Requires in a day

[highspark]

I ain't avin it!

Was speaking to someone in wholesales who reckons him another spark and mate have been rewiring and second fixing in an 8 hour day!

Thats either bravado or it's going to be poor poor quality and against the regs

*bloody iPhone put requires instead if rewires

 

[Jay Sparks]

My house is a 3 bed council house and last year they did a full rewire in 8 hours. Smokes, up ring, down ring, up lights, down lights, fan in bathroom and kitchen, 2x outside lights, boiler spur new wylex board all rcbo's. All chased out and run correctly. They use safety box's which enable them to fit the sockets/switchs before the chases get plastered at a later date. I also used to work for the company that did it, they worked in gangs of 4/5. 2 sparky's and 2 mates/apprentices. All the kit was ready in a box and they started bang on 8am. Worked like hell though 5 days a week. Defo can be done!!

Jay

 

[Jay Sparks]

These are the safety boxs that they used. The director of the firm I worked for invented these. We called them "Uzi box's"




Putting these on made it easy and safe for the plasterer, tiler and decorater. The rewire team would do IR, Zs, Ze etc to make sure it was ok but not the paper work, then after the tiler, plasterer and decorater had been (2 weeks later) I would go in and I & T, fill in the EIC and remove the "Uzi box's" which was a pain in the arse because all the screws had to be cut down. Now I know your all gonna jump an my back because it should have been I & T before being put into service but this was the way it was done and neither the council or niceic or anyone else had a prob with it and being new to testing at the time, I didnt know different. They said if we tested it and did the EIC straight away, the plaserer or tiler etc could damage the cable/accessorie and it would have to be repaird and tested again any way. I must of tested over 300 of these council rewires over the years.

Jay

 

[highspark]

Regarding second fixing before plastering and tiling .

Ive just done one like this. Customer told me they have to wait 3 weeks for the spread. I said sod that! He will have to unscrew and rescrew any faults after that will be charged at an hourly rate to customer.

The worst thing was the place had just had a damp proof so all my boxes where deep as anything.

Once bonded back up after the course had been done, I had to provide longer screws at my own cost (wasnt happy at all). But once the skin goes on top of the bonding they will possibly have to buy longer screws again good luck to the plasterer. I hate them anyway. Always messing with cables etc.

If they don't know how to stop water getting in an screw a socket fascia back they aren't competent enough to be on site IMO.

 

[Jay Sparks]

Every time Ive done the first fix, left the cable nice and neat in the back box, not sticking out, then gone back after the plasterer, ive found all my back boxs and cable were filled with plaster (W**%£S), so I just smash the plaster out and tell the customer, they have to repair it once Ive fitted the socket.

But we had problems with kitchen fitters aswell, when the rewire was done, the bonding was connected to the gas and water, then, after the plasterer had been, the kitchen fitters would do there bit but they would dissconect the bonding so they could fit there units and not bother reconnecting it.

Or the gas meter had not been fit when the rewire had been done so the lads run the 10mm to were the meter was going but the gas man would not connect the bond after he fit the meter.

Jay

 

[imago]

So if the inspect and test is done on a separate day then it's not a rewire in a day surely? You can't describe it as complete job when bits are left for someone else to do later.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Every time Ive done the first fix, left the cable nice and neat in the back box, not sticking out, then gone back after the plasterer, ive found all my back boxs and cable were filled with plaster (W**%£S), so I just smash the plaster out and tell the customer, they have to repair it once Ive fitted the socket. But we had problems with plumbers and kitchen fitters aswell, when the rewire was done, the bonding was connected to the gas and water, then, after the plasterer had been the kitchen fitters would do there bit but they would dissconect the bond to fit there units and not bother reconnecting it. Or the gas meter had not been fit when the rewire had been done so the lads run the 10mm to were the meter was going but the gas man would not connect the bond after he fit the meter.

Jay

yeah well they`v got no business disconnecting safety electrical connections....christ its even tagged as such....

 

[Jay Sparks]

The i&t was done the same day to make sure it was safe but no paper work was done until later when I went and did it all again. They could of done the paper work aswell but after all the other trades had to go in and mess with it all, it would not have been safe and the EIC would have been worthless. I guess they had a lot of problems doing it the right way so to speak and everyone concerned got together and decided this was the best way to do it, bearing in mind the houses were occupied.

