Plant Pot Brigade!

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andrew692003

Does anyone want to join? :)

As I've stated before I have never used these between floors or in any new builds so don't get out the sniper rifles straight away! ;)

The only time I have used clay pots has been in lofts where access isn't a problem and usually in older dwelling houses. Now, the last time I did this was a good couple of years ago not that that matters as I can't see a problem with it.

When fitting the pots I always make sure that the insulation is clear of the hole and all dust etc has been cleaned away then I fit the pot with the transformer outside lying on top of the insulation. I always push the insulation up against the pot which makes it very steady.

At the end of the day all you are trying to achieve is to stop debris falling on the lamp and letting the heat dissipitate to possibly stop causing fire so, does it matter whether you use a firehood, plasterboard box or a bloody clay plant pot?

Firehoods can be expensive and a PIA to fit, Plasterboard boxes take time to build and even the cheapest Firerated fittings can still up the cost considerabaly.

Cheers
 
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Stop shouting and calm down this thread was was origionally started as a bit of a joke (I believe)

Why would you be dragged through the courts for installing downlighters within a house that had a fire? (unless it was caused by you, of course).
 
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Notsosmart said:
Stop shouting and calm down this thread was was origionally started as a bit of a joke (I believe)

Why would you be dragged through the courts for installing downlighters within a house that had a fire? (unless it was caused by you, of course).
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Exaclty........
No not shouting I;m having a bit of a laugh too. lol:D:D:D:D

roukel01 said:
it wouldn't happen i'm afraid. You've been reading too many health and safety books, perhaps your concerns could be put to better use and you could retrain these customers to store their unwanted items in a more convenient and safe place, and allow me to continue using my trusty pots to protect the fittings.
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pot luck..............................:d
 
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I think this debate has gone off on tangent's
1:what use are they being put to 2: What are the acoustic and fire rating properties of Flower pots?

Before the debate continues may I refer all tp building regs parts B and E

then we'll start again
 
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I wonder if we could get the powers that be to test them.....

I can get two for a quid in Poundland, what's a fire hood nowadays, eight, nine quid? We could flog em for a fiver each if they were certified, as the electriciansforums consortium.

I get an extra 5% because it was my idea.
 
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rocker said:
I wonder if we could get the powers that be to test them.....

I can get two for a quid in Poundland, what's a fire hood nowadays, eight, nine quid? We could flog em for a fiver each if they were certified, as the electriciansforums consortium.

I get an extra 5% because it was my idea.
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might get even cheaper in a fire sale
 
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Notsosmart said:
Stop shouting and calm down this thread was was origionally started as a bit of a joke (I believe)

Why would you be dragged through the courts for installing downlighters within a house that had a fire? (unless it was caused by you, of course).
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Non compliance to part P ' negligence, rapid spread of fire, smoke inhalation especially if you install gimble's
 
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This is beginning to look more like a thread on the screwfix forum. :eek:

Do you think we could get this rather exhausted thread upto 100 pots, sorry I mean Posts.
 
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bugsy said:
Non compliance to part P ' negligence, rapid spread of fire, smoke inhalation especially if you install gimble's
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So a fire rated fitting has been installed, this fails (negligence?) & the non BSEN compliant plant pot that was put in the loft merely as a precautionary measure against insulation &/or detritus dust etc, causes the rapid spread & smoke inhalation: how?
 
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simple- no hole = less fire spread
with hole = more fire spread

If debris fell on a flower pot would it smash? could it then push the fitting out?
If debris fell on a Fire hood, plaster / metal box would it smash? or, would it flatten over the hole?

What one would you bet your life on.
 
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Notsosmart said:
So a fire rated fitting has been installed, this fails (negligence?) & the non BSEN compliant plant pot that was put in the loft merely as a precautionary measure against insulation &/or detritus dust etc, causes the rapid spread & smoke inhalation: how?
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If you install a fire rated fitting fails it's down to the manufacturer not you'
If you install a plant pot and a standard gimble fitting ( as an example ) and the spread of fire or smoke can be attributed to your fitting and plant pot whci don't comply to part p you could be held responsible for negligence i.e. you failed to comply with building reg's don't forget we live in a litigation mad society, why do think there are so many health and safety rules - not for fun it's so everybody covers their **** .

