Climate Minister buys a castle with 16 bathrooms... and a massive carbon footprint R

[confounded]

You could not make this stuff up, we do indeed live in interesting times.

"He is the climate change minister who pledged to ‘lead by example’ in the fight against global warming.

But Charles Hendry is facing accusations of hypocrisy after buying himself a 20-bedroom castle – with a potentially massive carbon footprint – as a second home.
Blair Castle in Ayrshire, which went on the market for £2.5million, has three storeys, 16 bathrooms and a heated outdoor swimming pool set in 260 acres of beautiful countryside."

Read more: Climate Minister buys a castle with 16 bathrooms... and a massive carbon footprint | Mail Online
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[moggy1968]

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Do as we say, not as we do.
see David Camerons solar installer has been speaking out, so the PM made sure he got in when the tariffs were good!!!

 

[powervan]

Re: Climate Minister buys a castle with 16 bathrooms... and a massive carbon footprin

listen lads (IM ALL RIGHT JACK) ?

 

[Deleted member 9648]

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So are you guys saying all country piles should be knocked down because they are not environmentally friendly?.....Maybe Charles Hendry has plans to make the house more energy efficient than it is now,if he hadnt bought it someone else would.....I can also assure you that there will be a lot of work which will go to local contractors....as in his constituancy pad in Sussex he uses local people.......cant see what the fuss is about.

 

[moggy1968]

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because he is preaching a mantra to us all that he doesn't follow. it's pure hypocrisy.
yes, he can live where he likes, but don't then preach to us all about how energy inefficient our homes are.
It makes no difference what he does to this property (and he will be limited in what he is allowed to do under the planning regs). it is still going to consume vastly more energy than a 3 bed semi!!!
One of my main complaints against the proposed changes is that it discriminates against older homes that can't meet the required energy efficiency and are therefore effectively barred from trying to reduce their carbon footprint because PV is made uneconomic. These older buildings should be preserved, and should be made more energy efficient where it can be done without substantially altering their character.
What shouldn't be happening is some Tory Toff preaching to us all about our lack of environmental effort when he is buying a place like this, and to add insult to injury it's a SECOND HOME, so it's consuming energy even though he won't be there the majority of the time.
personally I think it's incompatable with his job and he should resign.

 

[BruceB]

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Someone has got to own it or it will go to rack and ruin and I do not want to see all big old properties fall into disuse or be knocked down. I would prefer to judge him on how he behaves once he owns it. Does he install arrays of gas burning patio heaters or arrays of pv cells etc?

 

[Marvo]

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I agree, somebody has got to own it or it will end up as rubble. I would also judge him on what he does with the building rather than the fact he purchased it. I don't see why people are calling for him to step down.

 

[malcolmsanford]

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Strange I didn't think having a lower band energy efficient home were effectively barring you from installing PV on the roof, I must have missed that.

It just means your not going to make a fortune out of the rest of the energy bill paying customers because they will get a vastly reduced rate of FITs

 

[moggy1968]

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yes, someone has to purchase it and I don't want to see buildings like this go to ruin aither, but him purchasing it is gross hypocrisy.
so do you really think a 9p FiTS will encourage people to install PV? get a grip!
It's not about making a frotune, it's about it being viable. no one is arguing people should make a fortune from FiTS. The suggestion is that people should be encouraged to get into renewables by making it financially viable. The requirement for energy rating C or better, as has been agreed on here by numerous posters will make PV untenable for most people. many older homes could never achieve that efficiency rating so PV becomes an uneconomic prospect for them.
We have also proved that the impact on other p[eoples energy bills is negligable so lets forget that old chestnut as an excuse eh malcolm

 

[malcolmsanford]

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Moggy whether negligible or not, why should anyone have to subsidize someone else??

If it was only a penny a year why should I have to pay someone to get a return that in many cases on the new install prices could have seen over 10% in 7 to 8 yrs, it is as morally corrupt as a pyramid scheme.

Good luck to anybody getting returns on their money, but not at my expense or anyone else's for that matter.

I have absolutely no problem in subsidizing something that has a chance of working, and I have championed on here, and still will that PV in it's present state in the domestic market is not viable, and unless technology improves it dramatically it never will

Tidal may be a better option, not sure wind is as I have a horrible feeling these farms can do worse for the environment than the good. We have to face facts the only viable alternative at this time is nuclear, but because of the tree hugging scaremongers among us that thinlk it is the deveil incarnate, we have not developed it as we should

Moggy we hear that it could be 25k plus job lost, which is a shame and a tragedy, but I fought a year long battle to keep subsidized coal and in the end we lost 5 times that number in the industry alone, governments have been doing this in the UK for 300 years to the working man, and it will never change.

