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So, VATs up 2.5%, there's another 4p on fuel which is going up again in April..... so how much are you folks putting your prices up? I'm not even VAT registered but I reckon I'm going to have to stick my prices up a good 5% to cope with all these hikes.

Happy new year.
 
definitely 5% at least. reckon to date i've been working too cheap, when the back street garage charges £40/hour/grease monkey, think i'm worth at least £30.
 
Got the mrs a spa treatment thing for christmas, an hour and a half of massage was 70 quid !!! The 3 hour option was 160 !! Crazy all they need is a bed and a pair of hands. Another thing her haircuts...cost a bloody fortune anything upwards from 60 quid, tools required pair of scissors.
Thinking of upping my hourly rate by a couple of quid this year.
 
My mam was a hair lady sometimes I wish I should have followed suit and drive a Mini soft top. Prob be better off financially and prob have more girl friends. Seriously though, Most the guys down the Barber shop drive a nice motor, Its a money spinner alright excluding people like me who DIY with my 20 yr old Whal.
 
Not done it this year!

Thought about it, but still quite happy at where my pricing is.

Have looked at other local Electricians charges and I am still near the top of the local pricing.

Will look again in 6months, will probably go up to £40/hour or £250/day in June
 
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The last time I rang around the cheapest I could find in my area was £30 p/h but in reality that just is not true. I think at the mo we need to price job by job and get what you reasonably can.
 
I have to say, back in October/November I was really worried about January, that is the real reason I did not increase my prices.

I am now booking late February for the three of us, I have been lucky, a bit skillfull and worked Damn hard to get it like that, 2011 looks really exciting!
 
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Will look again in 6months, will probably go up to £40/hour or £250/day in June

Whoosh! I've a ways to go before I get there, to be honest I'm pretty close to the bottom at the moment price-wise, but I think it's time for a bit of an increase. I'm always worried about getting work that lately I've been giving everyone very low rates. Fine, I'm working faily regularly, but now at the end of my first year 'on my own' I find I still don't have any money!! Six months ago I had a price and stuck to it, but I seem to have weakened over the last few and I think it's time for a resurgence!
 
Wow! I love all this stick the pin in the page and see what number we get stuff!

Guys.

I know I am a pitiful bore when it comes to this kind of thing, but there IS a way of doing this, remaining competitive, AND still being in business in a year's time.

There's two side to this, of course.

The first is setting the correct rate, and the second is refusing to play the "lowest cost wins" game.

Let's look at the first, first. I posted recently on how to calculate your labour rates properly. Don't guess, and don't be swayed by what your competition is doing.

The formula, in simple terms, is direct costs or overheads, plus Gross Drawings, plus Mark Up, divided by chargeable hours. Chargeable hours, on a one man basis, are typically between 1000 to 1200 tops in a year.

You can work out your overheads easily enough - this is everything that isn't your pay, or materials. Make a list in a spreadsheet, and then adjust all the figures you have for a full year - i.e if you spend £80 a week on fuel for the van, that's around £4160 a year (*do this bit on 52 weeks, not 48). Once you've done that for all the things you pay for - phones, electricity, rent, stationery, advertising, and so on, you have an overhead total. You also need to include training, tools, computer stuff, and so on in that figure.

Once you've arrived at that figure, work out what you need for yourself, realistically, each year. You need the gross figure at this point - e.g. £30,000 or whatever number you have.

Add the two figures together, and then apply a percentage mark up to it - this is for two primary reasons. One is to cover any "missed" items, and the second is that you are, after all, entitled to make a profit if only to reinvest in your business. Typical mark up is around 25% or so.

Having done that, divide the number you arrive at by the realistic maximum number of chargeable hours you have in a year - as I say, a good level is around 1000-1200.

You then have a sensible hourly rate, that will cover you, your business, and your growth/sustainability.

As for the second issue - refusing to play the lowest cost game......

Discounting is the enemy of good business, and so is selling to a lowest price point - even if your competition are. Deal with this in a different way - by countering pricing objections before your potential customer even opens his or her mouth. Develop some simple leaflets, for example, to include with each quote you send out, or invoice, or anything you send out - put it on your website, sing it from the roof - you get the picture. Concentrate on selling the BENEFITS of you, and your business - better quality, longer warranty, branded materials, local service, reliable, always on time, whatever they are - get testimonials from other happy punters and SHOUT them out - make a folder to take with you, each spread showing the customer testimonial one one side, and the other side showing what you did, photo, and how you dealt with the work. In short sell the reason you're worth the extra.

