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Today on an EICR I came across some old (1960's, I think) PVC lighting cable - twin red/black, no earth - where the red was crumbly. It behaved like old perishing rubber, any bending and it cracks - but it is defintely plastic of some sort. The black was perfectly OK, as was the sheath. Curious to know if anyone else has seen this in PVC cable.
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Interesting. The left-hand end of that specimen has a glossy sheen that initially made me wonder whether it was PE, rather than PVC, but is probably migrated plasticiser. PVC has multiple possible degradation modes such as plasticiser evaporation, hydrolysis and dehydrochlorination. How fast any of these processes occur depends on the material composition, temperature, environmental exposure etc. The processes interact and can be self-catalysing especially if the exudate cannot escape easily.

The plasticiser used in the batch of red insulation might have been of unusually low molecular weight, resulting in accelerated migration and evaporation, despite performing to spec during manufacture. Unlike cables with green goo, there won't have been any reaction with the conductors because they are tinned (the extreme loss of phthalate in green goo cables is usually the result of the antioxidant.)

Is the red insulation or the inside of the sheath sticky? Does it smell of anything?
 
No smell and nothing sticky on the red insulation inside or out, it is quite dry, has perhaps a waxy feel to it.
Unfortunately I didn't bring back a sample of the sheath but I don't recall it being sticky either.
 
I have some in front of me, Red/white/blue which I replaced some time ago which was used for two way switching in the house I live in. Kept it just for interest, but it is definitely more plastic than pvc and much harder to strip.

Regards.
 
I thought it might be PE hence my first comment.
@SJD, try burning a tiny bit outdoors. Does the smoke smell like candle wax?
 
OK so it's polyethylene, rather than PVC. I'm not 100% sure what the degradation mechanism is here, but I would think it's likely to be polymer chain cleavage. When the average molecular weight decreases to a certain point, it rapidly transitions from a plastic form to a brittle one. The trigger might be oxidation. Was that sample exposed to the air e.g. in an accessory back box or from within a sheathed section of cable? Are you able to get any more samples of complete cable or is that job finished?

I wonder why the red and black behave differently, given that @brianmoooore has experience of the red failing first too. We don't know whether the correlation is causative or coincidental.
 
The sample was from the end of a cable, part exposed, part sheathed - the red seemed equally crumbly in both cases - while the black was fine.

I don't currently have the chance to get any more samples. There is still some of this cable in service, recommended to be rewired, but that is probably not happening for a while.
 

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