Are you a socialist now?
No, but i can be for the purpose of this thread lol.
Trev, guess what...i've always voted conservative...
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No, but i can be for the purpose of this thread lol.
Trev, guess what...i've always voted conservative...
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Geordie Spark
last time i voted was for lord sutch, but since he died, i ain't bothered. if anything, i'd vote ukip. get out of europe.
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ukip?
Is that a local company with a waterproof box then?
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mg_smile:That sums up that woman very accurately
Unless you are old enough and lived in the areas where the impact of this womans vindictiveness was felt, you may never fully understand the deeds of that woman,I will speak of that woman no more in this post
Germany closed mines shipbuilding and large engineering etc around the time that the UK began its carnage
Germany and the UK had parity with the number of apprenticeships at that time
The poilicies were implemented in both countries Germany promoting and encouraging investment in the areas to be affected,the UK closed everything and did nothing,a whole generation andwhole communities were destroyed,not just affected, they were destroyed,the woman had no empathy with the victims of her hateful revenge and carnage
Germany today has 10 apprenticeships for every 1 apprenticeship available in the UK
Germany has heavy industry and the skills to man that industry,Germany has well paid employment,it has been recetion proof in comparision to the UK
Germany had one very distinct advantage,it never had a conservative and vindictive no care female running that country at the time
RIP Thatcher and lets hope her legacy will never ever be inflicted on any future generation by anybody with the same warped thinking
In Wales the overwhelming reaction will be sympathy for her relatives loss at this time,but as for the woman and her actions,she waged war on us here and decimated our country, we may never be forgiving to a self made "enemy" of our communities and our way of life
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specs
Read the first few posts and thought to myself, these people clearly do not rememember what state this country was in before she was Voted in(3 times) Scargill was determined to bring her down and thru his own stupidity ruined the coal industry prematurely, i note he is now being chased for the house he says he owns. i also note he did not suffer alongside his 'brothers'. socialism does not work and never will, there always has to be someone at the top, getting more , earning more, more luxury, perks etc, how is that socialism or whatever else you want to call it. Most of the members on here i believe are self employed, i'm not, but i would vote for her rather than money grabbing blair or the arrogant brown who admitted that bringing in more immigrants would keep inflation down, and so it did, by increasing unemployment.If you do not know about the state of this country before she was voted in You do not know what you are talking about. This is my opinion ( in communist countries i would not be allowed to say it) and if my kids don't agree they can leave home and try life in north korea.
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Read the first few posts and thought to myself, these people clearly do not rememember what state this country was in before she was Voted in(3 times) Scargill was determined to bring her down and thru his own stupidity ruined the coal industry prematurely, i note he is now being chased for the house he says he owns. i also note he did not suffer alongside his 'brothers'. socialism does not work and never will, there always has to be someone at the top, getting more , earning more, more luxury, perks etc, how is that socialism or whatever else you want to call it. Most of the members on here i believe are self employed, i'm not, but i would vote for her rather than money grabbing blair or the arrogant brown who admitted that bringing in more immigrants would keep inflation down, and so it did, by increasing unemployment.If you do not know about the state of this country before she was voted in You do not know what you are talking about. This is my opinion ( in communist countries i would not be allowed to say it) and if my kids don't agree they can leave home and try life in north korea.
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Read the first few posts and thought to myself, these people clearly do not rememember what state this country was in before she was Voted in(3 times) Scargill was determined to bring her down and thru his own stupidity ruined the coal industry prematurely, i note he is now being chased for the house he says he owns. i also note he did not suffer alongside his 'brothers'. socialism does not work and never will, there always has to be someone at the top, getting more , earning more, more luxury, perks etc, how is that socialism or whatever else you want to call it. Most of the members on here i believe are self employed, i'm not, but i would vote for her rather than money grabbing blair or the arrogant brown who admitted that bringing in more immigrants would keep inflation down, and so it did, by increasing unemployment.If you do not know about the state of this country before she was voted in You do not know what you are talking about. This is my opinion ( in communist countries i would not be allowed to say it) and if my kids don't agree they can leave home and try life in north korea.
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KAS1
I'm a happy man enough said ..........................................
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trev
I clearly remember the poster proclaiming "Labour isn't working" with a queue forming in front of a job centre and the promise to reduce this. I clearly remember how unemployment went up and up and up. I clearly remember how communities were ripped apart and how families had their lives ruined by the policies of the government of the day. I clearly remember the refusal to invest in industry as other European countries did and see the effects of that to this day. I clearly remember how she was told that ships and troops should be stationed in the South Atlantic to deter an invasion of the Falklands and how that was refused thus leading to the deaths of 905 young men and the spending of £2 billion (which we were told we didn't have) in order for the party to ride the resultant wave of popularity to a second election victory which would almost certainly not have happened otherwise. I clearly remember how the utilities were sold off to the financial services industry resulting in us having water piped to us by foreign companies, being dependent on Russia for gas which is sold to us by a French company. I could go on but I won't, for now.
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KAS1
I remember when news at ten used to show the job losses for the week every Friday night on a uk map just like the weather forecasters would use. it got so embarrassing for the Tories I think they put a stop to it, bad days indeed
The unions are the only thing that bought about safe working practices in this country. As for "there always has to be someone at the top, getting more , earning more, more luxury, perks etc" that has to be balanced out by the needs of the majority other wise you may as well just go back to feudalism or slavery.
