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ecclescake

Am I the only one? I'm stick to death of coming on here and getting told the best electricians are career changers because they paid for it themselves. 16-21 year olds are no good because they have a life outside work. This scheme worked for nearly 100 years but now it can't why? All the 6 week wonders, taxi drivers and the rest of the M.U.M'S (made up mates) can bore me with your reasons.
 
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well i think you will find it has been the opposite on here of recent. the guys who have come through from career changes have been at times blasted for taking the quicker option.

i will give my opinion for what its worth on electricians coming into the trade from any walk of life.

the good old "Job For Life" unfortunately has all but gone. this is due to many things over the years and thus led to people not only wanting to but also needing to change career.

the best electricians in my book have no age boundaries either way. if you are passionate and want to learn and also do a good job you will turn out well regardless of age and sexuality. i have had the pleasure of working with guys and girls of all ages and all different ways into the trade.

some younger ones and also elder ones have qualities and also draw backs but everyone of them is an individual and should be judged by their own merits and not stereotyped. that`s to say not all the younger ones are bone idle and not all the elder ones are stuck in their ways.

I actually feel for the 6 week ones that have found the only way to get into the trade is to shell out a shed load of money and are keen to learn and a lot of the time only to find the grass without the good fortune of getting a start have spent a great deal of time and also money to get their qualification.

i also feel for the apprentice who take at times a great deal of grief and do all the crappy jobs.

in the ideal world their would be a good way for the adult to undertake a full apprentership and be giving the experience we all need to get along out there.

there has been a lot of talk about JIB gold card holders of late as well and tbh I can`t see why it matters how we come into the trade. its what we do when we come in that matters not how we got here.

for me it was a long hard slog getting in but i tell you what it was one of my proudest days to say i was an "Electrician"

lets not go down the usual route on this one of blasting each other where one guy has done the fast track one has served his time and the other has got the JIB gold card.

please bear in mind that we are all on this forum for the great place it has become i know there has been a great deal of hard work put in on here and lets not spoil it with arguments or
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"Am I the only one?" Looks like it.

"I'm stick to death of coming on here and getting told the best electricians are career changers because they paid for it themselves." I haven't seen anyone say that.

"16-21 year olds are no good because they have a life outside work." That will change with marriage, mortgage and kids but good on em for starting out whilst their young.

"This scheme worked for nearly 100 years but now it can't why?" H&S costing more, insurance premiums for employers, no company can give a 4 year grantee, a lot of school leavers can earn more in a factory than an apprenticeship so they can buy all the trendy clothes and mobiles.

"All the 6 week wonders, taxi drivers" What's wrong with anybody from another background trying to better themselves?

"and the rest of the M.U.M'S (made up mates) can bore me with your reasons." Sorry I'm only 3 weeks in on my 6 weeks course and if it is not multiple choice I can't answer.
 
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so what about me!!

i did a Engineering Apprenticeship with the royal navy in Mechanics and Electrics and was a Nuclear system operator / maintainer

i never touched BS7671 until 2008 when i did my 17th...... i never had a single electrical qual to my name until i did 17th but now i hold all relevant ones to the job and am also undergoing HV Training...

time served spark NOPE!! Electrical Mate?? NOPE!! 5 week Wonder?? NOPE!!

where do i fit in??? do i bore you???
 
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hi mate no one is saying all apprentices are this and no one thinks that all adult trainees or career changers are the ultimate sparky

i for one have done both
25yrs ago i was the new apprentice who got all the rough end of the stick thats why i gave it up as i felt i was getting nowhere even though it was the only job i wanted to do

and then after 25 years of being involved it electrical installation since my apprenticeship as well as other jobs that were a lot worse than my apprenticeship i tried many times to get another apprenticeship or similar , training ,jobs basically every way i could to keep getting back into the industry and after my partner and i had to give up work due to her becoming disabled and me becoming her full time carer for £53 a week
I decided again that this was my last chance to get qualifications at 40yr old to do the job i have only ever wanted to do
so after basically begging the jobcentre for help, training, funding, jobs , self employment
we pay privatley £4020 to get some basic quals no i dont have 2330 not through lack of trying to get
a course for it but through it ending and all the local colleges being full
i pay again privatley £540 for 2391 study every day for 12 hrs at least for 4 months and 8 weeks evenings at college not local to me I pass first time only 1 of 4 who did out of the 10 of us that took it and i was the only one not working in the industry and only 39% of the country passed and i was one and as well as being a carer, dog walker a father to two daughters and believe me at 16 and 18 theyre enough to deal with

next is to enrol with elecsa ,enrol for nvq, set up self employed with no help from the government or benefit agencies as according to them i am not classed as unemployed due to being a non proffessional full time carer and exempt from work or looking for work that there is no help what so ever for people like My mrs and i

so mate you see its not just you or me its the industry , the government, and most of all its the ones who dont want to do the job right in the first place

only you know if your good at what you do mate no matter what anyone tells ya
 
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Durham let's face it your a fast track cowboy because you haven't been doing it since you left school and you got your quals in a year or so. Wait a minute, I've not only described myself but at least 50% of all UK electricians.