 

[SolarCity]

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I have absolutely no problem in subsidizing something that has a chance of working, and I have championed on here, and still will that PV in it's present state in the domestic market is not viable, and unless technology improves it dramatically it never will

Sorry Malcolm, but I disagree with you on this one. Exactly how is it not viable? If every roof in Britain had solar panels fitted to them then we'd produce more energy than we need.

So it is certainly viable in theory. Obviously, however, this would cost a ludicrous amount of money at the present time. What would be required would be a dramatic reduction in the cost of solar PV - imagine if the cost could be brough down to the point where it was no more expensive than fitting roof tiles. This could happen but it certainly won't happen without a good boost to get the market going.

Obviously green energy is going to cost more than energy from fossil fuels but it is diabolically wreckless to keep building these power stations when there is so much at stake from an environmental point of view.

 

[Des 56]

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Well said Malcolm.I have to agree entirely

Nuclear power is the obvious and only energy resource that makes sense both economically and regard climate concerns

Its weaknesses in the past have been used as a justification for uneconomic and primitive renewable alternatives, which are not ready to fill the gap left by not sticking with nuclear and in fact expanding its use greatly

 

[malcolmsanford]

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Biggs I have great respect for you, and of course your a victim of the ludicrous situation and I feel for you.

As I said in my post I have no trouble with subsidizing a technology but no way can I or do I want to subside it by this way.

When coal was subsidized it was the energy medium for I would say 80% (sic) of domestic homes and so even though tax payers subsidized this, 80% of the population was using it, and no individual person was making money on it, perhaps except the people delivering it.

PV you have the situation of where the original concept was lost, and organisations were going to make vast profits out of the FITs, it is bad enough in my eyes that an individual could do this, on subsidies, but organisation no way.

Yes the timing was perhaps not the best, and yes I understand that a lot of you guys have invested time and money into the industry and for that i'm sorry, but the bubble was just waiting to burst it really was, once the rent-a-roofers got involved.

 

[The Solar King]

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There has to be balance. PV is not the answer but an important part of the total answer. As far as subsidies are concerned those for PV are piddling. Remember we have all paid £75bn plus and counting in subsidies to decommission the existing nuclear power stations. The Big 6 are holding out for further subsidies to build new ones.

Yes there are problems with the current FITs program, no one has said there is not. We all want a sensible path of digression to the point of grid parity. What is needed is a level of subsidy that incentivises but does not lead to the position the scheme found itself in. Government policy very often has unforseen outcomes. The inclusion of social housing could quite possibly be better and more cost effectively addressed than through the invested route. This was no bubble.

As a non participant you are entitled to your views, even if in my opinion they are ill informed and incorrect.

 

[SolarCity]

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It is clear that a lot of people were making too much money from the FIT scheme and it definitely needed cutting - it was blindingly obvious 6 months ago.

However, you still have to give an incentive for people to invest their money in a new technology or you punish those that don't. The FIT is a great little system that does both. The biggest energy users will be the ones that pay the most.

The only problem with the FIT in its current state is that it is just too generous.

 

[malcolmsanford]

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As an engineer I have to work to design something that will give me the desired result. In order for me to carry out that design I need tangible inputs to achieve that goal, PV will never in it's present state give me these desired inputs because there are too many vagaries concerning them, that is why they are not regarded as efficient.

PV cells were designed and manufactured by NASA for use in space, where there was no source of ready or easy energy available and since then we have tried to utilize these for here on Terra firma, and they don't work to any degree of efficiency and that is it.

We can not use them at night, to store the electricity would be less green than the energy produced by them and far more costly. We can not guarantee their harvest output, from one day to the next let alone throughout a period of time and the list goes on.

Ok wind is the same and so too tidal, but night or day wind can be there but still IMO not efficient enough to develop in it's present form, and IMO the way we should go as an Island is Tidal, as that is there night and day whatever the weather conditions, and worth trying to develop.

You say it wasn't a bubble, well I'm not sure how you would describe it then, but in it present form it is over. It developed and grew and now it deflated.

