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I'd heard (possibly read on a thread here) that there were issues with the climate data on PVSol giving significantly underestimated yield figures as compared with PVGIS - can anyone comment on whether this is still (or ever has been) the case? Was on the verge of buying Pro version but backed off because of this possible issue and use SunnyDesign or equivalent and PVGIS to get performance / yield estimations (which incidently give very close results). Would anyone care to comment on yield estimates differences between from PVSol and PVGIS? Or in fact any experience positive ot negative of using PVSol?

Cheers in advance
 
You can use PVGIS figures in PV Sol using a link on Valentin Software's website. I think the problem with the thread you mention was some bad data for that specific area. I don't think that it is typical of PV Sol figures in general.
 
It was me!!!! Got it sorted (as above) wouldn't be without it - even though I haven't got everything sorted yet. Get someone you know to do a sample survey for you after you've spent hours trying to put it together yourself, that will make the decision for you. I've done that for a couple of non competitive colleagues and they really appreciated having thier data done rather than some random person's data that didin't mean anything.
 
Thanks for your thoughts - I think I need to see PVSol demo'd by someone who is proficient at using it to see whether it will help me shave anything off the time it takes me to put a comprehensive quote together. At the moment it is taking me an hour from getting roof dimensions and azimuth to designing a system and creating all the requisite paperwork for a comprehensive quote for a domestic system upto 4K. I'd be interested to hear how long it takes other folk to do their quotes - e.g. what I consider to be the ars*y bit of the job.
 
It takes me hours to put a quote together and really depends on how many factors are affecting the site.

If there are lot of shading issues and the roof is complex then it usually takes me around six hours or so to put a pack together. We normally quote for three different systems and include a lot of data and pictures from PV Sol Expert.

I can't praise the shading calculations of PV Sol Expert enough. We visited a customer a few weeks ago and we were discussing the layout of his panels on his roof. The shadow cast by the trees and neigbours property were near enough exact. By using this data, we could make sure we kept the panels away from the worst affected areas. It impressed him and we expect to get some more work off the back of it.

I don't think I've ever quoted anything in under an hour!
 
Thanks for your thoughts - I think I need to see PVSol demo'd by someone who is proficient at using it to see whether it will help me shave anything off the time it takes me to put a comprehensive quote together. At the moment it is taking me an hour from getting roof dimensions and azimuth to designing a system and creating all the requisite paperwork for a comprehensive quote for a domestic system upto 4K. I'd be interested to hear how long it takes other folk to do their quotes - e.g. what I consider to be the ars*y bit of the job.

Good God I'd be delighted if I could get them done in an hour! Even with PVSOL which has made things quite a bit easier it takes at least 3 hours. I guess it all depends on whether you listen to what your customer wants, or just sell them what you want ..... the reason why we get a lot of recommendations is because we do the former not the latter. Maybe we're just making a rod for our own backs.
 
I can't praise the shading calculations of PV Sol Expert enough. We visited a customer a few weeks ago and we were discussing the layout of his panels on his roof. The shadow cast by the trees and neigbours property were near enough exact. By using this data, we could make sure we kept the panels away from the worst affected areas. It impressed him and we expect to get some more work off the back of it.

We are at the point where we think we should make the jump to PVSOL Expert. As with you we hope it will lead to more work as many of our local installers can't be bothered with shading, so many low lying fruits if they loose a customer because they see through the bullsh!t it is no big loss to them.

We have a job coming up where we intend to use Micro inverters and I have heard PVSOL does not handle them very well. Have you any experience with this?
 
I'm not sure if PV Sol does handle micro-inverters well. In heavily shaded locations, in just the locations where you'd expect the microinverter to excel, the results come out lower than a standard string inverter.
 
I am having this problem at the moment. I am now thinking that the shading proportion is applied to the total output figure in PVSol rather than assessing the impact on the array on a panel by panel basis. Does this mean that PVSol does not take into consideration partial shading effects. On paper it looks at the moment like a single SMA inverter trumps enecsys micro inverters where reduction in yield due to shading is at 14%! I know this is doubtless not the case but would like to be able to demonstrate this to the customer.
 
I have been looking at this in a little more detail. There is definitely a discrepency between string and micro inverters in a shaded situation. The micro inverters seem to underperfom the string inverter by a clear margin. But interestingly the micro inverters show an increase in yield when run through the software separately as opposed to in an array formation. To do this I set up the array as normal in 3D mode and then deleted all but one panel and assigned 1 micro inverter, then output the results. I did this in turn for each of the 14 panels in the array that I am working on and the results were as follows (shading is a big problem in this instance):

14 no Sharp HIT H250-EO1 250W panels with SMA SB 3300 = output 2,787.6 kWh
14 no Sharp HIT H250-EO1 250W panels with 14 no Enecsys SMI-S240W-72-UK micro inverters = output 2,586.8 kWh
14 no Sharp HIT H250-EO1 250W panels with 14 no Enecsys SMI-S240W-72-UK micro inverters (run individually through PV Sol 1 at a time then output totalled manually) = output 2,776.78 kWh

I have reported this to The Solar Design company and have sent through the project files for them to look at, though at the moment they cannot offer an explanation as to why this is happening. I am left wondering whether the individual totals are correct or whether they are still off the mark?

I had hoped that the micro inverters would be the answer in this situation as the customer is very keen on PV, but the combined output is dissapointing. Does anyone else have a better way of estimating yield from micro inverters? It will be difficult to justify the expense when the yield forecasts are no better than a string inverter. There is little assistance on manufacturer's site and in documentation.
 
I have had 21 Enecsys Inverters installed since Feb 2011, my estimated annual generation 2992kWh pa, we are now only 110kWh off this and have October to February in which to generate it. I believe the 5%-20% extra harvesting.
 

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