Lack of neutrals

[Badged01]

Some of the posts/replies/questions/answers etc ..... on this thread confirm my long held suspicion that its not just the domestic arena that needs some competency checks and balances but the commercial/industrial areas as well. Once let loose in that environment there really seems to be no control, unless there happens to be a competent and dilligent electrical works manager (or equivalent) who knows his stuff and is willing to reign his troops in!

Do we need an authorative and beefed up equivalent of the "Part P" police coming to factories near you soon (with a suitable HSE rep in tow) ....... alas, I no longer have to work in that environment :angel_smile:

 

[Lucien Nunes]

isolate one of the neutrals and make safe, then switch on all lighting MCBs and again make note of what lights are not on, should if shared show possibly 2 circuits out maybe more.

Does not sound like a good method if it's a TP+N board - could end up with some nasty voltages if disconnected neutral serves more than one phase!

 

[Darkwood]

Part P has messed up the domestic arena ...please don't suggest that its expanded to our fields of work it would be a disaster, there is little if any prep for working in large industry in modern courses so pointless anyway what is needed is an industrial level extension to modern courses, I worked for several yrs in the industrial sector under supervision before been allowed to inspect and test, design and install etc ... too many 'Electricians are crossing the border without realising that it a very different world and usually beyond their competence.... unless you have yrs of experience of varying install methods, machine supplies, lighting set-up etc etc then you should not be doing inspection and testing on the boards, unfortunately there is nothing at the moment to stop a Qualified Electrician without experience in this field from walking into it and doing inspections and work.. Im not talking of wiring an extra socket etc here Im talking the more involved work and design.

 

[Badged01]

My point exactly Darkwood. Unless you are in a very regulated industrial environment no-one seems to be policing the competency of 'electricians' working out there!

Think what we may of "Part P", atleast it was an attempt to try and regulate the domestic environment and ensure only 'competent' persons could work there. My personal view is that it isnt working because the levels of competency arent high enough or policed enough and it needs a total re-vamp.

I'd go as far as to say the whole electrical industry needs a good look at itself because for me JIB/NECEIC/ECA etc..... are all the same. They profess to be 'governing' bodies of different magnitudes but ultimately they are there to make money by signing up punters to their scheme

 

[Pete999]

Part P has not only up----ed the Domestic arena, it has released a backlash into the Commercial and industrial arenas as well judging by this thread, when will the scams stop playing with peoples lives, Oh sorry the lure of cash seems to have over come all decency with regards to safety, I don't mean to offend anyone but fcs lets get real

 

[Knobhead]

I’ve only known one domestic guy cross over in to heavy industrial successfully. He was supposed to shadow me for 6 months, I told the company to let him loose after a month.
He was a natural. If we had a big project on I enjoyed working with him. He was as bad tempered as me, the boss was terrified of us being together.

 

[Badged01]

Cash is king and as long as there is a profit to be made .........

 

[RogertheBodger]

Bit of a long shot here, but under the NEC in the US it was allowed, I think still is allowed, to run three single phase circuits with a shared or common neutral, think they call it an Edison circuit.
I don't know how such an arrangement could end up in Scotland but it sounds like what you've got.
Perhaps the building or the people who wired it have an american connection, maybe other countries, like Poland, use it, but if that's what you've got be very careful when working on it.

 

[davesparks]

I’ve only known one domestic guy cross over in to heavy industrial successfully. He was supposed to shadow me for 6 months, I told the company to let him loose after a month.
He was a natural. If we had a big project on I enjoyed working with him. He was as bad tempered as me, the boss was terrified of us being together.

I reckon I could have a good crack at making that transition, although I'm not strictly domestic only. And the way I feel at the moment I could happily jack it in and start afresh, follow my grandad's footsteps into the world of mines and quarries.