 

[Earthstore]

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Here is my opinion, for what it's worth.
Both Malcolm and Biggs have some valid points, but times are changing fast in this modern world, I am not a tree huger, but there may well be something in this climate change, but we can not ask our great, great great grandchildren what the world is like as we will all be pushing up daisies by then, so if we do not do something it may be too late.
Rent a roof schemes were wrong and should not have been allowed, and yes the tariff was too high, but reduced in the wrong, if not unlawful way.
As to power stations, and the big six, hmmm, do any of you really want to be beholden to these companies for eternity, so they can charge you whatever they want for your energy, Just look at how energy costs have risen in the last 8 years then compare that to the 8 years previous, producing some of your own energy can protect you somewhat.
Oh and Des56 they want to build that power station at the end of your garden, it should be safe, however keep a close eye on your children though, as their health might not be as it should.. "Nuclear power is the obvious and only energy resource" My arse...
PV is not the answer, nor is wind either, but they all help.
In Germany the power stations were selling energy in the day time at their night time tariff, because so much renewable was being put into the grid.
Let's all work together on this and make it a better place for our children..

oh and one other point, we are going off topic here.

 

[moggy1968]

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malcolm, you talk rubbish. sorry but there it is.
you bleat on about how wonderful the coal industry was because it provided power for 80% of homes and no organisations profited from it, of course they did, and so did many of the individuals concerned, (scargill was never short of a bob or two). Fossil fuel was never going to provide a long term solution to our energy problems but we still rely on it for the majority of our energy production, coming from obsolete poluting power stations. This country has an energy production crisis. we consume more than we produce, and hey, here's a thing, the biggest demand is in the day time from industry, when all that solar is being ustilised!!! Yes, nuclear is the way ahead in the long term, but that takes time and we don't have time, the energy crisis is now and something needed to be done. Also to rely on just one source of energy is a dangerous gamble, spread the production through different technologies.

You bleat on (again!) about how the technology isn't yet good enough to make it worthwhile, well how on earth do you think the technology will improve without investment? You have to be able to sell your current product in order to invest in R&D for the future.
You have to invest in fledgling industry and technology in order to make it viable for the mass market in the future. I really wouldn't have thought an engineer would need that explaining to them!

And where do you think the money coomes from for building the new nuclear stations, from centralised power providers, thats who, and where do they get their money from, why from your electric bill, or from grants from Government paid for by your taxes, so whichever way you look at it your paying for it.

The power from tidal isn't as consistent as you suggest, tide speed varies and so does the power it generates. And there is that time factor yet again.

How you work out that PV is not efficient when the cells production carbon footprint is reclaimed after less than 5 years and the average house (as against a 16 bathroom mansion) needs just 2.6kW to be carbon neutral I don't know.

Small scale domestic PV generation provided an excellent means of quickly, and relatively cheaply getting more power onto the grid. now under pressure from the big 6 energy companies the Government has U turned and the consequences of that for the economy and the environment are a disaster.

And meantime the idiot that helped kill the industry and lectured us on our carbon footprint has just bought a massive 2nd home paid for at least in part by you malcolm!!

 

[confounded]

Re: Climate Minister buys a castle with 16 bathrooms... and a massive carbon footprin

As an engineer I have to work to design something that will give me the desired result.

As an engineer (as I am) you should be positively salivating at the prospect of being like Germany where on a windy sunny day they have to pay people to take power off the grid.

Our customers have to change habits of a lifetime when adopting solar PV, and they do perfectly well making good use of the energy they generate during the day.

Also you need to broaden your understanding of our current economic system before you try and look at energy and PV in the black and white way you appear to. You need to gain perspective of the subsidies this industry has received and will recieve.

 

[moggy1968]

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well said old chap!!

 

[The Solar King]

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OK, lets get back on topic. The issue for this gentleman will be his Energy Performance Certificate. Properties that are used for commercial purposes may soon have to have one, so I am sure he will want to show his green credentials. Only, he is going to have a little problem. This is undoubtedly a listed building, it is stone with no cavity wall, just dry lining in the main rooms and plastered on to the inside of the stone in the servants quarters (the bit we peasants would live in).

