This forum needs all forum members to give an oath.....

[Mark_Burgess]

to not tell someone who has done an "electrical Inspection" the difference of earthing arrangement types or any direct information they should already know (unless they are a first year student trying to get a heads up) other than where they can find the relevant information!!

 

[rocker]

I'm with you there. I hope he means he's pricing a job for his gaffer, rather than a periodic on his own.

 

[Mark_Burgess]

Apparently he knows the difference, except when on site. Well thats okay then!

 

[rocker]

It's bloody frightening though, isn't it.

 

[Adam W]

This seems to be a recurring issue, as discussed here and here.

 

[Sparky Ninja]

It's pushing my ability to maintain my persona when trying not to involve my personal opinions on what im reading.

We are starting to get a lot of threads like this on here...

I'm also getting concerned with some of the advice I'm seeing being offered as its inaccurate at times. But I don't want to become the new 'ban all sheds'.

 

[Sparky Ninja]

He's newly qualified, so he may end up in the arms soon. He charges more than I do.

 

[rocker]

He's newly qualified, so he may end up in the arms soon. He charges more than I do.

Been searching, can't find that post???

 

[telectrix]

it's on the what do you charg/hour thread

 

[telectrix]

Been searching, can't find that post???[/Q

 

[rocker]

Good God! Thirty quid an hour and he can't even buy an on site guide!

 

[accordfire]

It never, ever fails to amaze me the number of "electricians" that haven't the first clue about the earthing arrangements present on the system they've either just inspected, just installed, just upgraded, or just taken a ---- all over.

It's all the more bloody ridiculous, to be honest, since you can bet your bottom dollar that the FIRST thing they ever heard regarding electrical education were the words ON SITE GUIDE.

And lo and behold, turn your On Site Guides to the first meaningful chapter, obviously, chapter 2 --------

There's barely half a dozen words before the nice little pictures start, which show VERY clearly how each type of system is set out.

On a related note - are we discussing the idiot that was on about upgrading a 6mm supplier's earth somewhere earlier? Scary, indeed.

If you don't know, don't f****ing touch.

Ho hum.....bug.

 

[Sparky Ninja]

On a related note - are we discussing the idiot that was on about upgrading a 6mm supplier's earth somewhere earlier? Scary, indeed.

If you don't know, don't f****ing touch.

Ho hum.....bug.

Yes we are.

Knows about the earthing systems, but can't identify on this one as it's a site?

He's newly qualified, so I suspect he's an express domestic or something.

 

[Hawk81]

I read that certain post in complete disbelief, he is not the only one. There are more and more of these "qualified" electricians joining the forum asking basic questions. Then when they get answers like "are you sure you are ready to be doing work on your own if you dont know the basics?" they get all upset and answer with things like "I only came in here for help and i thought that this forum was here to help!!" Well they need to be told that we will help someone that deserves help and doesnt just use the forum to school them or pull them out of a hole when it suits them. It is very frustrating to know that these clowns are doing work that better qualified and trained and more experienced electricians could be doing and yet they expect us to help them do the job.

 

[accordfire]

Yes we are.

Knows about the earthing systems, but can't identify on this one as it's a site?

He's newly qualified, so I suspect he's an express domestic or something.

Probably right......but I'd have thought even the most A.D.D. riddled of us could get to the first picture in the bloody guide before giving up......

The clue, I think was probably in the "taped in the supplier's thick conductor" bit...... sounds fairly TN-S to me on first thought, as TN-C-S is usually earth taken off the service fuse.

I seem to remember - long time ago now - that the service position was one of the first things we learned, and like a lot of stuff it was repeatedly drummed into us too - both on site and in lessons. I have memories of OSGs ending up lobbed at people, getting swatted round the head with the standard - which, I might add we were expected to have both of with us at every lesson, and if we didn't, we didn't get in.

By the end of year one we had to have all the GN's too.

Seem to me the only rule left to be dumbed down is that you can't be colour blind.

 

[accordfire]

I read that certain post in complete disbelief, he is not the only one. There are more and more of these "qualified" electricians joining the forum asking basic questions. Then when they get answers like "are you sure you are ready to be doing work on your own if you dont know the basics?" they get all upset and answer with things like "I only came in here for help and i thought that this forum was here to help!!" Well they need to be told that we will help someone that deserves help and doesnt just use the forum to school them or pull them out of a hole when it suits them. It is very frustrating to know that these clowns are doing work that better qualified and trained and more experienced electricians could be doing and yet they expect us to help them do the job.

Got to be honest, I took exactly that stance with the lad who signed up to get his homework done - the guy who's been asking about ten different faults he needs to create on a three phase circuit.

To be honest, if he's messing about with three phase, he should know how to create most of these faults already.......

Seemed to me he just wants someone to do his homework for him.

 

[Sparky Ninja]

I'm just amazed it took till posts 24 & 28 on the third page for the word adiabatic to be brought up (by IQ electrical and myself) on a thread that was all about confirmation on the sizing of an existing earthing conductor.

 

[accordfire]

I'm just amazed it took till posts 24 & 28 on the third page for the word adiabatic to be brought up (by IQ electrical and myself) on a thread that was all about confirmation on the sizing of an existing earthing conductor.

Ah - it's a big word for a Sunday night, and doubtless, most adiabatics have insulin to help (how I always remembered the word).......

To be honest, given that he couldn't tell the difference between a TN-C-S and a TN-S, what chance was he going to have with adiabatics?

 

[Des 56]

There are a lot of sub forums on this site
Given that,perhaps a section dedicated to the one off visitor, who is trying to sort a problem,the diy section
Then another for apprentices,where assistance can be given whilst knowing their limitations
The rest of the forum,anyone posting stupid questions,they are free meat for all

 

[Spudnik]

Some good ideas Des, although the free meat for all would leave a bit of a mess for us lot to clear up.



