Not Good practice I know but

[lofty84]

Problem is Trev not sure what they are mate will I be able to get em in bandq

 

[trev]

Without a doubt mate.

 

[VoltzElectrical]

If you really have done the 2330 level 2 and 3, then you should have built all of this up before in the booth?

 

[Robson689]

Problem is Trev not sure what they are mate will I be able to get em in bandq

Think of it as a ceiling pendant without the flex

 

[shanky887614]

Your saying you passed your 2330 but dont know how to wire a 2 way switch?

And your changing consumer units!..

what lvl 2330 if you dont mind me asking? they covered 2 way switching at lvl2 so im guessing you only did lvl1

 

[russty]

This is a wind up surely?? The spelling isn't up to much either

 

[VoltzElectrical]

it's really quite difficult to comprehend the abject failure of understanding of basic electrical circuits and terminology by someone claiming to have completed the very course that most people on here promote above the Electrical Trainee courses, as the one that will provide students with the real training they need.

What happened?

 

[VoltzElectrical]

I changed my parents consumer unit to a new 17th eddition MK one a little while ago. Everything went well and when I turned it all back on there was no problems with any of the rcd tripping so it looked like everything was good and I knew what Iw as doing. Today though I was just being nosey and trying to work out this 2 way lighting mylarkey as its always confussed me so much so I always let someone else do it while I did something else. well anyway I turn of the mcb which I running the downstairs lights and on the right hand side rcd. the upstairs is on the left as you do. well having turned it off and watching the lights go out I set about undoing everything (taking a picture of it before of course) to see if I could work it all out (which I couldnt) and low and behold I got a bloddy shock. Im gonna sound a right cowboy but most of my tools are in my buddys van so I didnt have me voltage/continuity tester to double check and just plouged in as the lights had gone of but as I say I got a shock. Im thinking there must have been a borrowed neautral or something from the lights upstairs somewhere but Im not sure. I didnt want to turn the upstairs light breaker of and then touch it again to find out and obviously I didnt have my tester to see, so I just turnt everything of at the main switch terminated everything back together as per the photo and turned it back on where it all works as before.

Any ideas what is going on and am I right about it being down to a shared neautral somewhere. I will set about finding it if it is but I wont be that till i buy a mft

cheers

How are you going to learn by running away from things you don't understand?

 

[lofty84]

Ive completed the whole course 2330 level 3. no unfortuantely we never did anypractical with the college I was with. I would appologise about my spelling if I was actually bothered so please forgive me russty x


right ok Ive just got back from B&Q plus screw fix and brought everything the snowball put on that list, I also got a 4ft long by 2 ft wide piece of chipboard to mount it all onto. everyones probably gone out for the evening now or is spending it with the family so I might have to wait untill tommorow before I start to construct this.


JUst need to know how to go about laying it all out on the board now... is anyone willing to assist x

 

[VoltzElectrical]

All ive ever done is domestic its not through a lack of trying tho people just dont wanna know.

Quite scary that you have only done domestic, but STILL don't know how two-way switching circuits work, or are installed.

 

[VoltzElectrical]

Sorry Tony I missed this thanks for showing an interest. This is what happened mate

Basically I start a new job on Monday Im not sure how I got it but I did, so having had to go back into a office I thought I would try and work out this 2 way lighting mylarkey but half an hour later and after fraing what I saw in the switch at the bottom of the stairs and the top I decide I would move on.

As I say having got no where with that I thought Id have a look at the lighting in the dinning room.

In the dinning room there is two lights one on the left and one on the right really. when i flick the left switch the left light came on and when I flicked the right switch the right hand light turned on. right I thought I know what Ill do Ill rewire this so that when you flick the left switch the right hand light came on and when you flicked the rights hand switch the left light came on. I dont know why I wanted to do this maybee a bit of a confidence booster which sounds silly but I wanted to do it anyway.

so with both ligths switched on I went back the the board and flicked of the breaker which does the downstairs lighting and off they turnt. excellent. so i pull out my screwdriver and undo the 2 screws and set about undoing the termiations. out comes the cable in the left whcih had the red (live) going into the common and black (neautral aka switchline) I know that correct but confirmation would be good going into the 1 way hole, there is also a hole with 2 way above it but this has been left emty. I do the same for the right hand side and it is wired exactly the same as the left. anyway as i go to rewire it and touch the live cable (not sure which one) I got a shock

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Start at the begining. What does this 2g switch in the dining room do? Which light does each side of the switch operate?

Sorry Tony I missed this thanks for showing an interest. This is what happened mate

Basically I start a new job on Monday Im not sure how I got it but I did, so having had to go back into a office I thought I would try and work out this 2 way lighting mylarkey but half an hour later and after fraing what I saw in the switch at the bottom of the stairs and the top I decide I would move on.

