Thank You Mr. Wetpants, You Inconsiderate Imbecile

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I've seen some really bad plumbing installations over the years, but this one really takes the biscuit. I went to do an EICR yesterday afternoon, but had to abandon the job as I was unable to gain access to the main switch, or even remove the cover from the board. Completely unacceptable. GRRRRRRRRRRR.

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I'm wondering if any gas regulations have been breached here. I'm also wondering if wetpants has to issue a certificate when he does boiler installations. The homeowner says she wasn't given a certificate for the work. She is hopping mad and will be speaking with her solicitor first thing tomorrow.
 
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Whats your problem... can you not shrink down in size to get to the CU. An alternative is to take the boiler off.

I thought there was a reg for distance from a gas item.
 
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Spoon said:
Whats your problem... can you not shrink down in side to get to the CU. An alternative is to take the boiler off.

I thought there was a reg for distance from a gas item.
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150mm from equipment and 25mm from cables, he may just have shaved a little off the distance there, 15mm from CUs??

(The useful is in a sarcastic emoji)
 
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I've been to a similar job the customer was also not happy.
However when I rang the plumber Gas "Engineer" he was adamant the customer had said he would get the CU moved before the boiler install The customer then made up some excuse about the spark not turning up when the boiler was installed. To be fair to the plumber he did send me a copy of the quotation that stated "fuseboard to be moved before installation".

Although it wasn't as bad as your picture you could still access the CU
 
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You should issue the basic EICR as unsatisfactory ......recording that the position of the new gas boiler prevents access to the main switch , some MCBs and removal of the cu cover.

Didn't you look at the installation prior to agreeing to do the work?
 
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The problem with boilers that in this day and age they are restricted as to where they can be located.

Quote for a CSU relocation once signed off take the casing off the boiler relocate CSU casing back on complete EICR and present customer with the bill.

The only thing missing from this thread is the pouting Daily Mail style selfie with your pumped up moobs the focus of attention ;o)))))))
 
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Murdoch said:
You should issue the basic EICR as unsatisfactory ......recording that the position of the new gas boiler prevents access to the main switch , some MCBs and removal of the cu cover.

Didn't you look at the installation prior to agreeing to do the work?
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Since the property is about to be rented-out a satisfactory EICR will ultimately be required. So either the boiler will have to be repositioned, or a consumer unit upgrade will be needed. I reckon the latter course of action would be the cheaper option. I'll hang fire until after the customer has spoken with her solicitor and take it from there.

I didn't look at the installation prior to agreeing to carry-out an EICR as I have a fixed-tariff for doing EICRs. I charge by the number of rooms and outbuildings there are rather than by the circuit. Ergo there is no need for me to arrange a site visit prior to carrying-out an EICR.
 
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JK-Electrical said:

Since the property is about to be rented-out a satisfactory EICR will ultimately be required. So either the boiler will have to be repositioned, or a consumer unit upgrade will be needed. I reckon the latter course of action would be the cheaper option. I'll hang fire until after the customer has spoken with her solicitor and take it from there.

I didn't look at the installation prior to agreeing to carry-out an EICR as I have a fixed-tariff for doing EICRs. I charge by the number of rooms and outbuildings there are rather than by the circuit. Ergo there is no need for me to arrange a site visit prior to carrying-out an EICR.
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as far as I'm aware there is no requirement for a property to have a satisfactory EICR . Desirable yes, legal requirement no.
 
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Matthewd29 said:
No doubt the plumber will say 'the boiler was there first like the usual intelligent plumbers
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He would expose himself as a bare-faced liar if he were to do so as it is very easily proven that the boiler was originally located in the kitchen when the house built (1979), but was subsequently moved to the under stair cupboard when the kitchen was refurbished three years ago.
 
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JK-Electrical said:

He would expose himself as a bare-faced liar if he were to do so as it is very easily proven that the boiler was originally located in the kitchen when the house built (1979), but was subsequently moved to the under stair cupboard when the kitchen was refurbished three years ago.
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I was only joking! If he did lie it's be funny
 
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May not be the case here, but it does surprise me the number of folks who will do something that is obviously wrong "cause the boss said so" or some such.
 
