Millwall Ken puts foot in the mouth AGAIN!!!

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millwall ken

Hi all,
We took the boy to a ball pit adventure kingdom on sunday down near Guildford for a party. Anyway, whilst I was doing Dad's duty - in other words running around with him, climbing, going down slides etc etc; a little girl (aged about four) asked me if she could play with us as well. I told her, that, I thought it would be better if she went and played with her dad instead.
'My daddy died' she replied. Well to say I was shocked was an understatement. Anyway, I went up to the little girl's mum and explained to her what happened and my reservations about talking to children that ain't my own. She was quite understanding of the situation and explained to me that her husband had been killed in Afghanistan two years ago.
Don't you sometimes wish that the ground could swallow you up.
 
fair play ken you had the guts to explain to the girls mum...i would be the same as you very weary about having much to do with someone elses child
 
You little smoothy…lol. This is your way of meeting the ladies admit it. :cool:
 
A sad story Ken, on several levels, sad for the family who have lost a Husband and Father, sad for you because you think you put your foot in it when you haven't, and sad for all of us (men) who love Children and can't interact with Children who are not our own.
 
Marvo said:
I don't get it. Is there some new law?
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You're obviously not a parent mate, or you'd understand, why, in the PC climate that we now live in, ALL males are classed as potential peadophiles. Until proved otherwise!!!
My own realisation of this, came about a few years ago when I picked up a little girl who had fallen over and cut her knee on some glass. The big fat monster that passed for her mother came waddling up to me; shouting at me to get my 'dirty' hands off of her daughter. Now don't get me wrong, I told her that if she had gotten off of her fat a*** sooner, then I wouldn't of have had to pick the little girl up in the first place. Fortunately for her, my missus was with the kids in the pool at the time or she would of got a mouthful from my missus far worse than what I would of said.
So since then, I have always been very careful about showing any sort of emotion around young children.
 
i was once driving when working nights and i seen 2 girls one of whom was about 6 and the other 8 stood at the side of the road at 3 am. now the guy i am would want to stop get out and give them a lift home. i then realised i one would probably scare the little things senseless and further place myself in a situation that anything could have been said about me if i had tried to approach them and told them to get in the van. instead i pulled over so i could watch them without them seeing me and rang 999. i sat there till the police came, and made sure no harm came to them. i have 2 girls myself but i am so so careful how i approach someone else's.
 
phil7677 said:
i was once driving when working nights and i seen 2 girls one of whom was about 6 and the other 8 stood at the side of the road at 3 am. now the guy i am would want to stop get out and give them a lift home. i then realised i one would probably scare the little things senseless and further place myself in a situation that anything could have been said about me if i had tried to approach them and told them to get in the van. instead i pulled over so i could watch them without them seeing me and rang 999. i sat there till the police came, and made sure no harm came to them. i have 2 girls myself but i am so so careful how i approach someone else's.
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I know what your saying phil mate. My own kids may love me to bits, but I ain't exactly blessed in the looks department. Think of Mike Tindall and you will get the picture of why I never get asked to be Father Christmas!
 
millwall ken said:
I know what your saying phil mate. My own kids may love me to bits, but I ain't exactly blessed in the looks department. Think of Mike Tindall and you will get the picture of why I never get asked to be Father Christmas!
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mate it don`t matter what you look like its how you are with your kids :) and no im not going all soppy :D seriously mate im like a big kid with mine and don`t think about jumping on a swing slide or whatever and i treat other kids in exactly the same way but like you say you have to be so so careful. the coppers said i had done the best thing possible that night and thanked me for waiting till they got there. by the sounds of what they were saying the kids parents were not going to be getting thank yous when they took them back
 
phil7677 said:
mate it don`t matter what you look like its how you are with your kids :) and no im not going all soppy :D seriously mate im like a big kid with mine and don`t think about jumping on a swing slide or whatever and i treat other kids in exactly the same way but like you say you have to be so so careful. the coppers said i had done the best thing possible that night and thanked me for waiting till they got there. by the sounds of what they were saying the kids parents were not going to be getting thank yous when they took them back
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Mate, it wouldn't surprise me if the parents sent them out for beer and smokes. One of the little sods who roams our estate til dark o clock, is well know to our local plod. The thing is, he is a good lad at heart but is easily led and does stupid things in order to try and impress some of the older scumbags whom he follows like a sheep. I got him involved in the local Army Cadet Force detachment for a while, but his mother wouldn't even pay a few quid for him to go away camping with the ACF once in a while. Despite the fact that I bought him his boots, stable belt, and beret - in the army everyone buys their own head dress, as the beret that the stores issues is only good for one thing!!!
Anyway, the seven months that he was there; he was a different kid. Shame that his mother is a slapper who should of been sterilized.
 