As I say having got no where with that I thought Id have a look at the lighting in the dinning room.

In the dinning room there is two lights one on the left and one on the right really. when i flick the left switch the left light came on and when I flicked the right switch the right hand light turned on. right I thought I know what Ill do Ill rewire this so that when you flick the left switch the right hand light came on and when you flicked the rights hand switch the left light came on. I dont know why I wanted to do this maybee a bit of a confidence booster which sounds silly but I wanted to do it anyway.

so with both ligths switched on I went back the the board and flicked of the breaker which does the downstairs lighting and off they turnt. excellent. so i pull out my screwdriver and undo the 2 screws and set about undoing the termiations. out comes the cable in the left whcih had the red (live) going into the common and black (neautral aka switchline) I know that correct but confirmation would be good going into the 1 way hole, there is also a hole with 2 way above it but this has been left emty. I do the same for the right hand side and it is wired exactly the same as the left. anyway as i go to rewire it and touch the live cable (not sure which one) I got a shock[/QUOTE]

Bizarre! Hole??? do you mean 'terminal'?

 

[lofty84]

voltz stop being a show off

im lvl3 but the guys i worked with use to make me get on with something else even if they were doing something that I didnt know how to do even if I asked if I could watch em

 

[VoltzElectrical]

Ive completed the whole course 2330 level 3. no unfortuantely we never did anypractical with the college I was with. I would appologise about my spelling if I was actually bothered so please forgive me russty x


right ok Ive just got back from B&Q plus screw fix and brought everything the snowball put on that list, I also got a 4ft long by 2 ft wide piece of chipboard to mount it all onto. everyones probably gone out for the evening now or is spending it with the family so I might have to wait untill tommorow before I start to construct this.


JUst need to know how to go about laying it all out on the board now... is anyone willing to assist x

Surely to God, if you do this for a living you should be able to put some accessories together on a bit of plywood?

One guy I worked for when I started out had a favourite saying. 'Just have a little think about it'.

You must be able to apply the principles of logic to the scenarios you will encounter day to day. 'THINK' about it!

It's only switching. Follow the electricity around the circuit. You will never get to where you want to be by relying on other people all the time.

Perhaps you think I'm being mean, but I can't believe you haven't been roasted alive on this forum by now.

Just think how chuffed you will be when you get it all working, having worked it out by yourself. Then you will truly understand the concept behind it and this will help you correctly wire up circuits in the real world, and also fault find and rectify (starting with your own house).

 

[lofty84]

Tough love I suppose but could really do with an idea how to best lay it all out ill struggle enough with the wiring

 

[VoltzElectrical]

voltz stop being a show off

im lvl3 but the guys i worked with use to make me get on with something else even if they were doing something that I didnt know how to do even if I asked if I could watch em

just because you have a piece of paper saying that you are level 3 doesn't mean that......oh well, never mind.

 

[VoltzElectrical]

Tough love I suppose but could really do with an idea how to best lay it all out ill struggle enough with the wiring

lay it all out on the wood on the floor, without fixing it down, then post a picture up, we'll go from there.

 

[lofty84]

just downloading it from my phone, this is probably really going to **** you off but how do I then upload it onto this thread please?

 

[irn-brue]

no offence mate but as mentioned earlier if you cant make up a practice rig for a simple two way lighting switch you should not be changing consumer units. and some times u have to think on your feet especially being an electrician your learning everyday and come across things you havent done before. give the practice rig a try though mate but try and figure some off it out your self.hopefully constructive criticism.

 

[Robson689]

Press the insert image button and upload the picture.

Looks like this:

 

[Knobhead]

Sorry Tony I missed this thanks for showing an interest. This is what happened mate

How the hell did I get dragged in to this farce?

 

[DJ Ovengloves]

A bit bum licky, but one of the best posts I've seen on here!

Surely to God, if you do this for a living you should be able to put some accessories together on a bit of plywood?

One guy I worked for when I started out had a favourite saying. 'Just have a little think about it'.

You must be able to apply the principles of logic to the scenarios you will encounter day to day. 'THINK' about it!

It's only switching. Follow the electricity around the circuit. You will never get to where you want to be by relying on other people all the time.

Perhaps you think I'm being mean, but I can't believe you haven't been roasted alive on this forum by now.

Just think how chuffed you will be when you get it all working, having worked it out by yourself. Then you will truly understand the concept behind it and this will help you correctly wire up circuits in the real world, and also fault find and rectify (starting with your own house).

 

[Toby Kuhnert]

How on earth did you pass 2330 Level 3 when not doing any practical?? Level 2 has an entire unit containing a 2 1/2 day practical exam. and you need L2 to gain entry to L3???? ...

 

[trev]

How the hell did I get dragged in to this farce?