By the way Durham, we all know that you were just a tea boy for the captain and COB on that sub :):):)
 
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plus my daughter has entered us into a dream weding competition to win adream weding lol
asif i dont have enough stress lol

but if you would consider voting for my mrs and I then you can until midnight lol the 25th see chit chat part of forum hehe in other words tonight 17hrs 30 mins until voting ends hehe

0901 151 0280 or text wedding leave a space then type 0280 calls cost 51p from bt other networks glossy moblies such as htc android and blackberry phones may vary lol so may costya more beyond the contract if ya have one txts cost 50p plus standard network text

thank you and thanks to everyone who voted sorry for changing the conversation but i have to try or the mrs will kill me
 
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Durham I only said it to wind you up :), I saw it on CSI last week.


Brucelee, you would make a great politician at election time. Look at him squeezing those last few hung voters.;)
 
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Durham I only said it to wind you up , I saw it on CSI last week.
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i know...!!! you sure it was not NCIS you were watching rather than CSI???

and actually yes i did make the chicken dipper a few mugs of tea!! he was most welcome in the engine room at periods of quiet times!! but to make up for it i used to charge his mess bill with chocolate and sweets!! :) hey it was a honesty system where you ticked off what you bought from the canteen (or in our case on a sub a bucket full of sweets and choccy!) i was fully honest what i bought just not honest who got charged for it!!
 
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hi paul got to try as it may be the difference between a labour or a tory/ lib dem alliance

durham i had a feeling it was submarines and surface didnt guess the target lol
 
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Caption quiz:- "you did a fast track didn't you?"
"yes"
"well fast track your but downstairs and pick up that screw driver I've just dropped"



And yes it was ncis
 
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ecclescake said:
Am I the only one? I'm stick to death of coming on here and getting told the best electricians are career changers because they paid for it themselves. 16-21 year olds are no good because they have a life outside work. This scheme worked for nearly 100 years but now it can't why? All the 6 week wonders, taxi drivers and the rest of the M.U.M'S (made up mates) can bore me with your reasons.
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I feel the same when people like me harp about JIB Gold Card Approved Electricians being the best lol even though they are lol

Times are changing, and the industry is being watered down imo, but that don't mean career changers make any a less of an Electrician than me of anyone else.

Experience finds people out, that's a FACT, so that's what I play on with customers or who ever.
 
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ezzzekiel said:
disagree i got a jib gold card and im rubbish :)
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Can tell by your posts you know a bit lol anyway all the sparks I know what hold JIB tickets are Electricians, not good ones, because your either an Electrician or your not.

There's no in between either imo, no such thing as a defined one either, you can either do a bit of everything (and that don't mean everything single thing) domestic, commercial and industrial or you can't.

And I bet most sparks who get involved in the majority of the threads can do a bit of everything.
 
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The one thing i have never understood is people that moan about the JIB, yes they are a pain in the arse and in so many ways useless etc. But the amount of people that moan about them because can't get a ticket because they dont have the correct quals. This gets my back up, for this reason i like the JIB, they still seperate the different types of 'electricians'. I have nothing agaisnt the people who do the short courses, i understand there reasons and i have no doubt some of them are decent. But at the end of the day, any half decent site in this country wont let a spark step on site inless there JIB, and long stay it this way.
 
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ecclescake said:
Am I the only one? I'm stick to death of coming on here and getting told the best electricians are career changers because they paid for it themselves. 16-21 year olds are no good because they have a life outside work. This scheme worked for nearly 100 years but now it can't why? All the 6 week wonders, taxi drivers and the rest of the M.U.M'S (made up mates) can bore me with your reasons.
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I must say that I do not see many posts saying that career changers are the best or anything about JIB gold cards. I myself am a time served from leaving school at 16 years old. I do not think I am better than any career changer. Yes I am sure I have more experience than alot of them but I am equally sure that some of them could put me to shame. Now in saying all that I do from time to time get frustrated at certain post asking questions and then they get a bit shirty when they do not get the responce they had hoped for. As far a I am aware this forum is about creating a community for fellow electricians to make some mates and help each other out. Certainly not to try to find the best electrician or have a go at each other. I find the best thing to do is ignor threads or posts I dont like.
 