Now, i do understand exactly where everyone is coming from with this, but remember, this is a forum for ALL to use, for FREE, and so this will attract the "less abled".

All i ask is that if you feel its a question that you do not wish to answer then dont, move on to the next.

Id like to keep this forum the friendly place it has become.

Its taken a long time to achieve.

You can do all the bitchin' you like here in the pub.

 

[Sparky Ninja]

I think ,if it's possible, some kind of rep system should be introduced or something. Just something to distinguish between guys who are guessing/still training and those who actually use the brb with their contributions.


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[Spudnik]

Point noted.


Not sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk yet, as the feckin thing hasnt been activated.

 

[Amp David]

It never, ever fails to amaze me the number of "electricians" that haven't the first clue about the earthing arrangements present on the system they've either just inspected, just installed, just upgraded, or just taken a ---- all over.

It's all the more bloody ridiculous, to be honest, since you can bet your bottom dollar that the FIRST thing they ever heard regarding electrical education were the words ON SITE GUIDE.

And lo and behold, turn your On Site Guides to the first meaningful chapter, obviously, chapter 2 --------

There's barely half a dozen words before the nice little pictures start, which show VERY clearly how each type of system is set out.

On a related note - are we discussing the idiot that was on about upgrading a 6mm supplier's earth somewhere earlier? Scary, indeed.

If you don't know, don't f****ing touch.

Ho hum.....bug.

Perfectly put and to the point!

 

[Adam W]

I think ,if it's possible, some kind of rep system should be introduced or something. Just something to distinguish between guys who are guessing/still training and those who actually use the brb with their contributions.


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Do you mean something like the post count, or something more like the 'thanks' system?
Or maybe the guys who have 'proven' themselves could have their username in a different colour with a separate private forum to slag people off in.

 

[accordfire]

Do you mean something like the post count, or something more like the 'thanks' system?
Or maybe the guys who have 'proven' themselves could have their username in a different colour with a separate private forum to slag people off in.

No idea what the current colours in usernames mean.....but that might work, as might the "level" title - you know, like junior member, etc - but I think that's tied to the number of posts made.

I think we should make all the trainees wear short trousers so we can tell.

Other than that, honesty. The trainees/chancers are usually pretty easy to spot.

 

[Adam W]

Ordinary common or garden members are in dark blue, Arms members are in red, sponsors are in green, and the rest are like mods and that (rocker is in red ).

 

[accordfire]

Ordinary common or garden members are in dark blue, Arms members are in red, sponsors are in green, and the rest are like mods and that (rocker is in red ).

Ah. That makes sense.

 

[Sparky Ninja]

I've seen a few posts now where even arms members are giving inaccurate advice.


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[Amp David]

As of late, when I see a post that says 'i've just finished doing a CU change, what tests do I need to do' etc etc and the poster has only joined the forum and has only a few posts to their name, I tend to read it a have a chuckle to myself thinking can't wait to read through all the advice they are given.

Don't feel I should be helping chancers as I wouldn't do it in my day to day working life.

 

[accordfire]

I've seen a few posts now where even arms members are giving inaccurate advice.


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Proof, as if it were needed, that none of us know everything, I guess.

IMO, always good to comment if you notice inaccurate advice, as we can all learn from it!

 

[BluSparx]

I am seeing lately a lot more "i am newly qualified what is this and what is that"

Why not start giving advice to each other within the arms and this way we know we are talking to other sparkies

there is a user who recently joined who I have just seen a post asking if all mcb's fit all boards - surely experience would answer this

 

[nickblake]

Well chaps ill be the first to hold my hands up and say ive missed a few point in some of the answers i have given,mainly not wording it right and maybe miss out some info but on the whole i do try and be as accurate as i can ,we all have differant interprataions of the regs so on here the info is realy good i too see some of the questions that have been asked are well oh my goodness why are you doing the job if you dont know that simple thing and it realy boils down to people either not having the regs and info avalable or just not knowing how and where to find it in the regs even after 25 years in the trade now working for my self i still come across things in the regs which make me think , thats why i like this forum and you guys are so helpfull which i would like to thank you all for doesnt half make life easier as jason said its a nice friendly place ,and thats what i like about it ,id like it to stay that way and not end up with the chewing gum im an electrician attitude you get when you walk into some wholesalers . on a more intresting not the thread started about earthing arragements , i had a cert that was marked down as TT and TNS in fact it was a TNCS did laugh

 

[Jimmy Boy]

There's a fine line to be trodden between the " I have 30 Years under my belt" brigade and those that, maybe have entered later in life, personally, and I am happy to be challenged on this, I think you should be qualified to level 3, be 17th updated at a minimum to enter the 'Arms' I have my certs and more than happy to forward copies to admin, I have made mistakes, minor one's when replying to some posts, and I have no issue with other members taking me to task over it...In fact I positively encourage it..That way I learn. I think we, and by we I mean the Electrical trade, although not happy with it, need to accept the world has moved on, not necessarily for the better, but we are where we are, if newbs come on and they are suss, ask some questions about their background, training, remember NO ONE is obliged to reply to a question, or read a thread, but there may be a few good guys out there that want to better themselves and their family's futures.

ATB Steve

 

[nickblake]

Nice one steve, its the way we all learn even with 25 years under my belt lol

 

[johnboy6083]

Nice one steve, its the way we all learn even with 25 years under my belt lol

i havent even got 25 years of life under my belt yet! lol

 

[accordfire]

i havent even got 25 years of life under my belt yet! lol

Lol! You'll have to come back when mummy puts you in long trousers then lad........

Experience isn't just about age. It is also an attitude.