IT IS NOT WORTH IT!

HappyHippyDad · Jun 25, 2021

Arghhhhhh!!!!

OZEV!!!!! Arghhhhhh!!!!

A RIDICULOUS amount of paperwork and bureaucracy involved with claiming the £350 for fitting an EVCP!!! Arghhhh!!!!

I am not going to do any more.... ever!

I shall get to the end of this one and never do another one! Two hours spent completing just ONE of the MANY forms, whilst trying to get all the miniscule details from the customer. During which time, 2 four month old kittens were continuously jumping on my laptop keyboard, breaking bowls and climbing up the curtains!!! Jeez, what a Fxxxing day.

I am now drinking beer.

7029 dave · Jun 25, 2021

Sounds awful Steve, dont want an electric car anyway. ?

DPG · Jun 25, 2021

You're not entirely happy. I can pick up on these things.

The beer sounds a good idea though. I've just had Flash Black, bottle conditioned.

HappyHippyDad · Jun 25, 2021

7029 dave said:
Sounds awful Steve, dont want an electric car anyway. ?

Good, I'm not bloody fitting the EVCP for you anyway. ?

Gavin John Hyde · Jun 25, 2021

HappyHippyDad said:
Arghhhhhh!!!!

OZEV!!!!! Arghhhhhh!!!!

A RIDICULOUS amount of paperwork and bureaucracy involved with claiming the £350 for fitting an EVCP!!! Arghhhh!!!!

I am not going to do any more.... ever!

I shall get to the end of this one and never do another one! Two hours spent completing just ONE of the MANY forms, whilst trying to get all the miniscule details from the customer. During which time, 2 four month old kittens were continuously jumping on my laptop keyboard, breaking bowls and climbing up the curtains!!! Jeez, what a Fxxxing day.

I am now drinking beer.

You havent had OZEV reject it for a missing signature or date yet! then you can get annoyed...

The answer is EV Comply!

I was abit sceptical to begin with but it speeds things up. completing forms, taking photos, evidence are all done in 1 app.

It does it all via digital forms. yes you pay £20 per job for using the portal but as i typically do around 10-15 a month it simplifies the workload. not all these are ozev funded but for those that are the fee is worth it for the time it saves me. I reckon each £20 spent saves around an hour per job/grant claim.

I have had to manually scan and upload 20 clams before now. foolishly left it until end of month to process it rather than do it as i go. after each job, never again.

PS @HappyHippyDad since you are up the road from Zummerset - if you get any ev enquiries send them my way! especially if you are leaving the OZEV merry go round.

Gavin John Hyde · Jun 25, 2021

HappyHippyDad said:
Good, I'm not bloody fitting the EVCP for you anyway. ?

Have you fitted one for yourself yet? if you get an ev you can do our own now. they used to stop you.
I am fitting a hypervolt charger in next few weeks awaiting my nice electric Kona to arrive.

HappyHippyDad · Jun 25, 2021

Nope, not interested Gavin. Never again. Drinking beer

HappyHippyDad · Jun 25, 2021

Didn't fully read your posts Gavin, sorry, just ranted! I'll send them your way ?

UNG · Jun 26, 2021

I thought with the cats helping your claims would be purrrrrfect???

Baddegg · Jun 26, 2021

Keep at it mate, if it was easy every one would be doing it ?

UNG · Jun 26, 2021

Baddegg said:
Keep at it mate, if it was easy every one would be doing it ?

No pain no gain

Gavin John Hyde · Jun 26, 2021

I should add that less people doing them under the grant then the better for myself. As i have seen a few people fit them locally then stop as they dont like waiting for the money from ozev and the cash flow cripples them. I am currently owed just over 10k by OZEV! A lot of smaller firms cant manage it. Very fortunate in that i have the finances to focus on the ev game.

Welchyboy1 · Jun 26, 2021

Ha! My email to them Wednesday this week!