Now let me see, to get to a level C EPC we will need: 300mm min, insulation in the loft, cavity wall insulation, extensive draft proofing, double glazing, a high efficiency condensing boiler. Even this may not do it. Oh yes, its listed so no, you cannot install double glazing, um, no cavity? Don't think external insulation and rendering over that beautiful stonework will be allowed, so how about internal wall insulation? Oops, forgot about the beautiful cornices and other internal features that are listed. We can probably do some draft proofing, so that should help. Well that just leaves the gas condensing boiler. Oh, but you are off grid, better stick to the smelly old oil burner then.

So there we have it, an EPC of F or G for you my lad, so no PV and no Solar Thermal despite the fact installed to the rules in Scotland for historic buildings they could have a major impact on the energy performance of the building.

Tell that to your mates in Government and DECC.

 

[pjcomp]

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why should anyone have to subsidize someone else?? [\quote]

You're overlooking the fact that our taxation system is all about everyone subsidising everyone else. Do you spend enough time at the doctor to use up all your contributions to the NHS? If not, your subsidising someone else, if you use more then someone else is subsidising you. My children grew up and left home years ago but I'm still paying to support local schools. The list is endless. Want something less generic? The railways are heavily subsidised from taxation, most of it from people who rarely or never use the trains. How is subsidy for renewable energy systems any different?

PJ

 

[alarm man]

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well its certainly a beautiful building,and ironically seems to have quite a number of coal fires judging by all the chimney stacks..tho if every one in the country had a coal fire we would have cheap fuel,lots more employment and booming communities,i side with mal on this one,solar has a use but until all other fuels are exhausted.

 

[alarm man]

Re: Climate Minister buys a castle with 16 bathrooms... and a massive carbon footprin

why should anyone have to subsidize someone else?? [\quote]

How is subsidy for renewable energy systems any different?

PJ

because pv subsidy benefits the few,nationalised industries benefited the masses,created employment hence more people paying tax's more people spending in the local economy and give a cheap product to its users,look at the price of energy bills,its all profit going to the few and its the working man again who loses out,thats capitalism for you

 

[moggy1968]

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Thats a great idea alarm man, lets carry on using up all the fossil fuels until our children are left with nothing, then suddenly have to develop new technologies. Lets get back to the smog, lets get back to those lovely black stone buildings! If everyone in the country had a coal fire thousands every year would die of polution related disease. Our cities would be grossly poluted and in less than 50 years we would have no fuel left!!!!

I grew up in Dinnington, South Yorkshire. I was there during the miners strike and left school not long after with no prospect of a job so I know exactly what damage was done to the coal and steel industry. The difference is, they were obsolete and declining industries with no future, sapping increasing quantities of public money to keep going. That, of course, is before you consider the political aspects of the destruction of the mining industry.

The PV industry is the complete reverse, a dynamic forward thinking industry with a great future which could give us and our children clean cheap energy in years to come, but to achieve that it needs a degree of investment now. No one is asking for pots of gold, just enough to make it viable.

 

[alarm man]

Re: Climate Minister buys a castle with 16 bathrooms... and a massive carbon footprin

Thats a great idea alarm man, lets carry on using up all the fossil fuels until our children are left with nothing, then suddenly have to develop new technologies. Lets get back to the smog, lets get back to those lovely black stone buildings! If everyone in the country had a coal fire thousands every year would die of polution related disease. Our cities would be grossly poluted and in less than 50 years we would have no fuel left!!!!

I grew up in Dinnington, South Yorkshire. I was there during the miners strike and left school not long after with no prospect of a job so I know exactly what damage was done to the coal and steel industry. The difference is, they were obsolete and declining industries with no future, sapping increasing quantities of public money to keep going. That, of course, is before you consider the political aspects of the destruction of the mining industry.

The PV industry is the complete reverse, a dynamic forward thinking industry with a great future which could give us and our children clean cheap energy in years to come, but to achieve that it needs a degree of investment now.

weve all got our views mog,im not saying im right and im not saying your wrong,but personally id look at going back to coal again,it might have sapped public money as you say but so was/is solar,tho coal had more benefits for employment and a lower energy price to the public,we still have around a thousand years worth,thats not to say there is more or less,it could be less it could be way more,with the advancement in technology from 30 yrs ago more may be found,they used to say ironically 'coals to newcastle' as a way of saying something pointless.well have a trip down to the tyne and you will see we IMPORT thousands of tonnes of it from abroad..personally i dont support the green campaign,i dont belive in it,but if you do then i respect that,living in the north east i want to see a return to mining and shipbuilding,its in the past,but the way things are going jobs/economy wise its the future..