With regards to your question how? examine a fire rated fitting and the a gimble fitting you'll see how
 
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martysparky said:
simple- no hole = less fire spread
with hole = more fire spread

If debris fell on a flower pot would it smash? could it then push the fitting out?
If debris fell on a Fire hood, plaster / metal box would it smash? or, would it flatten over the hole?

What one would you bet your life on.
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Your making the assumption that I advocate the use of plant pots.
Nor the plasterboard one, that would likely smash as well; you are also making the assumption that Mr careless hasn't kicked half of the fire hoods around his loft space whilst dragging the telly & riding his bike around up there.:D
 
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bugsy said:
If you install a fire rated fitting fails it's down to the manufacturer not you'
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Doh really? My point entirely
bugsy said:
If you install a plant pot and a standard gimble fitting ( as an example ) and the spread of fire or smoke can be attributed to your fitting and plant pot whci don't comply to part p you could be held responsible for negligence i.e. you failed to comply with building reg's don't forget we live in a litigation mad society, why do think there are so many health and safety rules - not for fun it's so everybody covers their arse With regards to your question how? examine a fire rated fitting and the a gimble fitting you'll see how
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No-on mentioned 'gimble' fittings apart from you, all other posts were talking about using fire rated downlighters

I think this post has run its course.
 
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Notsosmart said:
Your making the assumption that I advocate the use of plant pots.
Nor the plasterboard one, that would likely smash as well; you are also making the assumption that Mr careless hasn't kicked half of the fire hoods around his loft space whilst dragging the telly & riding his bike around up there.:D
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If it were a plasterboard one it would have to be held together by something strong like timber and if adopting that method I would suggest that it is designed to withstand something falling on it.

bugsy said:
if you install a fire rated fitting fails it's down to the manufacturer not you'
if you install a plant pot and a standard gimble fitting ( as an example ) and the spread of fire or smoke can be attributed to your fitting and plant pot whci don't comply to part p you could be held responsible for negligence i.e. You failed to comply with building reg's don't forget we live in a litigation mad society, why do think there are so many health and safety rules - not for fun it's so everybody covers their arse .

With regards to your question how? Examine a fire rated fitting and the a gimble fitting you'll see how
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well said:d
 
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Notsosmart said:
Doh really? My point entirely

No-on mentioned 'gimble' fittings apart from you, all other posts were talking about using fire rated downlighters

I think this post has run its course.
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O.K. Shall we debate toridorial transformers vs. magnetic:D

roukel01 said:
What do you think would happen if this fitting got hit by the Bike or TV in the loft? ;)
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Dunno about the fitting but the bike would get a puncture and the tv would want retuning
 
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Sorry Boy's I couldn't resist :D:D:D
 
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GaryM said:
Bikes and TV's aren't common in lofts but if one did happen to fall on this downlighter then it would probably push it out of its hole.

Not such a big deal really!
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Of course but that depends if something is blocking it.
but if a bike, TV etc fell on a clay pot. who knows whats next especially if smashed during a fire or before debris would then push and then rapid fire spread is more likely. Those things would not happen if adopting a well built Plasterboard case with ply on top as protection or a metal case.

I have seen such items in lofts on many occasions and with the upturn in MTB its now more likely:D
 
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Just had a call from a customer who wants 30 plus downlights fitted and asked if I could use clay pots to keep the cost down as they need it done quick before they have insulation top up.

I said yeah the Pee Growers Society sell em cheap and they have a big P on the side. Paint the P green and it'll be Ok!
 
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GaryM said:
You must have large loft hatches around your parts!

Most I come across are just about big enough to climb through, never mind take a mountain bike through.
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They take wheels off and store them in flight bags and often buy a new one every year and cant let go of the old ones. :cool:
 
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