Jay

 

[Jay Sparks]

yeah well they`v got no business disconnecting safety electrical connections....christ its even tagged as such....

I know this and thats why I used to invoice the company I worked for and they would inturn, invoice the client (Waites, Bullocks etc). I would put down an hour for reconnecting bonding and aslo charge them for any other snags I had to put right.

Jay

 

[highspark]

Every rewire I have done recentley has had a concrete lower flour or a percentage of concrete floor this is an absolute pain in the backside and again adds time to a rewire

 

[Jay Sparks]

Well my house like most council houses, is red brick, concrete floors down stairs and odviousley floorboards up stairs and falling to bits. The last rewire I did, had wooden floor boards up and down stairs but down stairs it also had about 2" of screed covering it. This stuff is like are lass..... Hard as nails.lol. Luckily, they also had a basement with the beams showing, so all my runs for the sockets etc were done without taking up the screed and floorbaords.

Jay


Jay

 

[londonlec]

Dont know who your council is but the ones ive contracted for insist on 4 sockets per room 6 in kitchen not including fcu to washer and fridge, extractors to kitchen bathroom smokes heat detectors and everything chased

Ive done them for three London boroughs. No chasing, all trunking. Fitted smokes and fan spurs, and one spur and socket in kitchen,

 

[londonlec]

so..... , who takes the faceplates off for the tiler and then refits them after? how long do you wait for the plaster to go off after 1st fix? all in a day? pull the other one.

No one because the tiler tiles around the surface boxes and trunking.

 

[telectrix]

No one because the tiler tiles around the surface boxes and trunking.

that might be acceptable down south, but up here int' north we have a bit more finesse. we even have grass in the back yard.

 

[londonlec]

that might be acceptable down south, but up here int' north we have a bit more finesse. we even have grass in the back yard.

Your lucky to have a back yard, our concrete jungles dont have them arty3:

 

[vernam616]

Must admit ive never seen a council go for surface boxes, must look really ****

 

[telectrix]

Must admit ive never seen a council go for surface boxes, must look really ****

i have. trunking through ceiling coving with gaps round it i could drive my van through. brittle patresses that shatter every time a hoover collides with them. ruff.

 

[Jay Sparks]

Yep, coving trunking used alot in bedsits were they cant run the cable through the floor or ceiling. They run the cable in this and then chase down the wall to each point. YT2 was used for the run to the lighting points. These rewires were done in 1/2 a day. 7
But as tel says the gaps in the capping was shocking!!!! Every one I inspected, I pulled it for this.
Not a pretty looking job, but does the job.


Jay

 

[Jurassic Sparks]

I would be hard pressed to do anything in a day
but then I am old !!
I used to first fix in one day on new properties but no chance of doing it all
although if you have a good team and the right kit it could be done

 

[sparky09]

NAH - Not happening !!!!!!!!! I"ve heard boyz saying this but never seen it done
Sounds like a load of BULLS**IT

 

[Jay Sparks]

NAH - Not happening !!!!!!!!! I"ve heard boyz saying this but never seen it done
Sounds like a load of BULLS**IT

In my post code alone they rewired over 200 houses, each one done in a day. There were also over 200 done in Keighley.
I kid you not......
"Its dirty work but somebodies got to do it"!!!!


Jay

 

[trev]

Guys it happens. If you don't believe me, well you can cry me a river

 

[Jay Sparks]

Thing is, these lads will go in and smash the house up in an hour. to them you see, "its all about the money, its all about the dum dum dera dum dum."


Jay

 

[Plonker 3]

Must admit ive never seen a council go for surface boxes, must look really ****

I went for a job about 3 years ago, working for a large firm who had a contract with Leicester City Council doing rewires, that was all in surface trunking and accessories.

 

[imago]

I have no doubts it can be done, and probably has thousands of times over the years. I don't believe for a minute that it can be done well, or completely tested and signed off though.

It's horses for courses really, I wouldn't want to work like that but that's not to say others can't.

 

[sedgy34]

I dont doubt rewire in a day i bet they put 5 blokes on it but can't see how they do it correctly
and the floor boards I bet are wrecked, as you enter that house it must be chaos

 

[jase]

I took £850 for the last one i did, not bad for 12 hours

£850????? that just about covers the materials surely? i just paid near on £400 for 300M of 2.5 + 1.5 and 100M of 3c+e!!!!