Lifes too short to be effectively bankrolling their charge point scheme for them
Too much other work going on at the moment, I’ll just wait until the grant ends I think and pick it up from there

I was so pi#£&d off with them I put OLEV instead of OZEV

AJshep · Jun 26, 2021

I still haven’t fitted an EV charger, I completed the course last year and probably get 1 enquiry a week. The local firms near me have all stopped installing under the OZEV scheme for exactly the same reasons.

Even spent the £19 to download the IET digital risk assessment PDF

littlespark · Jun 26, 2021

Send it to OLEV, it'll be sent back........ "Not known at this address!"

Youre not filling me with confidence.... I just did the training.

UNG · Jun 26, 2021

Gavin John Hyde said:
I should add that less people doing them under the grant then the better for myself. As i have seen a few people fit them locally then stop as they dont like waiting for the money from ozev and the cash flow cripples them. I am currently owed just over 10k by OZEV! A lot of smaller firms cant manage it. Very fortunate in that i have the finances to focus on the ev game.

So how long will you have to wait to get that £10k and how much do you charge the customer for financing their under payment

littlespark · Jun 26, 2021

I'll have to check my notes, but to get the grant, the charger has to be for a purely electric car, not a plug-in hybrid?
That kind of narrows down the customer demographic somewhat

Gavin John Hyde · Jun 26, 2021

UNG said:
So how long will you have to wait to get that £10k and how much do you charge the customer for financing their under payment

Averages around 45-60 days from grant submission at end of month charger was installed. Each charger is £350.00. Within my mark up and pricing is basically a 10% profit on that £350.00 to reflect the time to receive payment.. each month i submit another batch and get paid for a previous batch.

HappyHippyDad · Jul 3, 2021

I have submitted the form (s)...

I spent another 4 hours this morning completing it, from 8am till 12!!

You have to send the following..

1. photos of install
2. DNO notification form.
3. Copy of email to DNO.
4. EIC
5. Grant claim form.
6. EVHS form
7. Cover letter for grant.

Horrible!!

My lad and I are now going to treat ourselves to dominoes and ice cream and I will slowly unwind ?

Of course, it's only been submitted, that's not to say they'll even accept it! ?

HappyHippyDad · Jul 3, 2021

I can just see @Gavin John Hyde saying to himself, "how on earth is he taking that long! " ?

mattg4321 · Jul 3, 2021

There seems to be an expectation on here that the grant will end sometime soon, meanwhile we have various people in high up places demanding more money be invested in EV charging by the government - which will presumably be via grants.

Gavin John Hyde · Jul 3, 2021

HappyHippyDad said:
I can just see @Gavin John Hyde saying to himself, "how on earth is he taking that long! " ?

Damn right I am.
Just save all the files as pdfs and name them with customer surname and what it is.
Spreadsheet takes a few minutes, covering letter aswell.

I use EV comply not so much for generating it all in one file but its digital and I can just click save and add it to the required folder ready for submission.

Things you may have missed did you sign the covering letter even if an image of your signature?
Did you include proof you actually sent the dno form to the dno? copy of email will suffice or letter saying no works required and go ahead with install.

These are 2 things they have got a bit pedantic on of late.

Gavin John Hyde · Jul 3, 2021

mattg4321 said:
There seems to be an expectation on here that the grant will end sometime soon, meanwhile we have various people in high up places demanding more money be invested in EV charging by the government - which will presumably be via grants.

OZEV confirmed the grants will all but disappear in current form come March 22. the focus will instead be on shared chargers for hmos, apartment blocks etc.. it will take the smaller guys out of the equation. biggest install I have done to date is 10 chargers at one site. currently quoting for one at a company between 6 and 8 7kw chargers and 2 dc rapid chargers if dno permit them.

HappyHippyDad · Jul 3, 2021

Gavin John Hyde said:
Damn right I am.
Just save all the files as pdfs and name them with customer surname and what it is.
Spreadsheet takes a few minutes, covering letter aswell.

I use EV comply not so much for generating it all in one file but its digital and I can just click save and add it to the required folder ready for submission.

Things you may have missed did you sign the covering letter even if an image of your signature?
Did you include proof you actually sent the dno form to the dno? copy of email will suffice or letter saying no works required and go ahead with install.

