Hi guys,Just looking for some advice!Basically I'm looking to become registered with the elesca! I'm not worried about the assessment itself!However as I'm newish to the industry although I feel I'm competent I don't actually have any previous work to show them!So I'm in the position that I need previous work to show them to be assessed but at same time I need to be registered with them so I can start up and start trading so I cAn sign my own work off!Any advice is greatly appreciated
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paulthemagpie, weren't you asking us questions about your training course a few weeks ago, such as cable sizing, volt drops, MCB sizing etc? I seem to recall you saying that it would be a few years before you felt competent enough to work in the profession on your own. Has something changed that you now feel able to register as a competent person and start signing your work off (even tho you don't have anything to show an assessor)?
I confess to being a little confused....
I confess to being a little confused....
It's just something I'm considering over the next few months so wanted to get advice on it!
But how can I look to carry out suitable jobs because I get sign off?
I said it would take me a year but that was to learn everything including commercial and all my onsite dairy stuff that would prob take up a lot of the time. I feel I am competent now but wouldn't want to set up for another few months as a minimum!
Thanks nikmet!What is the timeframe?Could be bit of a nightmare as once you send your app into the elesca it will be like 4 to 6 weeks after your assessment is! So it's getting the right type of jobs at the right time! And with just starting out they is a chance I don't get the right type of jobs
You must be a fast learner. :wink5:
12 months in ample time for someone who has no other distractions
But I don't mean to be rude! I wasnt asking about that but just advice about being p part registered for when the time is right!
I've wonder about this one, sort of chicken or egg situation, for those being a sole trader. I'm retiring next year and looking to go back to being an electrician (after all my courses etc!), I suppose you could some work that is not notifiable and get that assessed. I've read some guys doing such work in their own house for assessment?
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JUD
The work you're assessed on has to be a notifiable job.
As others have said carry out a notifiable job, get assessed on it and notify Elecsa afterwards.
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Welchyboy
by the sounds of things if you wait until the new Part P revision has been amended you can just get another domestic installer to sign off your jobs for you
and to be totally honest with you i doubt elecsa will even ask wether or not the job has been signed off or not anyway as long as your cheque clears ok
and to be totally honest with you i doubt elecsa will even ask wether or not the job has been signed off or not anyway as long as your cheque clears ok
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Octopus
So as a sole trader, how do you do work (notifiable) for an assessment, but you can't because you are not registered with an approved body
You book your assessment, do the notifiable work, pass the assessment, and then notify the job.
Its not difficult.
Do a search on here -its be done to death.
Okay, obviously not as complicated as I thought or perhaps should be. I'll take your advice and do some searching.
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Octopus
Call Elecsa tomorrow and they will send you an information pack.
Speak to your local building control office. Use bog standard certificates and then you can get them to check and sign off your work (for a fee!) and then use those jobs for your assessment. Not done it myself but I emailed the NIC recently with similar question and that was what they told me to do. good luck!
Notiying BC will be expensive, can't remember what it is in my area but 3 figures I think.
For their 1st assessment many guys do some work on thier own house or a close friend/relation - typically change CU.
So apply to Elecsa, get a date, do the work just before the assessment date, get assessed and pass, then notify BC through Elecsa within 30 days of doing the job!
Yes, that's one reason I went with ELECSA rather than NICEIC. I had heard that ELECSA will let you notify after the event whereas NICEIC want you to get the LABC involved. During the assessment, they didn't ask whether the job had been notified. So, in my area, joining ELECSA could be £300 cheaper than joining NICEIC.
Here's their advice;
'Prior to registration with a Part P Competent Person Scheme any work carried out should be notified to Building Control prior to the commencement of works. I will send you information about registration separately. After April 6 2013 and NVQ level 3 will be required, as current information stands'.
I take it that means paying a fee to my LBC (currently £400 + vat :laugh
. NVQ3? I have a JIB card which proves my Approved Electrician Apprenticeship, does that cover that?
'Prior to registration with a Part P Competent Person Scheme any work carried out should be notified to Building Control prior to the commencement of works. I will send you information about registration separately. After April 6 2013 and NVQ level 3 will be required, as current information stands'.
I take it that means paying a fee to my LBC (currently £400 + vat :laugh
. NVQ3? I have a JIB card which proves my Approved Electrician Apprenticeship, does that cover that?
