Tool thief killed by vigilantes in uk

[Gavin John Hyde]

Just heard on radio that a guy has been confronted by some locals after a spate of tool thefts. Whether he was guilty ir not hes now dead...
Im not advocating murder but is it a surprise when the police do absolutely nothing to investigate this van crime epidemic. Surprised there hasnt been more such cases.
Lancashire man dies after being detained by two neighbours | Daily Mail Online - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5059691/Man-dies-detained-two-vigilante-neighbours.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

 

[stevethesparks]

All his facebook buddies saying he didn't deserve this or more accurate no1deserve that etc. He deserved every bit of it and I hope to see more of it. Scum.

 

[westward10]

One less off the streets.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Nobody deserves to die because of a suspicion they are a thief, or even if they are a thief. Vigilante groups will result in innocent deaths. It's a crime that the full weight of the law is not imposed on these scum, but death? Think about what you are wishing for, could be a member of your family lynched by a misguided hate mob.
Remember the Paediatric clinic defaced by a paedophile hate mob, that's the level of intelligence these people possess.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Shows your level of intelligence if you believe in going round murdering people on a suspicion.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Before anyone accuses me of being a Guardian reading hand wringer....I read the Daily Rant, and it makes my blood boil that law abiding people have to put up with scum like van thieves. But no matter how tempting, vigilante squads are not the answer. There is a noble and long standing principle of innocent until proven guilty, and the right to a fair trial in this country. Without that mob rule and gross injustices will prevail.
This kind of thing is an angry reaction, but that does not mean it's right.

 

[The Ghost]

I suspect that this was death by misadventure. There may have been some condition of the victim that exacerbated the outcome of the encounter. I feel sure that these people did not mean to kill the person, maybe rough them up and teach them a lesson. It sounds like a very unfortunate set of circumstances, and a lesson for us all. I await the result of investigations showing us what exactly happened. My condolences to the family of this person, as his friends have said he did not deserve this. Death is not a suitable penalty for theft. If that were the case we would have nobody in parliament, or government.

 

[telectrix]

just what i was about to say. guy might have had a weak heart or some other undiscovered health problem. judge not till all the facts are known.

 

[Startinez]

All his facebook buddies saying he didn't deserve this or more accurate no1deserve that etc. He deserved every bit of it and I hope to see more of it. Scum.

This is perhaps the most unintelligent post I've ever read on this forum.

 

[Strima]

But have the tool thefts stopped? I hate thieves but this seems a little extreme. I much prefer broken fingers.

 

[Jim90]

I served for two years as a special constable for my local force. I know exactly what it’s like as a police officer dealing with van thefts. With more red tape than ever, CPS throwing out cases due to lack of evidence, over stretched and under funded no wonder the officers seem to the public that they ‘don’t do enough’ It makes my blood boil that people blame the first blue uniform they see when the problem is due to the management and government.

I attended a van theft last year, took details, no evidence on scene, calling forensics to check it over as a minimum but 9 times out of 10 they are too busy. On scene for 10 minutes before attending a grade A shout. Some of the hardest days I’ve ever done, good experience though.

In this instance, revenge is never the best option however sweet it may seem temporarily. Years down the line the people involved will have to live with the outcome. Completely agree with a couple of comments above, best not to judge until you have all the evidence, however, other comments are appalling.

 

[gazdkw82]

Some of the responses to this thread are worrying and stupid.

There is possibly a good case for some people on this earth to face death, but someone who's been stealing tools??

Seriously??

Maybe he/she is stealing to feed an addiction.
Maybe they are being forced into it.
Maybe they owe a debt to someone.
Maybe they are just greedy and selfish.

Point is, there's always a reason and sometimes it ain't always as it seems.

Let the law deal with them.

 

[Wilko]

A tragic outcome for the thief and for his detainers.

A friend once detained a person attempting to steal his van. Before the Police arrived, the thief (with a long record) apparently broke his toe. My friend told me he doesn't know how the toe was broken (...) but the next day Police arrested him and charged him with assault (iirc). How you detain someone who doesn't want to be detained without assaulting them I don't know. Anyway, my friend now has a criminal record and (iirc) the thief was let off with another warning and made a successful compensation claim as well.

 

[gazdkw82]

that is a bad outcome Wilko. Iv heard similar stories. Personally I wouldn’t bother trying to detain. It’s not worth it. What would your friend have done if the guy pulled a knife out or something else?

 

[StephenRowley]

Just get a decent photo the police know most of the local scum bags and facebook will do the rest.

 

[Wilko]

... I wouldn’t bother trying to detain. It’s not worth it. What would your friend have done if the guy pulled a knife out or something else?

Fully agree, things can readily escalate as may have been the case here. Separate event with another comrade who attempted to detain a thief, the 2nd thief hit him with the car they'd driven up in. The thieves got away, my friend spent a couple of weeks in hospital and months recovering from a broken leg.

 

[DPG]

The main problem is the defence lawyers who defend these scrotes and end up getting them suspended sentences or a £100 fine. What's the point in that. Especially when the scrotes normally have previous convictions for similar (or worse) stuff. It boils the p*ss of the police as well as you and I.

 

[gazdkw82]

It’s not the fault of the police. The system is not working. I know criminals who are just not scared of being caught because they 1. Don’t fear prison and 2. Know the system really can’t put them in prison because it’s so overcrowded.

It’s just one suspended sentence after another

 

[Pete999]

A tragic outcome for the thief and for his detainers.

A friend once detained a person attempting to steal his van. Before the Police arrived, the thief (with a long record) apparently broke his toe. My friend told me he doesn't know how the toe was broken (...) but the next day Police arrested him and charged him with assault (iirc). How you detain someone who doesn't want to be detained without assaulting them I don't know. Anyway, my friend now has a criminal record and (iirc) the thief was let off with another warning and made a successful compensation claim as well.

Perhaps, your Mates experience with the Villain and the Police, and the eventual outcome, is the reason some misguided, dissatisfied victims of this sort of crime act in the way the two Blokes in the original post did.

Whilst it is wrong to take the law into your own hands, you can sympathise with the victims for doing so.

I think the Lawmakers, must realise the general public, hard working people, who have there lively hoods wrecked by people who know the Police wont act without evidence, and if the victims of these crimes, cause them any harm, then they are likely to get some sort of compensation.

The laws need changing, for the benefit of the victims NOT the perpetrators.

 

[DPG]

Spot on Pete.
And let's not forget, this event would not have happened at all if the guy hadn't been skulking around in the early hours of the morning trying to nick stuff.