Speeding

ed-ectrician · Sep 22, 2012

I got my licence two days ago and was going 35 on my astra's speedo. Half way thru the lines i braked to 30. Does it work out average speed thru the lines? Didnt flash but was really sunny. Happened on a1000 in hertfordshire. Reckon i'll be ok? 9 year old car, so speedo's prob not too accurate in my favour right?! If i did get caught would i be offered the driving awareness test do you reckon or would they come down hard on me as i just got my licence?! Bricking it! Thanks.

alarm man · Sep 22, 2012

ed-ectrician said:
I got my licence two days ago and was going 35 on my astra's speedo. Half way thru the lines i braked to 30. Does it work out average speed thru the lines? Didnt flash but was really sunny. Happened on a1000 in hertfordshire. Reckon i'll be ok? 9 year old car, so speedo's prob not too accurate in my favour right?! If i did get caught would i be offered the driving awareness test do you reckon or would they come down hard on me as i just got my licence?! Bricking it! Thanks.

i think its about 3% over for a speedo so 35 was probably around 32,i find my satnav is more or less spot on with speed reading,30 mph on sat nav is around 33 on speedo on my astra,you might be lucky this time ed..:wink5:

Robotstar5 · Sep 22, 2012

Most cameras seem to be set 7 or 9mph over the posted limit, also most authorities can't afford to have a camera in every box so I reckon you'll be OK.

kingeri · Sep 22, 2012

It's 3% of speed limit + 3mph, so would be 34mph in a 30 zone before camera triggers.

ed-ectrician · Sep 22, 2012

3% plus 3mph is 36 though right?

ian.settle1 · Sep 22, 2012

ed-ectrician said:
I got my licence two days ago and was going 35 on my astra's speedo. Half way thru the lines i braked to 30. Does it work out average speed thru the lines? Didnt flash but was really sunny. Happened on a1000 in hertfordshire. Reckon i'll be ok? 9 year old car, so speedo's prob not too accurate in my favour right?! If i did get caught would i be offered the driving awareness test do you reckon or would they come down hard on me as i just got my licence?! Bricking it! Thanks.

It's not the lines you have to worry about but the time you have taken to go over the loop detecters, the lines are there to determine the distance travelled when loop detectors are activated.

As to it not flashing don't really on that as I got caught some years ago and the was no flash.

alarm man · Sep 22, 2012

ian.settle1 said:
It's not the lines you have to worry about but the time you have taken to go over the loop detecters, the lines are there to determine the distance travelled when loop detectors are activated.

As to it not flashing don't really on that as I got caught some years ago and the was no flash.

depends on the camera,gatso gets you from behind,theres a pun somewhere in there,truvelo get you from the front,the later doesnt flash but has different road markings..

Guest111 · Sep 22, 2012

The general rule is 10% plus 3 to allow for inaccuracy on a car speedo,I would try and be a bit carefull if I were you as if you get 6 points in the first 2 years of driving you have to do a retest.

kingeri · Sep 22, 2012

phil d said:
The general rule is 10% plus 3 to allow for inaccuracy on a car speedo,I would try and be a bit carefull if I were you as if you get 6 points in the first 2 years of driving you have to do a retest.

Phil's right. Forget what I said, was totally confused/rushing. Safest bet is to keep to speed limit though!

ed-ectrician · Sep 22, 2012

Absolutely. Learnt my lesson today. Gonna be super careful. Not gonna make a habit of it and i'm a good driver. Just didnt want the potential ban if it happened again or the raised premiums on top of the 1900 i paid for this yr's insurance that 3 points brings!!

Guest111 · Sep 22, 2012

Hot tip for those cameras on motorways where they clock you over a distance,if say you are in lane 3 doing 65 and its a 50 limit swap to another lane before you come to the second camera and it doesnt get you.Apparently the camera for each lane only reads what happens in that lane so if you change lanes it sees you going in but doesnt see you going out.Got that tip off a traffic cop that I know,apparently they do it a lot.