Different Tony mate, the one in question has a surname which you don't need

 

[DNS1]

How on earth did you pass 2330 Level 3 when not doing any practical?? Level 2 has an entire unit containing a 2 1/2 day practical exam. and you need L2 to gain entry to L3???? ...

People won't like it, but this another perfect example of why the demise of the trade is not all about Electrical Trainee... This guy has done the 2330 but can't understand basic circuits and thinks nothing of changing a CU without testing. There are plenty of fast track guys on here who would never dream of working like that...

 

[VoltzElectrical]

How on earth did you pass 2330 Level 3 when not doing any practical?? Level 2 has an entire unit containing a 2 1/2 day practical exam. and you need L2 to gain entry to L3???? ...

Doesn't make sense does it? It's a central requirement of the qualification. Full booth of lighting, and ring final, SWA, tube and singles, trunking, Consumer unit, all from scratch, photographed and tested.

I did it all first time around Level 2 Performing Electrical Operations, or something like that, then again level 3 2330. And again AM2. Then on site again NVQ level 3.

IMO you can't gain 2330 WITHOUT doing booth install. Dunno what OP has done, but he's missed something out somewhere.

 

[lofty84]

View attachment 17578


heres what I got

 

[VoltzElectrical]

doesn't work. Try again! (bit like your lighting circuit) lol.

 

[VoltzElectrical]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Electrical-...=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1362252580&sr=1-4

buy this, it's all in there.

 

[longboat1]

This must be a wind up.

Problem is Trev not sure what they are mate will I be able to get em in bandq

 

[lfcsparkycus]

jesus christ man. everyones gotta start somewhere but you know your limits, a board change with no test gear if you cant understand 2 way switching is just f stupid and suicidal.

 

[DNS1]

jesus christ man. everyones gotta start somewhere but you know your limits, a board change with no test gear if you cant understand 2 way switching is just f stupid and suicidal.

This kind of reminds me of the photos you see of people in India working under cars which are propped up on bits of wood!

 

[VoltzElectrical]

come on lofty, where's the pic of the install?

 

[Toby Kuhnert]

Doesn't make sense does it? It's a central requirement of the qualification. Full booth of lighting, and ring final, SWA, tube and singles, trunking, Consumer unit, all from scratch, photographed and tested.

I did it all first time around Level 2 Performing Electrical Operations, or something like that, then again level 3 2330. And again AM2. Then on site again NVQ level 3.

IMO you can't gain 2330 WITHOUT doing booth install. Dunno what OP has done, but he's missed something out somewhere.

exactly, I did a full booth install with steel conduit and trunking, swa supply, consumer unit, singles, RFC, 2 way switched lighting etc etc then all the testing involved! Just doing my 302 inspection and testing exam in less than 2 weeks time! and you would have a lot of background knowledge of how a basic 2 way lighting circuit works... no offence to the OP...

 

[growler]

this dudes an idiot. he should get a job flipping burgers before he kills himself or somebody else !

 

[onions1066]

I've just wasted 20 mins of my life reading this, this is a wind up guys I'm telling you now, I think he likes the attention. I think he must be related to my mrs.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Lofty mate,

Limit the information you post!
You made the fatal mistake of admitting doing work without decent test gear.

Never reveal more than you have to!!!!

 

[DNS1]

Lofty mate,

Limit the information you post!
You made the fatal mistake of admitting doing work without decent test gear.

Never reveal more than you have to!!!!

Great advice! I learnt ages ago not to mention that I was trained by Pete from the pub and only make sure the power is off by using a volt stick...

Oh, oops... :s

 

[Silly Sausage]

I was on site once, 1st day, bloke says you need to use this, that or the other, I was about say 'What is that?'. get a kick in the leg by mate....

Less is More!

 

[Engineer54]

Let's face it, ...there is no way our friend has been through the 2330 levels or an NVQ!! He is at best a electrical trainee with a 17th edition certificate, and that's the truth of it!!

 

[Toby Kuhnert]

Let's face it, ...there is no way our friend has been through the 2330 levels or an NVQ!! He is at best a electrical trainee with a 17th edition certificate, and that's the truth of it!!

And the fact that he's not replying to anything about the 2330 just goes to show....

 

[Knobhead]

About time this litany of incompetence was ended.

 

[Stroppy]

2330 without any practical at all can't be proper 2330, unless he's been Royally ripped off by some shysters.

 

[growler]

i think he got his 2330 in a cracker at christmas !

 

[Geordie Spark]

How the hell did I get dragged in to this farce?

He just knows you're such a good natured helpful chap.

 

[markythesparky]

I feel sorry fo rthis guy (if its not a wind up). this is a sign of the sh*t state this country has become.

No one is trained properly any more.
No one cares if hes trained properly anymore
No one cares about giving proper training anymore
No one gives a ---- about doing the job properly anymore

and every day there are more and more 'no ones'.

Bloody Sad!