A Prime Example Of How Not To Do An EICR

[JK-Electrical]

I've been asked by a client to visit a rental property he owns to determine whether a replacement consumer unit is required so to comply with the legislation that came into effect on 1st March 2024 whereby all rental properties in Scotland must have one or more RCDs present to protect the socket-outlet circuit(s) as a minimum. I asked the client to forward me a copy of the current EICR so I could familiarise myself with the installation prior to my visit.

However, I found so many things wrong with this 'report'. The amount of fundamental errors, glaring omissions and N/A entries are staggering. It's not worth the paper that it's printed on. Utterly useless. The incompetent Glasgow-based 'electrician' who did this EICR should be thoroughly ashamed of himself.

I will now be advising the client that a fresh EICR will need to be carried-out ASAP and that he should raise a complaint with his letting agent.

 

[James]

I have seen better that have been done without leaving the van!!

 

[SparkySy]

That is an absolute joke, and a waste of a tree if it was printed.
There are no results on it apart from the ones pre entered on the spreadsheet.
It is a sad state of affairs, the EICR sector.
There are so many reports like this and with completely made up results out there it's difficult to quote for remedial work based on someone else's inspection.
It really boils my urine!!

 

[UNG]

However, I found so many things wrong with this 'report'. The amount of fundamental errors, glaring omissions and N/A entries are staggering. It's not worth the paper that it's printed on. Utterly useless. The incompetent Glasgow-based 'electrician' who did this EICR should be thoroughly ashamed of himself.

At a guess I would say the only thing right with that report was the premises address as for the rest "extent of the installation covered by this report" NONE I suppose is correct

I will now be advising the client that a fresh EICR will need to be carried-out ASAP and that he should raise a complaint with his letting agent.

I think he should be firing the letting agent

 

[littlespark]

I think he should be firing the letting agent

Unless the letting agent is unaware how bad the report is.

They might just be using a local company, with all the cps memberships etc and just assuming it’s being done right.
They don’t get a copy of the report to peruse… unless the landlord decides to give them a copy.


If the rules state a rental property needs RCDs on the sockets, and this report says it’s still fuses… then I expect a board change, whatever else has been found.

This would be followed by an EIC, superseding this EICR.

 

[richy3333]

Rougher than a badgers rse!

 

[UNG]

Unless the letting agent is unaware how bad the report is.

Not an excuse IMO how many other useless EICR's has this company done for the same agent before this one even with little or no electrical knowledge or the ability to read the EICR the OP posted screams dodgy

They might just be using a local company, with all the cps memberships etc and just assuming it’s being done right.
They don’t get a copy of the report to peruse… unless the landlord decides to give them a copy.

Every landlord I have worked for their letting agent asks for a copy of the EIC or EICR for their records to ensure current regulatory compliance

 

[Risteard]

Unless the letting agent is unaware how bad the report is.

They might just be using a local company, with all the cps memberships etc and just assuming it’s being done right.
They don’t get a copy of the report to peruse… unless the landlord decides to give them a copy.


If the rules state a rental property needs RCDs on the sockets, and this report says it’s still fuses… then I expect a board change, whatever else has been found.

This would be followed by an EIC, superseding this EICR.

An Electrical Installation Certificate won't supercede that unless the whole property is rewired. Otherwise it pertains solely to the work described within it.

 

[littlespark]

Not an excuse IMO how many other useless EICR's has this company done for the same agent before this one even with little or no electrical knowledge or the ability to read the EICR the OP posted screams dodgy

Every landlord I have worked for their letting agent asks for a copy of the EIC or EICR for their records to ensure current regulatory compliance

We don’t know.
It could be 100, or could be 1.

The thing is, a letting agent (or someone on their office) won’t be trained to understand the coding used in an EICR… Be lucky if they read whether it’s satisfactory or not. Just asked for, not looked at and filed away.

Yes, the agents need to perform due diligence… but it’s the electrician and the cps that allows them to create drivel like this that’s at fault.

Do we know if it was an agent recommended sparky in the first place?

An Electrical Installation Certificate won't supercede that unless the whole property is rewired. Otherwise it pertains solely to the work described within it.