These are 2 things they have got a bit pedantic on of late.

Yep, did all that, so fingers crossed it should go through ?

mattg4321 · Jul 4, 2021

Gavin John Hyde said:
OZEV confirmed the grants will all but disappear in current form come March 22. the focus will instead be on shared chargers for hmos, apartment blocks etc.. it will take the smaller guys out of the equation. biggest install I have done to date is 10 chargers at one site. currently quoting for one at a company between 6 and 8 7kw chargers and 2 dc rapid chargers if dno permit them.

You’re much more in the loop on this than I am, but I’d be willing to bet grants will carry on for domestic installations post March 22. I’m not sure the market is mature enough to remove them yet and there seems to be a lot of political momentum behind EV’s at the moment.

Are you suggesting the grants will stop and it will just become a ‘free for all’ and no different from fitting an outside socket other than notifying DNO?

Gavin John Hyde · Jul 4, 2021

mattg4321 said:
You’re much more in the loop on this than I am, but I’d be willing to bet grants will carry on for domestic installations post March 22. I’m not sure the market is mature enough to remove them yet and there seems to be a lot of political momentum behind EV’s at the moment.

Are you suggesting the grants will stop and it will just become a ‘free for all’ and no different from fitting an outside socket other than notifying DNO?

OZEV have already announced and confirmed the grants are radically changing, in their view market is now mature and self sustaining for private households, ie if you can afford to lease, buy an EV at 30K+ you can afford a charge point.

OZEV to transform Electric Vehicle Homecharge Scheme for renters - Zapmap

The Office for Zero Emission Vehicles (OZEV) is planning to transform the Electric Vehicle Homecharge Scheme (EVHS) to support people in rented and...

www.zap-map.com

After this it will be a free for all. with most installs being outside the grants that said the better quality charger companies will it seems take steps to prevent cowboys and rogues installing the chargers.
One company who only sell direct and skip wholesalers will sell you a charger but to have the full smart features it will have to be installed and commissioned by an approved installer. if a non approved installer fits it then the smart features wont work, so why would the customer go to DIY dave?Other installers have indicated that anybody can buy the charger in a wholesaler but again the set up will require login info from the manufacturer which is only going to be given to those who have completed training on the products.

I have noticed a change in the EV market, most customers now know what charger they want and research it. they tend to stay away from the cheaper entry models and go for units costing several hundred pounds.
I cant see the cowboys wanting to get in and start ordering these units weeks ahead of an install as for them its all about cash etc and turnover to disappear into the distance, they may well buy a project ev from toolstation and fit it badly, I say let them. the customers I have and want are the ones who have asked for high end products with price tags to match, I also fit a lot of chargers where people have looked and basically run away as the job is a bit too complex for them and involves some work, its not a fix it to the wall and get paid job.

Simon47 · Jul 4, 2021

Gavin John Hyde said:
One company who only sell direct and skip wholesalers will sell you a charger but to have the full smart features it will have to be installed and commissioned by an approved installer. if a non approved installer fits it then the smart features wont work, so why would the customer go to DIY dave?Other installers have indicated that anybody can buy the charger in a wholesaler but again the set up will require login info from the manufacturer which is only going to be given to those who have completed training on the products.

Well, not that I can afford an EV, they won't get my business. I have a policy of not buying (as far as I can) product which I then don't "own". Sadly it seems to be the way that lots of stuff is going - you "buy" something, but then find out that the manufacturer basically tells you what you can and can't do with it.
Worse are the products which rely on "some vague 'it's in the internet' service" to work - too many outfits have turned off the server and left owners with bricks that no longer do anything.
Ask (for just one example) any Revolv user how it worked out when Google bought the company and then turned off the servers.

stevethesparks · Jul 5, 2021

Surely it would have been far better for the customer to be responsible for claiming any grants rather than the installer.

Gavin John Hyde · Jul 5, 2021

stevethesparks said:
Surely it would have been far better for the customer to be responsible for claiming any grants rather than the installer.

Exactly ... Would be so much easier

telectrix · Jul 5, 2021

but so much easier would mean less civil servants in pointless employment.

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