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prg13
just wanted to clarify with elecsa who imho are by far the best(have been with nic and nappit) for your first job and assessment you can do a notifyable job on your own property but only the first assessment.my apartment is new with a 17th edition board very neatly done as well,so i just tested and did an eic assessor great guy very helpful. passed never asked about wether or not it had been notified but they dont anyway. never bothered notifying it either. simples happy days.
So just to clarify, you didn't install your CU just tested it? The reply from I received from elecsa stated;
· Installation certificates for the last 12 months
· Work for site visit – no more than 20 minutes from home or office address. We can also accept work completed within the last 12 months on your own property.
Were they aware you hadn't installed the CU? What sort of 'work' do they accept?
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prg13
hi no they were not aware that i did not actually install the cu, i cheated a bit and told them i did, also elecsa are fully aware that some applicants are just starting out and may not have work or certificates to show, so for the first assessment only they will allow 1 site and it can be at your own property.
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Dannyspark
I really wouldn't post things like this on here. This is probably illegal and certainly contravenes your agreement with your scheme provider. This type of activity is what gives Electrical Trainee electricians a bad reputation on this forum. Poor, very poor!
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Octopus
So you lied to your scheme. God help your customers.
For clarity this is aimed at post #28
For clarity this is aimed at post #28
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RISElectrical
Here's their advice;
'Prior to registration with a Part P Competent Person Scheme any work carried out should be notified to Building Control prior to the commencement of works. I will send you information about registration separately. After April 6 2013 and NVQ level 3 will be required, as current information stands'.
I take it that means paying a fee to my LBC (currently £400 + vat :laugh
Requiring a NVQ3 is a step in the right direction IMO however it also needs to take into account those without an NVQ 3 but having a time served apprenticeship. I think that just having the 17th edition is stupid and doesn't show competence and as an above post suggests the assessments are easy to get round proving competence
I know that this has been said before, but this whole thing seems poorly thought through. I suspect there are many people in my position and others joining the industry from new, who want to work for themselves. Wouldn't it be a better way to verify person’s abilities in a more controlled way in a training centre and assessing them there. I can understand an electrician showing some of his/hers work for recertification, but not for initial assessment. These bodies charge enough, couldn’t they provide some centers,where you could attend install a CU for example, and be observed installing testing etc.
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Welchyboy
yes but surely thats where the problem lies, people coming into the trade from new with little or no experience and wanting to work on their own unsupervised in peoples houses straight away as no company will take them on
I think that if you hold a current JIB gold Card this would automatically pass you for your registration and first years practical assessment(still an office visit to check insurance etc)
this would be fair on decent sparks moving from employment to self-employment and also give otherwise competant but albeit moaning sparks a kick up the arris to do an NVQ3 and get the gold card sorted
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ste_miller21
my advise is dont do it. I registered with Elecsa in December. cost over £600 for the assessment and insurance, then £50 on top of that for the certs from Elecsa. (on top youve got other outlays advertising upgrading tools etc) since December ive only had two jobs to the value of £80.
personally unless you are a proper time served spark with loads of contacts to pass you the work I'd have to way up the pros and cons.
ive made the wrong chose to register with Elecsa and its an expensive LOSS
personally unless you are a proper time served spark with loads of contacts to pass you the work I'd have to way up the pros and cons.
ive made the wrong chose to register with Elecsa and its an expensive LOSS
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Octopus
So who would have been cheaper then?
and this experience also goes to show that you need to do you numbers before embarking on training, buying tools and joining schemes. Time after time people think they can get trained for a few quid, buy a few 2nd hand tools and do everything on the cheap! AND still make a living.
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ste_miller21
i know i did it wrong, i trained through a local college, worked for local companies and bought bits of tools when needed and could afford. 18 months ago it was booming and started to plan taking the plunge. but since then jobs are hard to find and few and far between. ive only had a white goods company use me to connect cooker plates up.......
i do agree that experience is vital if not more vital than the actual qualification.......i am actually trying to advise against trying to trade without the right experience on the tools before hand
i do agree that experience is vital if not more vital than the actual qualification.......i am actually trying to advise against trying to trade without the right experience on the tools before hand
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I'm not arguing about experience, I think that's a given. I just think the first assessments, should be done in more contolled conditions.
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diy_electrician
Hi, I was looking to register with elesca also and wanted to know the exact same question, so I asked them,” how do I do a notify able job for you to assess when im not allowed to”, they told me that they will not check with building control and I could register the job once they had seen it. Seems to me it’s all about them getting their money.
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