 

[Deleted member 9648]

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because he is preaching a mantra to us all that he doesn't follow. it's pure hypocrisy.
yes, he can live where he likes, but don't then preach to us all about how energy inefficient our homes are.
Presumably then you subscribe to the view that the entire population of the UK should live in identical 3 bed semi's,with identical energy efficiency??...how do you know that he does not follow the mantra of making his abode as energy efficient as it can possibly be?It makes no difference what he does to this property (and he will be limited in what he is allowed to do under the planning regs). it is still going to consume vastly more energy than a 3 bed semi!!!
One of my main complaints against the proposed changes is that it discriminates against older homes that can't meet the required energy efficiency and are therefore effectively barred from trying to reduce their carbon footprint because PV is made uneconomic. These older buildings should be preserved, and should be made more energy efficient where it can be done without substantially altering their character.
What shouldn't be happening is some Tory Toff preaching to us all about our lack of environmental effort when he is buying a place like this, and to add insult to injury it's a SECOND HOME, so it's consuming energy even though he won't be there the majority of the time.....Jealousy is a terrible thing.
personally I think it's incompatable with his job and he should resign.By your logic he should live in an unheated tiny house with no carbon footprint at all....walk everywhere...or maybe cycle....grow all his own food to avoid the carbon emmisions involved in transporting it to the supermarket....I could go on...As long as he takes all possible steps to reduce his carbon footprint within his lifestyle he is no more a hypocrite than anyone else.

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[SolarCity]

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As I am now a moderator of this forum, can I ask that people return to the subject or start another thread

....powers gone to my head already!

 

[i=p/u]

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money talks,,,,, i do believe we shouldnt be buying copal and fuels from iother countries..... we pay them big money but take control and still charge us as high as they can go, so whats new...

 

[i=p/u]

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you'l get a slap biggssolaar from the smallest guy for that craic.... oj why you and not me, rrr:

 

[PC Electrics]

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I agree, somebody has got to own it or it will end up as rubble. I would also judge him on what he does with the building rather than the fact he purchased it. I don't see why people are calling for him to step down.

one word: jealousy

 

[PC Electrics]

Re: Climate Minister buys a castle with 16 bathrooms... and a massive carbon footprin

I had a call from a chap recently. "I'm buying a new house and installing a menage, 60x30, and require floodlighting. Also some work in the house. I'll take you over there"

Met up, nicest chap you could wish for. Took me here:
Country house for sale in Northamptonshire: Great Addington Manor | Houses & properties for sale in the UK, property prices and property news | Houses for sale, properties for sale - Country Life

Turns out he's alsready "offed" a number of contractors who've tried to rip him off just 'cos he's got a few bob. Yet again jealousy.

He could end up being my new best customer. Turns out this is his company, HQed in Rugby:
Web Design, Website Design, Web Designers Services & Resources

Instead of being jealous, the way I see it is look after this chap and he'll look after me. How many other people could he recommend me to over the next few years?

 

[alarm man]

Re: Climate Minister buys a castle with 16 bathrooms... and a massive carbon footprin

I had a call from a chap recently. "I'm buying a new house and installing a menage, 60x30, and require floodlighting. Also some work in the house. I'll take you over there"

Met up, nicest chap you could wish for. Took me here:
Country house for sale in Northamptonshire: Great Addington Manor | Houses & properties for sale in the UK, property prices and property news | Houses for sale, properties for sale - Country Life

Turns out he's alsready "offed" a number of contractors who've tried to rip him off just 'cos he's got a few bob. Yet again jealousy.

He could end up being my new best customer. Turns out this is his company, HQed in Rugby:
Web Design, Website Design, Web Designers Services & Resources

Instead of being jealous, the way I see it is look after this chap and he'll look after me. How many other people could he recommend me to over the next few years?

a tt for the log cabin,or you sure sir..personally id export sir,a tt it is sir..

 

[moggy1968]

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wirepuller, you need to read what I have written. I stated the complete opposite of pulling down old houses and my major complaint against the introduction of the energy rating requirement is that it discriminates against older properties. I have never suggested knocking down older properties and the quote you have highlighted clearly says nothing of the sort. FYI my parents live in a grade 2 listed farmhouse, and I am fitting their PV on their garage roof before he deadline.
As I have said numerous times but you clearly either haven't bothered to either read or understand is the hypocrisy of someone preaching to us all the carbon message while living in a house like this, and then only some of the time. he either needs to find another job or practice what he preaches.

