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Oliver Par

I'm new to this, so please bear with me.

We had a 14 panel 3.6kW system installed the day before yesterday and I would like to know if it is doing ok. We are South facing, 37% roof angle.

Yesterday it made 17.61kW. This is the figure I actually took of the meter, not the inverter. It was sunny, but quite hazy. It seemed to have spend quite a bit of the morning (and possibly some of it's energy on the start up), but this morning I got up and it was already running.

So how much did your system make? If it's not the same size as ours, could you give details please?

Thanks,
Oli
 
Congrats on the new system. Looks OK to me.
4kw system - we made 21kwH yesterday :shades_smile:
Comparing systems is fraught with difficulty - location, orientation, roof pitch, shading etc means no two systems are the same (never mind panel type or system wiring etc)

You could check out www.pvoutput.org or BDPV - home - Guide for Photovoltaics for systems in your area - both sites let you compare systems, can be useful if you pick a few that are of similar size / location / orientation.
 
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Generation is highly dependent on the amount of direct sun. Hazy sun, partial cloud or full dark cloud cover make a big negative impact on generation.

My 3.6kW inverter (3.75kWp) faces SouthEast, 40-degree pitch, located in East Anglia, and it generated 11kWh yesterday.
It is very capable of much more, but we had heavy cloud cover for a good part of the morning, just as the sun would have been in optimum position facing my panels.

Today, with it being bright, clear sunshine since daybreak and expected to remain so all day, I expect my generation will be a little over 20kWh. I'll report back later with the final tally, but I just looked and it had done 7.4kWh so far today (timed at 10.40am).
 
Generation is highly dependent on the amount of direct sun. Hazy sun, partial cloud or full dark cloud cover make a big negative impact on generation.

My 3.6kW inverter (3.75kWp) faces SouthEast, 40-degree pitch, located in East Anglia, and it generated 11kWh yesterday.
It is very capable of much more, but we had heavy cloud cover for a good part of the morning, just as the sun would have been in optimum position facing my panels.

Today, with it being bright, clear sunshine since daybreak and expected to remain so all day, I expect my generation will be a little over 20kWh. I'll report back later with the final tally, but I just looked and it had done 7.4kWh so far today (timed at 10.40am).
sorry to hijack the thread, but it's a query relative . as i have a similar roof type to yours, albeit in cheshire. basically, it's SE facing, 40 deg. no shading. i am wondering if it's worth considering PV, as sun is only on this side of the roof till around 2.00p.m, at which time, shading from the chimney would affect it for a whiloe, and then the sun would be on the NW side, which is subject to shading from trees.
 
4 Kw System, Between East and South-East facing, 30 degrees, no shading... 16 kWh

Best day since installing the system about a month ago.
 
sorry to hijack the thread, but it's a query relative . as i have a similar roof type to yours, albeit in cheshire. basically, it's SE facing, 40 deg. no shading. i am wondering if it's worth considering PV, as sun is only on this side of the roof till around 2.00p.m, at which time, shading from the chimney would affect it for a whiloe, and then the sun would be on the NW side, which is subject to shading from trees.

My panels also only receive sun until mid-afternoon. In any case, the best generation is always when the sun is directly in front of the panels.
I put the following on another topic yesterday, which gives an idea of generation:

On a nice day, power generation typically looks like this (in recent weeks, before the clocks changed!):
7am: 0.5kW (0.5kW total, 3% of day's total)
8am: 1kW (1.5kW total, 9% of day's total)
9am: 2kW (3.5kW total, 20% of day's total)
10am: 3kW (6.5kW total, 37% of day's total)
11am: 3kW (9.5kW total, 55% of day's total)
12noon: 2.5Kw (12kW total, 69% of day's total)
1pm: 2kW (14kW total, 81% of day's total)
2pm: 1.5kW (15.5kW total, 89% of day's total)
3pm: 1kW (16.5kW total, 95% of day's total)
4pm: 0.5kW (17kW total, 98% of day's total)
5pm: 0.25kW (17.25kW total, 99% of day's total)
6pm: 0.1kW (17.35kW total)

In other words: a rapid rise in the mornings, followed by holding close to the peak for an hour, followed by a steady trailing-off afterwards.

On a reasonably good day, you can see that before the clocks changed:
by 10am I have over one-third of my day's quota.
by 11am I have over half of my day's quota.
by noon, I have over two-thirds of my day's quota.
by 2pm I have almost 90% of my day's quota; what happens after 2pm is negligible (when the sun has gone the other side of the house and my panels are effectively in shade).

So with a SouthEast-facing system, I would not be particularly concerned about where the sun is after 2pm.

What I would be concerned with, is whether you like the likely payback relative to the cost, given that the Feed-in-Tariff has recently been reduced to 21p.
Personally, I think it is still viable, but, unlike a bank account where the money can be got back at any time, the outlay on the panels is dead money and 1/25th of their cost should be deducted from the annual revenue they generate.
Also be wary of salesmen using high inflation expectations and high energy price increases to flatter the "profit" calculations when they quote you.