If you were asked to replace an old board with fuses… you’de want to do a bit of testing yourself before adding RCDs….. whatever this report says. May as well do another EICR instead of the EIC.


Anyway. The report in question is useless.
Without knowing for sure that it is still fuses… the board will need replaced. And possibly should have been already if a rental.

 

[pirate]

Good to see you back here JK! What an interesting post too.
I see that others have agreed with your view, and it's good to have such matters aired in public, so thank you!

 

[pirate]

That is an absolute joke, and a waste of a tree if it was printed.
There are no results on it apart from the ones pre entered on the spreadsheet.
It is a sad state of affairs, the EICR sector.
There are so many reports like this and with completely made up results out there it's difficult to quote for remedial work based on someone else's inspection.
It really boils my urine!!

What really boils my urine is a Travelodge kettle!

 

[James]

What really boils my urine is a Travelodge kettle!

You are a sick man!

 

[littlespark]

You are a sick man!

not as sick as the next guest that wants a cup of coffee

 

[Moley]

What really boils my urine is a Travelodge kettle!

I'm just glad I usually stay at Premier Inn.

 

[JK-Electrical]

Thanks for your input guys. I'm sure my client will find your comments a most interesting read.

All of the letting agents who I've had interactions with over the years are well aware of the meaning and implications of a C2 code. They all know that just a single C2 on an EICR is sufficient reason for the report to be given an unsatisfactory rating. Ergo there really is no excuse for the letting agent accepting this report as satisfactory when the report contains two separate C2 codes.

Moreover, since the letting agent is responsible for hiring the charlatan who produced this pile of bovine excrement masquerading as an Electrical Installation Condition Report, the agent is, in my eyes, equally culpable as they have failed to provide the property owner with a service for which they were entrusted and paid to deliver. Negligence by any definition.

Although there are incidents of duplicitous rogue electricians south of the border being heavily fined for falsifying an EICR, the guy who produced this fake EICR has, for now at least, not been held to account. After reading this report, I did a Google search using the name and address of the person who produced the report. I found this document which dates back to April 2021, five months before this EICR was produced.​

https://housingandpropertychamber.scot/sites/default/files/repair_decisions/Tribunal Decision.rp_.14.0134 (2)_Redacted.pdf

I quote from section 7 of the document:

"However, the Tribunal remained concerned about two matters covered in the RSEO. Firstly, the Tribunal had been presented with an Electrical Installation Condition Report from the Landlord. The EICR had been prepared by a ****** of ******. Although the report described the installation as “Satisfactory”, there were multiple sections of the report that had not been completed or had N/A where there should be detail or confirmation of condition, e.g. the entirety of Sections 13, 14 and 15. The Section 17 entries did not make sense. There were no entries for circuit impedances at Section 16. The report did not confirm the operative or organisation were registered with a recognised trade body, such as Select or NICEIC. The membership number quoted at Section 6 did not identify any associated organisation and the Tribunal could not link it to any trade body on carrying out their own investigations. After having reviewed the terms of the EICR the Tribunal had concerns that it had not been completed with appropriate diligence or that the author had the necessary qualification or experience. Accordingly, the Tribunal determined that the EICR was not adequate and that a fresh EICR properly completed by a suitably qualified and experienced electrician would be required."

So not only is this rogue issuing fake EICRs, he's also pretending to be a member of NICEIC and/or SELECT. Falsely claiming to be NICEIC registered in Scotland can lead to a prison sentence, and rightly so.

My client will now need a fresh EICR to be done so the overall condition of the installation can be determined. Such is the appalling state of many electrical installations in Glasgow that I won't entertain fitting a replacement consumer unit unless an EICR is completed beforehand, or unless an EICR has already been done on the property in recent times by a bona-fide electrical contractor in which case I'm content to carry-out basic testing.

As I approach my 66th birthday I'm saddened to have borne witness to the decline in standards over the decades within the domestic sector of the electrical contracting industry in my native city. I've lost of count of the number of dodgy EICRs that I've uncovered. I've even found an EICR that was carried-out by a wetpants who deluded himself into believing that 'doing the regs course and passing' somehow endowed him with the competency to test electrical installations. You couldn't make this up. What a state our industry is in.​