phil7677 said:
i was once driving when working nights and i seen 2 girls one of whom was about 6 and the other 8 stood at the side of the road at 3 am. now the guy i am would want to stop get out and give them a lift home. i then realised i one would probably scare the little things senseless and further place myself in a situation that anything could have been said about me if i had tried to approach them and told them to get in the van. instead i pulled over so i could watch them without them seeing me and rang 999. i sat there till the police came, and made sure no harm came to them. i have 2 girls myself but i am so so careful how i approach someone else's.
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Been there done That police arrived and said that was right thing to do as anyone seeing me approach could have phoned police or I could have scared them off and god knows where or if they would have been found

KEN you realy are a nice guy under all that football thuggery scar ridden skinheid Ugly boy mask you wear
 
where the hell did you find them kids at 3am!!! bloody hell..! my old next door neighbour used to foster kids who's family had social problems. any way i got wrong of our lass as i went out side with a ice lolly and they saw me in the yard and asked what i was eating and you could tell they wanted one as well so i give them one each and also told them to go get the older child with disablitys (whom they adopted) so she could have one also...! they were nice kids but there mam tried to swap them for a quick jump and a weekend on the beer!

any way our lass told me it could be taken wrong way and not to do it again!!! i said ridiculous and to the day we left that house i gave the kids sweets and ice lollys!

i agree children need to be protected from society until a certain age but Christ not smothered.
 
i found them on the ring road in Leeds. not the best place for a young un at that time in the morning or at any time tbh. it scares me to think what could have happened to them if i had not turned up and waited there.
 
A taxi driver friend of mine (not me before you ask Phil) had a school run for a social service 11 year old boy that has had a hard life. My mate always has a bag of mints in the car to help him not to smoke whilst driving.

One day the boy asks for a sweet? "yeah fine help yourself" just to stop him from messing about and repeatedly asking.

This went on for a couple of weeks until the police turned up at his house, arrested him and took him to the station! The boy mentioned to a teacher that his taxi driver gives him sweets every day, let's me put on whatever radio station I want on and he likes me sitting in the front (not allowed for single school kids and he never let them sit in the front, none of us did).

The poor man was suspended for 3 weeks until the kid owned up and said that he lied (about other things that I can't post) but the interrogation he got from the social and police was full on. They looked into his background, where he previously lived, worked everything including dna. My mate didn't mind because he knew he had done nothing wrong and was happy to help, he hates pedo's just as much as the next man. Just goes to show how something innocent can turn into a major investigation all because a little boy wants some attention.


Whilst I'm on this subject did you know that there has not been an increase in this type of activity over the past 30 years! It's just because of tv news channels, internet and some high profile cases that its in the public eye more. This info was told to me by someone who prosecutes people in the area in which were talking about.

(talk about walking on egg shells typing that out)
 
a lot of the crime is sensationalised by the media and believe it or not it has fallen in recent years. the decrease in real terms includes all the extra laws that have been brought in in recent years also. with that in mind it have fallen more than we realise. nice post paul and well done on the wording, i think you got the point over well and cautiously.
 
As a father of 3 girls my house was always full of girls of varying ages at all times. Because of this I always found that I related to girls more than boys and always did.

My 2 youngest girls were athletes so I found myself taking them for training and then events and just watching, so the club they went to put me through a couple of coaching courses, basically it was so I could be CRB checked and help out, which meant lumping things like hurdles about and setting them up. One night wth a female coach we took a group of under 11 kids for long jump. As the kids were doing the drills I like the old bafoon were winding up the ones who liked the jokes, and encouraged the others that were a little more sensative. One girl who was 8 did her run up and she slipped on the board and twisted her ankle. The female coach ran over to her and I followed, and the girl was sobbing and grabbed me, so of course by instinct you give her a cuddle, I'd known her for 2 seasons, and carried her to the club house and the first aider.

The next night I went to the training the club captain asked me to leave the field as they had a complaint from a parent that I had molested a child, I was shocked and really concerned, my work meant I worked in quite a few schools and places with vulnerable adults, so this was serious.

It took 3 weeks to sort out, after 3 police interviews. It seemed that a parent, not the girls parent saw me cuddle her, and it was the girls father that came forward and vouched for me. It was so horrendous that it affected my daughters and me. The polcie interviewed my daughters and asked them do I touch them in any way, My youngest who was 12 told the police and a social worker I was the best dad and was distraught.

This was a total nightmare for not only me but my family. Even now 10 years on I would cross over the road if I saw a child upset or crying, what a sad indictment on our society when you need to do that.
 