Let's say my 3.6kW (3.75kWp) system cost £10k - for argument's sake.
I must "depreciate" 1/25th of £10k (£400) each year to reflect that, unlike a bank account, I won't be able to ask for my money back.
I'm likely to generate around 3000kWh according to the government SAP calculations.
At 21p FiT, plus 0.5x3.1p for "export tariff", that would be £677 pear year in payments, plus about one-third savings on my electricity bill (about £150 per year).
From that £677, I must "depreciate" the £400 from not being able to get my money back from the panels, and can add-in what I save in electricity.
This leaves me with £677-400+150 per year, which is £427 per year, on £10k, which is 4.27%

The FiT payments have inflation linking, so if inflation and the cost of power sticks to the Bank of England's target of 3%, we can add that to the 4.27% "return", for a total return of 7.27% per year.
Or you could view it as a 4.27% bond, with inflation linking.

If, like some on here, you believe that power prices will continue to soar, or if inflation remains higher than the Bank of England's targets, then the gains and savings you make form PV will be even better.
But I prefer to suggest a "baseline" scenario, to avoid disappointment.
 
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Sw Scotland south SE Facing Roof of about 45 deg. 18x200kioto panels and Aurora 3.6OUT inverter. Hazy but bright 16.8 kw generated yesterday. Slight shading of a Scottish power pole. In fact March has been good I think as of last night we had generated 210kw.No doubt the willy wavers will start telling me how much more they have been making.
 
Sw Scotland south SE Facing Roof of about 45 deg. 18x200kioto panels and Aurora 3.6OUT inverter. Hazy but bright 16.8 kw generated yesterday. Slight shading of a Scottish power pole. In fact March has been good I think as of last night we had generated 210kw.No doubt the willy wavers will start telling me how much more they have been making.

In fairness, Scotland has had some record-breaking good weather, while parts of East Anglia have had some of the coldest and gloomiest weather ever recorded. Many times in recent weeks, I'd said to the Mrs that I want to move to Scotland, for the sun, warmth and dry weather. Normally, in East Anglia, we have some of the warmest, sunneist and driest weather, but that's all changed this last several months. Some neighbouring counties are complaining of drought and have been enjoying nice weather, but the ground here is, heavy, saturated and cold, causing a great deal of fogginess which dims the sun even on the good days. I've only ever seen it like this once or twice in my life.

Our power generation "down here" has undoubtedly suffered, although we're currently about 10-15% above the government's SAP target. Many Southern England areas with normally-similar climate to us are reporting 20-30% above SAP.

You may find these Met Office interactive charts to be interesting, to put into context how various parts of the UK would normally be:
Met Office: UK mapped climate averages
 
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I have been keeping an eye on it today and it doesn't seem to come over 2600. Does that sound normal? I would have expected it to go over 3000 on a sunny day like today?
 
Don't forget Scotland covers a large geographical area. here in SW scotland it is notoriously wet and fairly mild whilst in the NE it is sunny and cold. Scotland is not one weather region despite what the bbc etc try to tell you. IIRC rainfall here in Galloway is 60" per year.Met Office: Regional Climate: Western Scotland
 
I have been keeping an eye on it today and it doesn't seem to come over 2600. Does that sound normal? I would have expected it to go over 3000 on a sunny day like today?

If the scaffolding is still in place, there may be enough shading to affect one or more of the panels for much of the day. It can take as few as six of a 72-cell panel's cells being shaded to effectively shut down a panel.
Or it might be due to the weather where you are - I can't find any mention of your location.

During good sunny periods recently, mine reaches about 95% of maximum capacity for about an hour around 10am. Yours more likely to hit full power between noon and 1pm, although very dependent on weather conditions - including how hot the panels are running.
 
Thanks, I hadn't thought of that. Yes, the scaffolding is still up. I'm going to have a look in a minute as this must be about the time one of the chimneys is starting to cast a shadow. I didn't realise how much the haziness and small shadows can affect the panels. I did think we were completely shadowfree, but possibly not. The systems is currently running on 1800 which does sound ok, just thought the peak would be at a higher rate.

We are in West Wales, weather is sunny and bright, although a bit hazy (I wouldn't have noticed that before we had panels).

Thanks again. Very helpful forum.
Oli
 
new here so thought would ask this
got my system fitted and up and running 13th jan 2012 meter reading now reads 388 from 0.08 is that any good from 13th jan this year till today have a south south Facing Roof of about 45 deg 17nr ps195 panels,aurora powerone 3.6 inverterone has a lot of bird pap on tho how do you clean that off in york so middle of england
 
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Location:- North West
Azimuth:- Facing nearly direct South with 30degree pitch...
Environment:- kicks in fully at 9.30'sh and in full shade at 4pm, due to nearby trees which soon will be clipped slightly
System:- 12x Sanyo 240HiTs / SMA 3000HF ( 2.88kw)

Today;
Weather - Clear skies
Max Temp:- 22.3deg
Peak - just over 2.55KWp
Most generated between 9.30am & 3.45pm

Total generated - 14.45kwh ( so far @ 17:45pm )

Yesterday;
Weather:- Slightly misty
Max Temp:- 21deg
Peak - just over 2.4KWp
Most generated between 10am & 3pm

Total generated - 13.52kwh
 
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