Switchgear Brand Identification

[Lister1987]

I'm working on a 'what brand is this mcb, what works with it, who sold it, this brand is made by...." type thing and could use hive mind input

At the minute it's just images of mcbs with brands on but anything I can get about each one will really help, looking to make a single resource for brand identity and compatability.

I suspect our dearly departed Lucian would have been excellent with this type stuff. Any help appreciated

Doc can be found here (too big to upload); Chargement de Google Docs - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1a9AKBj8l8l7vgIrpa8e4ekIHiTwwpV7E/edit?usp=drivesdk&ouid=118212366020648206333&rtpof=true&sd=true

 

[snowhead]

Looks to be off to a good start.

This could be a task for the "All singing all dancing, going to wipe out millions of jobs and take over the World , Artificial Intelligence"

All you need is to type in "A.I,, compile a database of pictures and cross reference chart of all MCB and RCBO used in the U.K in the last 50 years"

Put the kettle on and have a cup of tea / coffee and by the time you've done that, the task will be complete.
Yeah, right,, better stock up with PLENTY of coffee and teabags.

And if I was compiling this list I'd be putting a couple of obvious fakes in so that when someone does try to use A.I. and it finds this and copies it you can track it.
White text on a white background is always a good way to hide stuff, left click and run the cursor over to reveal.
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Just like this.

 

[DPG]

Amazing how many different brands there are when you see them all together like that.

Oh and 'Happy Friday!'

 

[timhoward]

Great effort! I suspect you may end up with a 2nd document entirely for Wylex....

 

[Pretty Mouth]

Good work @Lister1987

 

[nicebutdim]

Is there anything you'd particularly like to get images of at this time?

 

[SparkySy]

Nice one! That is a good list, I agree with Tim on needing a sheet just for Wylex, why oh why have they changed so many times and made them incompatible!
Hager and Proteus have hardly changed and most of both their respective ranges are backward compatible!

 

[MJPD29]

Great effort, very handy document. Some of these I’ve never even heard of

 

[Lister1987]

Any help the community can be PLEASE DO, some brands may be wholesaler specific; Denmans doing Steeple i think is such an example - handy when the old brand goes but the wholesaler does not. All the nuance crap too like Electrium being behind several brands etc, all this stuff is useful and likely stuff the more....seasoned....sparks will know. Give me everything you got!

 

[Lister1987]

Nice one! That is a good list, I agree with Tim on needing a sheet just for Wylex, why oh why have they changed so many times and made them incompatible!
Hager and Proteus have hardly changed and most of both their respective ranges are backward compatible!

You thinking more model specifics? NSB NSX etc? i take it the difference is the busbar type? forked vs......?

 

[LeeH]

Lewden and control gear have the same pictures?

 

[LeeH]

Mitsubushi

https://www.bpx.co.uk/store/product/bhwt101ptypec16a

Mitsubishi BH-PS - 40a Type 2 Single Pole MCB

For Sale Mitsubishi BH-PS - 40a Type 2 Single Pole MCB Cat No BH-PS Rated at 9kA Conforms to BS 3871 Pt 1 1965 Plug in/Stablok type of MCB Used but

www.wentvaleelectricalltd.co.uk

I’ve fitted the 2nd link into a board as they were the exact same frame/mould as the obsolete board. (The name escapes me)

 

[LeeH]

Also what’s that brand that was sold on here? Some sort of compact RCBO that was popular.

 

[DefyG]

Well done, very informative and like others some I've never heard of!
Thats quite a task just for MCB's alone but notice you've included some RCD's,RCBO's, MCCB's and Fuse Carriers (Ferraz Shumut) as well, so bringing that lot up to date will be keep you busy!

The LVE and Lewden (CGD) look so similar they must be the same just re-branded??


The Lovato and IMO items are contactors not MCB's and perhaps deserve another catalogue?

 

[DPG]

Also what’s that brand that was sold on here? Some sort of compact RCBO that was popular.

SBS ?

 

[Lister1987]

Lewden and control gear have the same pictures?

Possibly copy pasted in the wrong place, unless the 2 are compatable

 

[Flanders]

nice work and as others have said some I have never heard of . Willrose electrical sell old mcb etc and have drop down lists of all the makes and models. This may help you create your list I notice Tenby is not on your list

 

[Lister1987]

I'm on Version 4 at the mo, I've uploaded to Google docs and made publicly editable, if anyone can help contribute, or knows which brands are compatible/owned by the same parent company then please throw it up or on the thread.

 

[Flanders]

I'm on Version 4 at the mo, I've uploaded to Google docs and made publicly editable, if anyone can help contribute, or knows which brands are compatible/owned by the same parent company then please throw it up or on the thread.

MEM and bill are the same. Schneider make square D kq and Merlin gerin. Although the same mcb Square d are plug on and Merlin are not. You used to be able to remove the plug on part of the square d mcb so you could fit it in a merlin board but they glue them in now . I think a lot of the no makes use the same casing.

 

[LeeH]

I'm on Version 4 at the mo, I've uploaded to Google docs and made publicly editable, if anyone can help contribute, or knows which brands are compatible/owned by the same parent company then please throw it up or on the thread.

I’ve posted up Mitsubushi already, also another brand I’ve used a long time ago below.

https://www.radwell.co.uk/en-GB/Buy/SPRECHER -AND- SCHUH/SPRECHER -AND- SCHUH/L9-1-DIV-1-DIV-D/

 

[Lister1987]

MEM and bill are the same. Schneider make square D kq and Merlin gerin. Although the same mcb Square d are plug on and Merlin are not. You used to be able to remove the plug on part of the square d mcb so you could fit it in a merlin board but they glue them in now . I think a lot of the no makes use the same casing.

I don't know all the brand nuances so more of this please

 

[happysteve]

My contribution:

Statement of backwards compatibility from Schneider regarding Easy9 and old Domae DBs/switchgear (attached PDF).

 

[happysteve]

Any help the community can be PLEASE DO, some brands may be wholesaler specific; Denmans doing Steeple i think is such an example - handy when the old brand goes but the wholesaler does not. All the nuance crap too like Electrium being behind several brands etc, all this stuff is useful and likely stuff the more....seasoned....sparks will know. Give me everything you got!

Regarding Steeple, this web page from Denmans lists a Lewden RCD, stating: "RCCB 80A 30mA compatible with Denmans Steeple and Curve consumer units."

Edit: link: Lewden 80/30/2A | Lewden 80A 30mA 6KA Type A RCCB (80/30/2A) | Denmans - https://www.denmans.co.uk/den/root-category/Power-Distribution-%26-Circuit-Protection/Consumer-Units-%26-Devices/Domestic-RCDs/Lewden-80A-30mA-6KA-Type-A-RCCB-%2880-30-2A%29/p/2501148587

However...:

(Maybe the Lewden one is compatible with a different Steeple RCD... but clearly not this one!)