Its a sad world we live in political correctness not all men are child abusers as has recently come to life with the cresh staff ,but it does make me sad as im one of those guys that for some reason kids like to hug probable cause i wear red most of the time and with a name like nick they think im santa lol ,but realy this is the reasault of pedo's and in my eye's the y should all have been castrated especially garry glitter ,, its sad and make my blood boil ,well done phil you could have saved there lives
 
malcolmsanford said:
As a father of 3 girls my house was always full of girls of varying ages at all times. Because of this I always found that I related to girls more than boys and always did.

My 2 youngest girls were athletes so I found myself taking them for training and then events and just watching, so the club they went to put me through a couple of coaching courses, basically it was so I could be CRB checked and help out, which meant lumping things like hurdles about and setting them up. One night wth a female coach we took a group of under 11 kids for long jump. As the kids were doing the drills I like the old bafoon were winding up the ones who liked the jokes, and encouraged the others that were a little more sensative. One girl who was 8 did her run up and she slipped on the board and twisted her ankle. The female coach ran over to her and I followed, and the girl was sobbing and grabbed me, so of course by instinct you give her a cuddle, I'd known her for 2 seasons, and carried her to the club house and the first aider.

The next night I went to the training the club captain asked me to leave the field as they had a complaint from a parent that I had molested a child, I was shocked and really concerned, my work meant I worked in quite a few schools and places with vulnerable adults, so this was serious.

It took 3 weeks to sort out, after 3 police interviews. It seemed that a parent, not the girls parent saw me cuddle her, and it was the girls father that came forward and vouched for me. It was so horrendous that it affected my daughters and me. The polcie interviewed my daughters and asked them do I touch them in any way, My youngest who was 12 told the police and a social worker I was the best dad and was distraught.

This was a total nightmare for not only me but my family. Even now 10 years on I would cross over the road if I saw a child upset or crying, what a sad indictment on our society when you need to do that.
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Dam it malcom this sort of thing makes me so angry you did exactly as i would have done , im in am drams and there is a girl in the group who is special needs and always came up and gave me a cuddle she's a lovely girl 15 now but known her for years and her family infact they are all in the same group , and due to this idiotic dont touch the kids i have had to tell hurt not to hug me , i cant think what she thought , but now i just joke with her calling her differant types of puddings and cakes which she loves , but a harmless hug on a minor and your a pervert............total load of rubbish its a disgrace ..thanks to a few male and femail child abusers
 
I agree with nickblade, and the whole thing makes me angry. I have a 5 year old boy and a 1 year old girl. I’m 43 but love nothing more than chasing by lad round the local play centre, and going down the slides. When I catch him I usually throw him over my shoulder and tickle him. He loves it, and other kids see this and want to join in with us. Now the thing is I’m happy to chase them around with my kid, but they also expect to be picked up and tickled when I catch them, which I done do. One time my lad and I were walking to a different area of the play centre and I was holding his hand. One of the other lads also wanted to hold my hand. I had to tell him that I was not allowed to.. It just makes me sick that all it takes is just one comment and I could end up like malcom, and be in the police station for nothing.
 
Things must have obviously changed radically since I stayed in the UK in the 80's. This sounds like a sad sorry state of affairs to me and I can't help thinking it's the kids that are suffering. It's actually ridiculous, how can you go through life and not have contact with other peoples children, it doesn't make sense.

I often take my kids and several of their friends to our holiday cottage about an hour and a half up the coast, it's like a guys weekend away, we swim, camp and go fishing and it's a good opportunity to get to know the kids better, you find out a lot about your kids in that kind of environment that you won't at home. There's usually at least three of their friends with us and I've never had these kind of issues. My two kids also go away with other families regularly. When the kids were younger there was even a couple of their friends that were girls who I also I also took with us a few times. Now they're a bit older and more aware I don't think I would take girls with us...not for the reasons you're talking about, more because after a certain age they need a bit more privacy and I'd need to put girls in their own bedroom which would make it difficult logistically.

The question I have is does the kind of paranoid climate you appear to live in actually benefit the children? Does it make them safer? If it doesn't and it's only like that to stop men or fathers getting accused of something then it must be counter productive and there has to be a better way.
 
the thing about making them safer, well in a word no. the nature of a predatory pedo will make them more likely to be under the radar so to speak.
 
I agree with phil. It doesn't make the kids safer and it doesn't benefit the kids. I would love for things to change, but I cant see it happening. Things will only get worse. My missus took our 1 year old to her weekly dance thingy, where the mothers just mess about with their kids. The head of the plays had to ask the parents if it was ok for them to sing the phrase 'black sheep' in 'ba ba black sheep' as someone may get offended. My missus has to laugh... How did this all come about? Bring back the good old days.
 
