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Like I said not me, but you're right it has been suggested and I agree, you can't stockpile medicine for some unknown virus.
But it's still taking away from the point re PPE and letting the government off the hook.
Like I said not me, but you're right it has been suggested and I agree, you can't stockpile medicine for some unknown virus.
But it's still taking away from the point re PPE and letting the government off the hook.
OK, so what PPE did they need to stockpile, for a virus they didn't know was coming or what type of infection it would cause?
Wow... you're a genius !! If only you were running the NHS we wouldn't have any problems at all...Well, the PPE isn't there is it. Switch on the news, you'll soon see yet another healthcare professional testifying to that fact.
It's difficult for me to see the government's response to this in a positive light. We all watched the pandemic grow in China, and their people started dropping like flies, and it spread beyond Chinas borders to other nations where their people started dropping like flies, and then it arrived here, and it spread and we all know what is going to happen. It didn't happen overnight. Any simpleton could have predicted this.
Why did our leaders wait until the pandemic had already taken hold here before taking action? Why did they wait until just 2 weeks ago to request industry start thinking about building ventilators, knowing full well how unprepared the NHS is for this. Why have they ordered 10000 ventilators from a company that doesn't build ventilators, when there are companies that do, and are all ready to do so? Why did they miss the deadline for the EU procurement scheme, blaming it on a communications mix up? Why weren't they stockpiling medicine, PPE, and testing kits back in January?
Are you serious?Wow... you're a genius !! If only you were running the NHS we wouldn't have any problems at all...
You know far more than all the hundreds of experts that have been brought in over the years to reform an organisation that is so vast and so seeped in it's own culture that it's un-reformable. An organisation that has been put on a pedestal and worshipped by every single politician for the last 30 years... and that pedestal just gets higher and higher...
My post did not say the government needed to stockpile every piece of equipment for every eventuality indefinitely. It said they could see what was coming from January, having watched it all unfold in China, and have had chance to act much sooner.
There is not enough PPE to go round. What is there has been diverted to the NHS, and care homes, nursing homes etc are missing out. Turn on BBC news 24 and sooner or later you will see this
PPE! Gloves, masks, hand sanitiser! Generic medical stuff
This is rubbish and abusive.Wow... you're a genius !! If only you were running the NHS we wouldn't have any problems at all...
You know far more than all the hundreds of experts that have been brought in over the years to reform an organisation that is so vast and so seeped in it's own culture that it's un-reformable. An organisation that has been put on a pedestal and worshipped by every single politician for the last 30 years... and that pedestal just gets higher and higher...
Are you serious?
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Do you really think this governments response has been adequate?
Managing a pandemic is a very very complex task... and goes way beyond ordering 20,000 ventilators. Personally... I wouldn't know where to start... I'd rather have a go at designing the next fighter jet !Are you serious?
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Do you really think this governments response has been adequate?
The number of 'cases' is an utterly irrelevant figure... it is estimated that in the UK there are several million that have either had it or still have it ! And likewise in Germany...Here are some corona statistics that are worth looking at, 1st the UK, 2nd Germany. Have a close look at them, particularly the total corona cases graph, and the daily new death graph. One major difference between the two countries responses to the pandemic are that Germany is testing way more than we are here.
United Kingdom COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
United Kingdom Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.www.worldometers.info
Germany COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Germany Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.www.worldometers.info
Agreed... I actually read two stories on the same news site this weekend... one article was banging on about how Boris & co. were getting tested above NHS frontline... and the other article was moaning about why they weren't tested sooner !!If the govt had set these lockdown restrictions too early, ie when there was only a handful of cases in the U.K, people would have argued they were overreacting, and not done what was advised.... which is exactly what happened when the lighter restrictions came in.
Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
Here are some corona statistics that are worth looking at, 1st the UK, 2nd Germany. Have a close look at them, particularly the total corona cases graph, and the daily new death graph. One major difference between the two countries responses to the pandemic are that Germany is testing way more than we are here.
United Kingdom COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
United Kingdom Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.www.worldometers.info
Germany COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Germany Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.www.worldometers.info
I'm sure you're right. And what of the deaths? Do you think that by only testing people once they have been hospitalised, you are increasing their risk of dying?The number of 'cases' is an utterly irrelevant figure... it is estimated that in the UK there are several million that have either had it or still have it ! And likewise in Germany...
The vast majority of people that have had the virus... have very mild symptoms or none at all. So are you suggesting that we should hospitalise everyone that has it ?I'm sure you're right. And what of the deaths? Do you think that by only testing people once they have been hospitalised, you are increasing their risk of dying?
Zerax. I have to ask you, are you being deliberately disingenuous?The vast majority of people that have had the virus... have very mild symptoms or none at all. So are you suggesting that we should hospitalise everyone that has it ?
Testing is relevant now to find out who has had it (the antibody test) so that we can carry on without being locked down further.
A doctor was quoted the other day as saying that about ⅔ of all those that have died so far would have died anyway within the year... they were that unwell with other things wrong with them.
Which bit have I misunderstood ?Zerax. I have to ask you, are you being deliberately disingenuous?
It's ok mate, don't worry about itWhich bit have I misunderstood ?
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