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JK-Electrical said:
I've seen some really bad plumbing installations over the years, but this one really takes the biscuit. I went to do an EICR yesterday afternoon, but had to abandon the job as I was unable to gain access to the main switch, or even remove the cover from the board. Completely unacceptable. GRRRRRRRRRRR.

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I'm wondering if any gas regulations have been breached here. I'm also wondering if wetpants has to issue a certificate when he does boiler installations. The homeowner says she wasn't given a certificate for the work. She is hopping mad and will be speaking with her solicitor first thing tomorrow.
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A bodge it and scarper job by the looks of things, makes you wonder what the customer thought about blocking off the CU, wasn't a council job or a rental house was it?
 
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telectrix said:
that wet-pants has the brain capacity of an amoeba. get the customer to get him back and pay for a plumber with a brain to relocate.
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Do you think that the Electrical side looks pro?
Looking at that SWA cable, the missing blank, the cable to (or from, who knows) the SFS, I would say it all looks a bit DIY to me not just the Boiler install with its spaghetti plastic pipe work.
 
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Do you think that the Electrical side looks pro?
Looking at that SWA cable, the missing blank, the cable to (or from, who knows) the SFS, I would say it all looks a bit DIY to me not just the Boiler install with its spaghetti plastic pipe work.
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Agree about the electrics but it's not as mind numbing and idiotic as the boiler install, the plumber did he hurt his fingers as he dragged them across the floor on his way in?
 
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Last plumber said:
Do you think that the Electrical side looks pro?
Looking at that SWA cable, the missing blank, the cable to (or from, who knows) the SFS, I would say it all looks a bit DIY to me not just the Boiler install with its spaghetti plastic pipe work.
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Not taking sides here, but the CU will be about 17+ years old and the boiler is recent ........

I would certainly hope, that if the boiler is moved, and the CU replaced, a new CU would be installed to a higher standard!
 
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David M said:
The scary thing is that there are people out there this thick doing work in people's homes! I was going to suggest maybe an IQ test as a competence qualification for all installation engineers. But this does not prove a person has any common sense!
There is only one expression to describe this install - BRAIN DEAD!
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By the looks of that install David, the geyser had no brain.
 
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I can confirm EICR is compulsory in Scotland for rental properties, as of course is the stupid EPC, but that's another story, along the lines of the PAT certificates which are also compulsory.
I just can't get my head round why the plumber in this case went ahead, knowing what he was doing was stupid. Would he have fitted the boiler over the doorway, so once it was in he couldn't get out?
It's a total lack of responsibility, or just plain stupid...and neither of those "attributes" should be present in someone installing gas appliances or electrics where there is risk to life.
I am reminded of the shocking examples of those new schools where walls fell down due to a lack of ties in the brickwork. The brickie says to the gaffer, why no ties? The gaffer says to the foreman, why no ties? He says, not on the drawings mate...just get on with it, the school's due to open next week...and the Building Control bloke says nothing...IMHO, the brickies should have refused to work, but...well, that's not how it works these days. If you leave a job, happy that all is done to a good standard, then if it is a good job you will have no concerns, and can answer any scrutiny...somehow, the plumber in this instance either doesn't know how bodged that is, or doesn't care...
quite depressing really.
 
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I agree thats really messed up.
even across the pond here you can put a panel in a cabinet as long as its accessible but installing equipment in front and as close to it is a quick way for an inspector of fire marshal to have the service shut off
 
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gnuuser said:
I agree thats really messed up.
even across the pond here you can put a panel in a cabinet as long as its accessible but installing equipment in front and as close to it is a quick way for an inspector of fire marshal to have the service shut off
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not the same over this side. any inspector saw that bodge there'd have to be a committee meeting lasting for 6 months, then it would be passed to an arbitrator, then to another committee, finally someone would make a decision.
 
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