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a good electrician in my opinion is someone who is good at not only installing but understanding how that system works. Electricians come from all walks off life be time served or career changers. What about career changers who have got say 10 years experience? I'm working with a bloke from a domestic background who seems to know his stuff but it took him half a day to put one piece of galv tube up then decided to take it down cos he couldn't get it level! Some electricians may be the best there is at house bashing and some may be amazing metal munchers! I also think that a decent electrician would always be in work even in the current climate that were in.

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well i think you will find it has been the opposite on here of recent. the guys who have come through from career changes have been at times blasted for taking the quicker option.

i will give my opinion for what its worth on electricians coming into the trade from any walk of life.

the good old "Job For Life" unfortunately has all but gone. this is due to many things over the years and thus led to people not only wanting to but also needing to change career.

the best electricians in my book have no age boundaries either way. if you are passionate and want to learn and also do a good job you will turn out well regardless of age and sexuality. i have had the pleasure of working with guys and girls of all ages and all different ways into the trade.

some younger ones and also elder ones have qualities and also draw backs but everyone of them is an individual and should be judged by their own merits and not stereotyped. that`s to say not all the younger ones are bone idle and not all the elder ones are stuck in their ways.

I actually feel for the 6 week ones that have found the only way to get into the trade is to shell out a shed load of money and are keen to learn and a lot of the time only to find the grass without the good fortune of getting a start have spent a great deal of time and also money to get their qualification.

i also feel for the apprentice who take at times a great deal of grief and do all the crappy jobs.

in the ideal world their would be a good way for the adult to undertake a full apprentership and be giving the experience we all need to get along out there.

there has been a lot of talk about JIB gold card holders of late as well and tbh I can`t see why it matters how we come into the trade. its what we do when we come in that matters not how we got here.

for me it was a long hard slog getting in but i tell you what it was one of my proudest days to say i was an "Electrician"

lets not go down the usual route on this one of blasting each other where one guy has done the fast track one has served his time and the other has got the JIB gold card.

please bear in mind that we are all on this forum for the great place it has become i know there has been a great deal of hard work put in on here and lets not spoil it with arguments or
insults
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very well said.
 
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SPARTYKUS said:
Surely the 2391 is a good marker
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Id love to agree with you mate, but it is not the case.

Ive got the 2391 written (practical next Tuesday). But I haven't worked big time in electrical installation for over ten years (ive been playing in the mud). However, I did train, and, work as an electrician for 13 years from school.

Examinations don't equal experience.

Ten years of being out of the game leaves me unexperienced to an extent (even if i do understand GN3).

I think experience scores the points.
 
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I myself did not have a chance as to serve an apprenticeship as was full time working paying rent bills etc so like a lot of people had to do a 3 year evening course 2360 pt1 & 2,16th edition(at the time),2391,coming home 3 nights a week at 10pm doing coursework when i at weekends that was a tough 3 years but worth it in the end.Having said that when i had all the quals and asked for a payrise i got treated like a **** and for good reason because i still didnt know my arse from my elbow,i thought to myself why did i bother,people are only ever going to treat me like an apprentice,but with time and experience it changes,if someone has skill then to some extent they can learn and be competent at certain electrical works,the industry is so vast,that as unfortunate as it may be the apprenticeships are getting fewer,the fastrack route will more than likely be peoples only way to earn a good living,so we need to give them a break and just encourage them do a great job whatever work they do,as much as it may pain some on the forum who spent five years+ doing there apprenticeships(and i would have liked to have done it that way),for many they do not have the option,what else can they do.
 
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I didn't say that people who can't bend tube are bad electricians, I'm saying that some electricians are good at one type of work and other people better at other things! why do people always take offence on here!

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bruce lee nearly same as me,undicided when 16 took electronics then electrical 2360-1 then a few years working electrical no work so did electronics repair technician a few years then a bad relationship for years then i woke up and back to college 2007 2360-2,2391 working here and on ships 2382-10 next nvq3.
ime 36 now so am i a career changer, just cause ime not recognised by jib? i am glad i have 2360 at my age because of the stigma that seems to be around these new courses.
i have mostly worked comercial industrial building enjoy tray, conduit, basket etc but as jib stopping my full cards have had to work under a 'mates' umbrella in this country and as had my first child last year have taken time out but need work here for a while so need propper jib,
 
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