Des 56 · Sep 22, 2012

I don't think the speed awareness course would apply to a new driver

alarm man · Sep 22, 2012

phil d said:
Hot tip for those cameras on motorways where they clock you over a distance,if say you are in lane 3 doing 65 and its a 50 limit swap to another lane before you come to the second camera and it doesnt get you.Apparently the camera for each lane only reads what happens in that lane so if you change lanes it sees you going in but doesnt see you going out.Got that tip off a traffic cop that I know,apparently they do it a lot.

duff info there mate,specs use anpr so doesnt matter what lane your in..

trev · Sep 22, 2012

I thought I'd gotten away with it last night, got pulled over for speeding by a female cop so I started to give her the patter. After a few minutes I said "You know what it is love, you're gorgeous" She was lapping it up until I added "And that's not just the drink talking"

ruston · Sep 22, 2012

alarm man said:
duff info there mate,specs use anpr so doesnt matter what lane your in..

Even get you if you are in a commercial , nowhere to hide now!

trev · Sep 22, 2012

Mind you, if you got your licence 2 days ago and are already disregarding the rules, do you deserve to have it?

nikmet · Sep 22, 2012

alarm man said:
duff info there mate,specs use anpr so doesnt matter what lane your in..

I read that if you change lanes between cameras, yes they will still get your registration number, but you cant be prosecuted as when the cameras were first tested-licenced for use the full multi lane testing wasn't done to save government money..(as usual)....therefore its a technicality that they are only able to prosecute speeders who enter and exit in same lane http://www.standard.co.uk/news/drivers-can-avoid-speeding-ticketsby-changing-lanes-7190770.html

alarm man · Sep 22, 2012

nikmet said:
I read that if you change lanes between cameras, yes they will still get your registration number, but you cant be prosecuted as when the cameras were first tested-licenced for use the full multi lane testing wasn't done to save government money..(as usual)....therefore its a technicality that they are only able to prosecute speeders who enter and exit in same lane Drivers can avoid speeding tickets...by changing lanes - News - Evening Standard

a few years ago it was,

cbw · Sep 22, 2012

I was also lead to believe that they had now fixed this loophole.................

I overtook an unmarked car the other day at 125mph, had my blue lights on, he did however follow me to the crash and had words about being a bit excessive!!!!

ed-ectrician · Sep 22, 2012

Appreciate how it may look but it was straight after a 40 zone going to a 30 zone. I'm not a reckless idiot. Generally a safe driver and this scare has def made me think. Sticking to limits all the time now. Cheers fellas

Robotstar5 · Sep 22, 2012

Don't know about other makes, but my Tomtom satnav warns you if more than 3mph over the speed limit.

Jonesy83 · Sep 22, 2012

ed-ectrician said:
Appreciate how it may look but it was straight after a 40 zone going to a 30 zone. I'm not a reckless idiot. Generally a safe driver and this scare has def made me think. Sticking to limits all the time now. Cheers fellas

what you have to remember that when you see a sign that says 30 after a 40 there could well be a fixed camera or a van right behind that sign and if you ever drive in wales word of warning they have more mobile cameras than sheep

Knobhead · Sep 23, 2012

I hate to say this, but there's some rotten maths in here. 30+3%=30.9

ruston · Sep 23, 2012

Jonesy83 said:
what you have to remember that when you see a sign that says 30 after a 40 there could well be a fixed camera or a van right behind that sign and if you ever drive in wales word of warning they have more mobile cameras than sheep

They used to sit just after the fixed cameras here , most people put the foot down when they think they are clear.

Darkwood · Sep 23, 2012

Tony said:
I hate to say this, but there's some rotten maths in here. 30+3%=30.9

Just reading through myself and thought if basic % is a problem how the hell do they cope with cable calcs :stupid:

ruston · Sep 23, 2012

Maybe getting mixed up with the result , At 30 it is 3 mph (spedo error) + 1mph , unless it has changed.

Richard Burns · Sep 23, 2012

Generally I believe that the figures used are 10% of the speed limit plus between 2-4 mph depending on how short of money they are, sorry how lenient they are.
This would be minimum of 35mph in a 30 zone, though I think they are a little more close when you get down to 30 zones.

