted . So ..I show them the regs as I believe and also the Gov portal page for the legal measuring of a building to determine if its under 18m . Building documents show 6 floors . Building insurance docs show 6 floors !


So why is there some conflict ??? Unless someone just thinks they can make money from the Job ??

 

[mainline]

MOT advisories are not similar to a C3 observation on an EICR.

They are similar in the respect that they are given without failing or being unsatisfactory.

 

[mainline]

Yes if a vehicle fails an MOT it cannot be used on public roads.

But if an installation is found to be unsatisfactory on an EICR it is not prevented from being used, you don't isolate the installation at the end of the testing of you find it to be unsatisfactory.

Would you leave it in a dangerous condition then ?

 

[LukeD]

for the purpose of been able to rent .A “pass “ is required as without you cannot let. Playing with words is a waste of time ! A “pass “ means you have achieved the requirements that the test requires and the test is required so the property can be rented out . Its like saying “its good to go”. People still understand the meaning .

 

[LukeD]

They are similar in the respect that they are given without failing or being unsatisfactory.

Exactly !!!

 

[LukeD]

Landlord... “So Whats the result of my EICR test in a property I am renting out “?

tester ..” Its Unsatisfactory , failed, crap , dangerous , dodgy etc


Landlord..” It failed then, I’m in the mess , what the heck , this will cost me money . I cant start renting it as the estate agents cannot market it .


Tester : Its all good, satisfactory , passed , Chicken soup . Cushtie (How do you spell that ! )

Landlord: “ Great its passed , satisfactory all good to go”

 

[davesparks]

Would you leave it in a dangerous condition then ?

I would do whatever is reasonable to reduce the danger of any C1 items, having agreed this with the customer first.
C2 items almost always get left as they are.

 

[mainline]

Landlord... “So Whats the result of my EICR test in a property I am renting out “?

tester ..” Its Unsatisfactory , failed, crap , dangerous , dodgy etc


Landlord..” It failed then, I’m in the mess , what the heck , this will cost me money . I cant start renting it as the estate agents cannot market it .


Tester : Its all good, satisfactory , passed , Chicken soup . Cushtie (How do you spell that ! )

Landlord: “ Great its passed , satisfactory all good to go”

Sorry I couldn’t make it today as my mot was unsatisfactory

 

[mainline]

I would do whatever is reasonable to reduce the danger of any C1 items, having agreed this with the customer first.
C2 items almost always get left as they are.

Guess you wouldn’t consider a situation that’s potentially dangerous and needs urgent attention in actually being so.
although giving them a piece of paper saying it is and leaving it energised.

I guess that’s where an mot inspector wouldn’t allow a car that has a major defect to be driven.

 

[davesparks]

for the purpose of been able to rent .A “pass “ is required as without you cannot let. Playing with words is a waste of time !

It's not playing with words or a waste of time, it is using the correct language to ensure your arse is covered if something goes wrong.

A “pass “ means you have achieved the requirements that the test requires and the test is required so the property can be rented out .

A "pass" means or implies that it is fully compliant, absolutely and completely safe.
"Satisfactory" means that it meets a minimum standard for safety, it is safe as far as you can reasonably see.

Landlord... “So Whats the result of my EICR test in a property I am renting out “?

tester ..” Its Unsatisfactory , failed, crap , dangerous , dodgy etc


Landlord..” It failed then, I’m in the mess , what the heck , this will cost me money . I cant start renting it as the estate agents cannot market it .


Tester : Its all good, satisfactory , passed , Chicken soup . Cushtie (How do you spell that ! )

Landlord: “ Great its passed , satisfactory all good to go”

It doesn't matter what the landlord says or how they understand your words, it matters that you, as a skilled professional have done things correctly.

 

[davesparks]

Guess you wouldn’t consider a situation that’s potentially dangerous and needs urgent attention in actually being so.

If it needs urgent attention then it is immediately dangerous and should be treated as such.

although giving them a piece of paper saying it is and leaving it energised.

If the customer authorised me to isolate it then I would do so, but otherwise an electrician has no authority to just isolate anything.

I guess that’s where an mot inspector wouldn’t allow a car that has a major defect to be driven.

An MOT inspector doesn't prevent a car from being driven in any circumstance.

 

[mainline]

An MOT inspector doesn't prevent a car from being driven in any circumstance.

An examiner can issue a pg9

To protect the authorised examiner (AE) and his staff from prosecution, the AE must ensure that, while the vehicle is in the custody of the VTS, it is not driven on the road

 

[mainline]

When a car fails a mot for a major defect, then it is a criminal offence to drive it on a public road.

 

[mainline]

If it needs urgent attention then it is immediately dangerous and should be treated as such.

You said #36 that C2 items almost always get left as they are.
C2 =Potentially dangerous – urgent remedial action required.

an electrician has no authority to just isolate anything.

That depends on whom the electrician works for.

An MOT inspector doesn't prevent a car from being driven in any circumstance.

You said #29 Yes, if a vehicle fails an MOT it cannot be used on public roads.

 

[LukeD]

You said #36 that C2 items almost always get left as they are.
C2 =Potentially dangerous – urgent remedial action required.

That depends on whom the electrician works for.


You said #29 Yes, if a vehicle fails an MOT it cannot be used on public roads.

Unless you live in Bradford etc !