Road Tax Rip Off

[7029 dave]

Yes to save money on the last couple of months of tax discs they didn't perforate them , so had to cut them out with scissors

Those holes are no good Ding anyway, allways rip it up, must be me big hands.

 

[dingledong]

Yes Dave your right they weren't that good he he
But I can't see how not percolating the disc has saved any money

 

[Adam W]

No they don't, police don't stop on a blue light run for anything.

I think there may have been a suggestion of irony in dongle's comment, ie the only chance the police are likely to have to catch someone, they're too busy to catch them.

It's not just the police that have ANPR cameras, they are all over the place for all sorts of applications.

The police have them in some vehicles, but not all, and they are often vans etc parked at the side of the road or dedicatee ANPR vehicles.

I don't see how that's going to be any cheaper than sending out little bits of paper.
They're trying to sell it to us with the idea of £X savings every year, but as a proportion of what they make from tax discs I imagine the cost of producing them to be barely significant.

As it is a policeman or PCSO on foot patrol, a traffic warden, any one of the numerous council wardens who go around handing out fines to easy targets, or even the local busybody can all identify an untaxed vehicle.

 

[dingledong]

Thank you for noticing adam

 

[UNG]

I think there may have been a suggestion of irony in dongle's comment, ie the only chance the police are likely to have to catch someone, they're too busy to catch them.

You only have to watch some of these police programmes to see how many wanted people are accidentally caught

I don't see how that's going to be any cheaper than sending out little bits of paper.
They're trying to sell it to us with the idea of £X savings every year, but as a proportion of what they make from tax discs I imagine the cost of producing them to be barely significant.

Look at how much it costs to send an invoice out when you take into account the materials used paper, envelope, printing and postage and taking it to the post box if customers will accept it I email a PDF invoice as it is a much cheaper alternative this is all the DVLA have done in not producing tax discs anymore they don't incur postage costs sending them out

As it is a policeman or PCSO on foot patrol, a traffic warden, any one of the numerous council wardens who go around handing out fines to easy targets, or even the local busybody can all identify an untaxed vehicle.

I have reported untaxed vehicles before and weeks and months later they are still on the road untaxed even after reporting them again and again. With mobile datacoms improving all the time there is no reason why the police, PCSO's and parking wardens could not have mobile ANPR terminals or other number plate checking technology

 

[Geordie Spark]

Further to Post #14


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbM5FwrAvwY

 

[Octopus]

Further to Post #14


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbM5FwrAvwY

ha ha. A plumber........

 

[Adam W]

You only have to watch some of these police programmes to see how many wanted people are accidentally caught

I suspect some of these police programmes may have been sexed up for the TV - they might show you two or three wanted people being accidentally caught, but that isn't a relative cross-section of detection rates - they don't tend to show you criminals getting away with it, or even coppers going around winding up drunks on a Friday and Saturday night then arresting them under section 5 of the public order act when they swear, but it happens. I've seen it.
These police programmes are bordering on propaganda - broadcasting the idea that if you break the law you will be caught

Look at how much it costs to send an invoice out when you take into account the materials used paper, envelope, printing and postage and taking it to the post box if customers will accept it I email a PDF invoice as it is a much cheaper alternative this is all the DVLA have done in not producing tax discs anymore they don't incur postage costs sending them out

That's not the same thing at all - that would be like getting sent an email or text message to tell you you'd been caught by a speed camera.
The point is printing and posting a bit of paper is going to be cheaper than designing, building and maintaining a network of ANPR cameras, which still won't work if a vehicle has been cloned.

I have reported untaxed vehicles before and weeks and months later they are still on the road untaxed even after reporting them again and again. With mobile datacoms improving all the time there is no reason why the police, PCSO's and parking wardens could not have mobile ANPR terminals or other number plate checking technology

If the police can't detect untaxed vehicles when they know where they are, then what chance do they have when they don't? So they might drive past a camera on the motorway and get an invoice sent to a false address; hardly a deterrent.

 

[UNG]

That's not the same thing at all - that would be like getting sent an email or text message to tell you you'd been caught by a speed camera.

I'll have to disagree with you it is exactly the same thing the point I was making everything has a cost may be tax discs by PDF was something they didn't think about.

May be in time you will get speeding tickets by text or email

The point is printing and posting a bit of paper is going to be cheaper than designing, building and maintaining a network of ANPR cameras, which still won't work if a vehicle has been cloned.

But they were printing and sending out discs to people who paid not catching those that don't the money saved can be used for enforcement

 

[Adam W]

I'll have to disagree with you it is exactly the same thing the point I was making everything has a cost may be tax discs by PDF was something they didn't think about.

May be in time you will get speeding tickets by text or email



But they were printing and sending out discs to people who paid not catching those that don't the money saved can be used for enforcement

Do you mean if a pdf were sent with an image of the tax disc and the motorist printed it at home?
That's a nice idea but it would be too open to forgery. The idea of the tax disc as it stands is that there is a visible indication in a windscreen that tax has been paid.
Abolishing tax discs may be saving the treasury printing and postage costs, but these savings aren't being passed onto the motorist. While the cost of road tax may be staying the same, the revenue increased should slightly increase, but could substantially decrease.