The key thing here is not to "disrespect" any of the competition directly - and very carefully indirectly. Rather than stating that all those five week wonders know nothing, emphasise that you are one of the only electricians in the area who holds full qualifications, and a full apprenticeship......for example.

Of course, another really successful way of setting your rates is to stick a load of numbers in a hat, and pull one out at random :)

Just my newly increased 2p worth - now 2.4p.
 
Its true when your advertising your advertising 'you need more business' well to a point in the point of view of word of mouth in relation to small business'. So many customers are seeking the low price and so many complaining about this and that. It simply far too easy when pricing a job liaising with the client and they say "well we've had a couple of quotes and if you can beat that you have the work" then your number crunching to meet that so called demand to get the work. At times it is a tuff call because any work and income is better than none and being afraid of the slippery path can be a mental smoke screen that deters you from asking and maintaining what you require rather than what the client requires. I think at the end of it you have to ask your self what are you reasonably happy to work for and what are your aspirations and that changes from job to job.

remember so many people take up the middle quote!
 
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Its true when your advertising your advertising 'you need more business' well to a point in the point of view of word of mouth in relation to small business'. So many customers are seeking the low price and so many complaining about this and that. It simply far too easy when pricing a job liaising with the client and they say "well we've had a couple of quotes and if you can beat that you have the work" then your number crunching to meet that so called demand to get the work. At times it is a tuff call because any work and income is better than none and being afraid of the slippery path can be a mental smoke screen that deters you from asking and maintaining what you require rather than what the client requires. I think at the end of it you have to ask your self what are you reasonably happy to work for and what are your aspirations and that changes from job to job.

remember so many people take up the middle quote!

Some valid points.

Advertising though, is more than just making the statement that you need more business.

It's that, for sure, but it is also testimony that you've done business, and that you will do business in the future. It's introducing past success to future prospects.

It is reinforcement in current and future customers' minds that you know your game, that you aren't a "here today, gone tomorrow" type (if your advertising is consistent), and it is validation of what you do.

On the matter of pricing again - there is a growing body of evidence that people do not, any longer automatically go for the middle of any of the quotes they get, but are that little bit more savvy now, and will look a little closer at what they might get for the budget.

The absolute priority when quoting business has to be presentation. Even if you *can* give a price on the spot, it is a bad practice. Take your notes away, type them up, and spend a little time presenting your quote/spec/ideas in the best way you can. Then hand deliver it. That alone will win more sales than price will.
 
some very good posts of Bill as per usual wish i was as clued up business wise mate i know whose posts i need to read or ask questions cheers Bill
 
hi chap happy new year!!

all good posts and well this year Durham Electrics are not going to be a cheap and cheerful contractor!

new prices new Rules..!!

Hourly Rate is going to drop stay put @ £25.00 however my initial first hour price is rising from £25 - £35
i seem to be doing a lot of 1-2 hour jobs and if i can squeeze an extra £10 quid out of a 1 hour job im happy!

my base rate for simple tasks is increasing but not drastically! 5% mark +

CU Change Inc 2 Meters of tails and Earth was £350.00 Now £375.00

call out is dropping from £70+2 hours labour - £40 just for turning up then £25.00 a hour
 
some very good posts of Bill as per usual wish i was as clued up business wise mate i know whose posts i need to read or ask questions cheers Bill

Have to agree there mate Bills posts are always seriously well executed and clearly well delivered.

I like to just say my little bit and get it proof read as I'm a little fish and will always heed bigger fish.

I do feel that the tailored quote is well suited to the small business though especially if scratching for work.

And totally agree about NEVER give a price on the spot because 9 times out of 10 you will play yourself out of pocket. Furthermore having a solid sales background myself do believe presentation is key. Thus couldn't agree with Bill more.

Re advertising my lil sis is in marketing and that is why I advertise as Bill stated.

Psychology says that "repetition is believing" Simple, make them believe in your business and more importantly in you when you elaborate with your presentation.
 
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