Even if a camera flashes it may not record, though digital and networking is more of a nuisance now. It used to be that the best time to speed was on a Saturday morning because all the drivers rushing home on Friday night would have filled the cameras storage capacity!

drew35 · Sep 23, 2012

For a fact its 10% plus 10mph, so a fixed camera in a 30 zone will go off at 43mph, its the same if you get pulled over by a camera car, up to 42mph is down to copper discretion so don't be a cock, over 42mph its automatic 3 points and a fine. Mobile camera vans are a different story.

On a motorway if you see distance marks on the ground under a gantry and there is a speed reduction showing, if the speed has a red circle around it that means the camera's are active.

Over a 100mph is the serious mark as well so if you get pulled doing over when asked say 95!

Working for the police I used to have a list of when and where the mobile camera vans would be, and what they were having a push on, small number plates that kind of thing.

And also a speedo can be up to 10% inaccurate to allow for tolerance, but mainly tire wear, but they always over read not under! The ones in cop cars are specially re calibrated by the manufacturer for greater accuracy.

ruston · Sep 23, 2012

drew35 said:
For a fact its 10% plus 10mph, so a fixed camera in a 30 zone will go off at 43mph, its the same if you get pulled over by a camera car, up to 42mph is down to copper discretion so don't be a cock, over 42mph its automatic 3 points and a fine. Mobile camera vans are a different story.

On a motorway if you see distance marks on the ground under a gantry and there is a speed reduction showing, if the speed has a red circle around it that means the camera's are active.

Over a 100mph is the serious mark as well so if you get pulled doing over when asked say 95!

Working for the police I used to have a list of when and where the mobile camera vans would be, and what they were having a push on, small number plates that kind of thing.

And also a speedo can be up to 10% inaccurate to allow for tolerance, but mainly tire wear, but they always over read not under! The ones in cop cars are specially re calibrated by the manufacturer for greater accuracy.

The location of mobile cameras can be found on the Police website in our area , probably in other areas too.

Engineer54 · Sep 23, 2012

alarm man said:
i think its about 3% over for a speedo so 35 was probably around 32,i find my satnav is more or less spot on with speed reading,30 mph on sat nav is around 33 on speedo on my astra,you might be lucky this time ed..:wink5:

Now i'm going back more than just a few years here, in the time of the MK2/MK3 Cortina!! lol!! What i can tel you here, is that the standard instrument unit had a calibration mark on the speedo of ''plus or minus 10%''. On the Police special orders instrument units the calibration mark on the speedo was ''plus or minus 2.5%''. Whether that is still the norm, or not, i have no idea.

tidyboiler · Sep 23, 2012

I got caught doing 34 in a 30 zone in Abergele................. :6: thought I'd got away with it.................... :cry_smile:

Darkwood · Sep 23, 2012

drew35 said:
For a fact its 10% plus 10mph, so a fixed camera in a 30 zone will go off at 43mph, its the same if you get pulled over by a camera car, up to 42mph is down to copper discretion so don't be a cock, over 42mph its automatic 3 points and a fine. Mobile camera vans are a different story.

Dont know where you source your 'Fact' information from but unless its a local set-up to you it isnt true, if you exceed a 30mph by more than 15mph its a court referal and points and fine are subject to the the court rulings usually 6 points for such a speed but not always, i have 4 speed cams on my road and often end up in conversations regarding the trigger speed the locals i know have been nabbed at by fixed cams, 36 upwards tend to be the norm although it has been as low as 34 for 1 unlucky person.
Traffic cops tend to give allowances up to 85 on the motorway but will come down harder when caught above this but its usually down to the individual case and traffic cops descretion like tail-gating aggressive driving traits etc will all make you stick out like a sore thumb against other speeders, this refers to dashboard cams, mobile speed vans will prosecute 100% of speeders above the tolerance speed for that road, tolerances are set according to road and surroundings if it near a school the tolerences will be lower as it less likely they can successfully appeal