Jealousy, nah, he can keep his pile. I'll keep my beautiful familly, my health and my happiness thanks. The arguments against this individuals actions have nothing to do with jealousy, it's about hypocrisy. Now I know thats a difficult concept for a politician. I don't resent people with money, I applaud people who have worked hard to earn themselves a bob or two but hypocrites I can't abide, and this man is clearly a hypocrite.

Alarm man, if you think we have enough coal to last a thousand years you are clearly deluded. Foreign coal is cheaper than UK coal for reasons of geology, do your research.
You appear to have overlooked the environmental and health implications of your fossil burning ideology. Likewise, try doing a bit of research. have a look into the health and polution issues of a hundred years (or less) ago.

 

[Des 56]

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earthstore
Oh and Des56 they want to build that power station at the end of your garden, it should be safe, however keep a close eye on your children though, as their health might not be as it should.. "Nuclear power is the future"
My arse

I am another dissenter of solar power solutions and a very big supporter of what I see as the only realistic energy source to meet our needs for the next few decades at least

Although not someone who denies the trend for global warming and consequent climate change,I have my doubts,

The audacity of human beings to believe that their acts are of such importance, that planetary weather cycles are more influenced by them than natural cyclical efffects by our sun is sometimes astounding

Remember the hockey stick that has been so publicised as the marker for human interference,look again at that hockey stick in the context of planetary history and not human history and it melts into insignificance,a blip on the long history of earths climate and thats being generous

There is an energy shortage,in this country it was caused by premature and idiotic closure of our main natural fossil fuel,coal
To discard such a resource for short term political vindictivenes and energy foolishness by Thatcher was nothing short of national suicide of energy self sufficiecy

Reliance on foriegn fuel now has us in the stranglehold of less than reliable others
The renewables industry is ploughing ahead witout a well thought out strategy with uncontrolled subsidy

We threw away one subsidised valuable resource and are now subsidising a suspect energy that will not meet the demands for our future

Given that our gold in the ground has been ****ed on by Thatcher and our reliance on others is now very real
Nuclear,yes nuclear is the only option

Would I support it if it was at the bottom of my garden ?
I worked in collieries at the bottom of my street when the communities health was of no interest to those that discarded our energy resource,it would be less unpleasant to have nuclear with modern safety features that make its past problems probably obsolete

So the rich politician can light his open fire and burn the coals if thats what he wants,maybe it will bring home to him the foolishness of what his predecessors did to our energy resources and to its people worked and relied on it at the time

Well, at least thats my view and time alone will tell if it was right or wrong

 

[moggy1968]

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bearing in mind most of our coal now comes from germany how is it 25% of their energy comes from renewable sources if coal is so wonderful?
There was another factor in the destruction of the Uks minimg industry, Scargills ego! he tried to hold the country to ransom, Thatcher called his bluff.
As above, for reasons of geology our minimg was largely uneconomic compared to other countries. As our car industry discovered as well, you cannot artificially prop up a failing industry, what you can do though is invest in and support a fledgling growing one.

 

[alarm man]

Re: Climate Minister buys a castle with 16 bathrooms... and a massive carbon footprin

, you cannot artificially prop up a failing industry,

unfortunatley your finding that out too mogga..

 

[moggy1968]

Re: Climate Minister buys a castle with 16 bathrooms... and a massive carbon footprin

I decided to delete this message myself. It doesn't mean I have changed the view expressed, just that maybe expressing it here isn't the right place

 

[alarm man]

Re: Climate Minister buys a castle with 16 bathrooms... and a massive carbon footprin

read the last sentance you trolling muppet.
The solar industry was hardly a failing industry! Progressive, forward thinking, dynamic are more the words that spring to mind.
If we want to talk jealousy how about those people in the trades who missed the renewables boat, because of their own stupidity or inertia, or being too stuck in old failing technology who now live out their bitterness, resentment and jealousy trolling on forums they have nothing useful to contribute to?

i'll put that down to whatever mogga,i wont take offence,but troll im not,stuck in the past,not either,i have my views you yours,i'll take on the chin.you have the right to say it..

 

[Earthstore]

Re: Climate Minister buys a castle with 16 bathrooms... and a massive carbon footprin

So what about this house then?