And don't forget that your not allowed to take photos at school sports days of your own children anymore either because people think your a pedo.
 
Like Malcom I help-ed out at a boys football traimimg same senario humphing stuff collecting balls ect ect i had been Disclosure Scotland checked several times for work the club were then told that EVERYONE including casual help (ie me n a couple of others) HAD to do Enhanced disclosure @ £60 they nor myself would pay that hence the boys lost out as coaches had to use time to collect stuff ect Even running boys to training and games had to have enhanced disclosure we couldnt even give our boys best pals a run even though they were in n out our house 7 days a week staying over running in n out
the government wonder why kids clubs ect are closing down its NOT that kids ect arent attending its due to them not being able to afford CRB ect for every helper along with all the other regulatory red tape
 
the thing is, if lets say i had a child (i dont), and he/she were to come in contact with somebody who was later found to be a peadophile (i hate even typing that word), then i would welcome the CRB check for anybody who came in contact. the thing is, everybody is now under suspicion, and that isnt good for anybody. the few sick minded have ruined it for everybody, as usual. let them rot.
 
mogga said:
Like Malcom I help-ed out at a boys football traimimg same senario humphing stuff collecting balls ect ect i had been Disclosure Scotland checked several times for work the club were then told that EVERYONE including casual help (ie me n a couple of others) HAD to do Enhanced disclosure @ £60 they nor myself would pay that hence the boys lost out as coaches had to use time to collect stuff ect Even running boys to training and games had to have enhanced disclosure we couldnt even give our boys best pals a run even though they were in n out our house 7 days a week staying over running in n out
the government wonder why kids clubs ect are closing down its NOT that kids ect arent attending its due to them not being able to afford CRB ect for every helper along with all the other regulatory red tape
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Absolutely spot on mogga I paid the CRB check myself and half of the coaches course as if the club paid for it, it would mean that they would have had to divert funds. Small clubs rely on the parents/friends to pay themselves otherwise they would fold.

I have no problem with making our kids safe, but all these nursery workers in the West country would all have been enhanced CRB checked, and a fat lot of good it did.

A good friend of mine was a cricket umpire and ran a kids cricket club for years. 5 years ago he had to get a CRB done, and it came back that he had a record. In 1984 he was arrested during the miners strike for secondary picketing and was charged with assault. This guy owned his own business, was a Councillor for years, his wife and him ran a local charity for kids to go away on camps, and something that he did then over 20 years ago was paraded in front of his peers, I think sometimes the UK as got things so wrong it is laughable.
 
ecclescake said:
Should this not be in off topic as its got nothing to do with electrics.
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Give over, it’s already in Chit Chat. The only other place it can be taken is the pub and that is only for the immortals… lol :D
 
ecclescake said:
Should this not be in off topic as its got nothing to do with electrics.
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It is if i connect my test kit to a pedo's knackers and zap him at 1000 volts


oh and as for the CRB its another lets make money scheme yes im all for the CRB , but i now have 6 checks 1 for each of the groups i work with and schools old peoples home etc , drive me insane:rolleyes:
 
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nickblake said:
It is if i connect my test kit to a pedo's knackers and zap him at 1000 volts


oh and as for the CRB its another lets make money scheme yes im all for the CRB , but i now have 6 checks 1 for each of the groups i work with and schools old peoples home etc , drive me insane:rolleyes:
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From what I gather Disclosure Scotland are soon to change that ONE check covers the person rather than each group,job,volentery thing requires an individual check
 
I just googled the CRB test you all mention and apparently it's free for volunteers so maybe Mogga et al can get a refund.
From 6 April 2011, the following fee levels will apply throughout the remainder of 2011/12.
  • Enhanced CRB check £44.00
  • Standard CRB check £26.00
  • ISA Adult First check £6.00
CRB Checks for volunteers will continue to be free of charge.
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I'm not convinced a criminal background check is going to make much of a dent in your average pedophile's activities but the Orwellian approach is certainly making everyone else suffer. I've thought about this a lot today and I'm still taken aback by the system you're living with and I'm hoping it's not a social model that gets exported elsewhere. I did some googling and light reading earlier and I can't figure out how a change in attitude as radical as this one came about. Obviously measures must be taken to protect children but look whats been sacrificed......it makes me sick to think that men are actually scared to interact with children for fear of some kind of police interrogation. I don't know what else to say
 
Police report on the news just this morning that Police have broken up a pedo ring with 70 - 100,000 members, so thats a step in the right direction.
And now that Nick is going to toast all their nuts they should be easier to spot when they're checked, (lot of nuts though Nick, how much for each ... erm ... test. )
 

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