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Geordie Spark
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specs
Do you also rememember the rubbish in the streets , the dead not buried, the 3 day week , the power cuts, inflation, and the unemployed under labour, clearly not, the unions ran this country NOT the government, She ran this country like you should run your household, within its means. you dont go and invite a lot of non paying guests to live with you if you can barely pay your bills. As for the falklands, she was strong when she needed to be, be honest did you actually think the argies would attack, i didnt, do you actually think n/korea will attack?. The utilities were sold off because as usual a labour government SPENT all the money in order to gain popularity, as they did this last time. And i think a lot of Ex council house tenants (now owners) would dissagree with you. I myself think the main utilities should have remained in the public domain ie gas electric and water they wre essentials and i think she was badly advised as she was on poll tax, the principle was right but the admin was wrong.I could also go on about the pointless strikes that bought this country to its knees, but i won't cos ive got work in the morning
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Geordie Spark
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trev
Didn't the 3 day week and power cuts start under the Heath government? Yes unemployment was high under labour but it went higher and higher under thatcher despite the promises to get it reduced (Guess the tories never change) You cannot run a country like you run a house, an economy does not work in the same way. Ex council tenants now homeowners may well disagree with me but that does not change the fact that their houses were sold to them at a knock down price as a bribe. Looking back I think it's fairly obvious that Argentina were going to attack especially when the one ship patrolling the area was withdrawn, she was even told that it would happen. As far as North Korea goes, well I don't know why that's relevant but I think an attack is distinctly possible. Yes strikes were crippling the country before she got in but you have to ask why were a lot of them happening? Probably because the man in the street was getting shafted by the Heath government and the subsequent labour administration was inept and impotent and so were condemned to firefighting rather than running the show. Nothing much improved from 1979 onwards and still hasn't to this day
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specs
True , but then they started to get stupid, in the 60's and 70's they would strike for the most stupid things. as for the needs of the 'majority ' they clearly didnt think of the majority when they put the country on a three day week and the power cuts etc, i suffered under those conditions and so did the majority in this country, and for what.
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Silly Sausage
I just PMd Marvo telling him he's banned for 2 weeks for starting this one!!
You'll have to start your own forum if you're not careful! :smilielol5:
I heard someone on the news stating she was the grandmother of the peace process in the north of Ireland.
It was the biggest load of crap I had ever heard.She single handedly drove a generation of young people to join the IRA with her handling of the hunger strikes.No other British prime minister has ever had such disregard for the situation in Ireland.
I believe she will have to explain her action to her maker.
It was the biggest load of crap I had ever heard.She single handedly drove a generation of young people to join the IRA with her handling of the hunger strikes.No other British prime minister has ever had such disregard for the situation in Ireland.
I believe she will have to explain her action to her maker.
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Geordie Spark
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specs
yes it was the heath administration, but it was the NUM under scargill that bought this about, that man thought he was invincible, as i said 'the unions ran this country' not the governments of the time, neither labour nor conservative could control them, the country was a mess.Why can't you run a country the same as a household, it simple economics, you don't spend more than is coming in, otherwise you get in debt, which is where we are now, in debt. This government has spent its time trying to cut back the wastefull spending of the last labour government, and so it has always been and probably will be again. slowly but surely our standard of living improves,just look around your own house/flat.tbc.
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It's rather strange that the rose tinted blinkered ideology of the Labour / socialist / communist followers cannot see where they went wrong and some 22 years after Mrs Thatcher left office are now blaming her for the current economic situation
I remember the late 70's well as an apprentice served most of it on the same hourly rate just got a miserly lump sum weekly rise each year because of the wage restraint imposed by the Labour government. A few of the electricians I worked with bemoaned the wage restraint being imposed as a wage rise that would have kept them up with the plumbers got knocked on the head
British industry wasn't helped by the unions and their restrictive practices and demarcation of trades that were rife in the 60's, 70's and early 80's and lightning strikes called for any minor reason that could be found should a union member have any problem felt worthy of downing tools. The restrictive practices turned minor breakdowns into major jobs resulting in a lot of lost production
And to cap it all the one thing that could not be sent through the factory gate was a quality product
Good or bad Mrs Thatcher came to power at a time when technology was starting to move more and more into industry and our lives in general it took fewer men to make a better product and produce more per shift using automated machines, industries died because they couldn't adapt stifled by overmanning and overbearing unionisation making them uncompetitive
Having heard all the mixed views some which can only be described as bigoted and venomous hatred on her time in power and beyond I have been musing on how and where we would be as a country had she not come to power when she did or if she had not been elected at all would the unions still be ruling industry the way they did, would we still have the industries that collapsed or closed, this is one thing we will never know and can only summise how things would of or could of been without her or the iconic prime minister she was and may be one day she will be allowed to rest in peace
I remember the late 70's well as an apprentice served most of it on the same hourly rate just got a miserly lump sum weekly rise each year because of the wage restraint imposed by the Labour government. A few of the electricians I worked with bemoaned the wage restraint being imposed as a wage rise that would have kept them up with the plumbers got knocked on the head
British industry wasn't helped by the unions and their restrictive practices and demarcation of trades that were rife in the 60's, 70's and early 80's and lightning strikes called for any minor reason that could be found should a union member have any problem felt worthy of downing tools. The restrictive practices turned minor breakdowns into major jobs resulting in a lot of lost production
And to cap it all the one thing that could not be sent through the factory gate was a quality product
Good or bad Mrs Thatcher came to power at a time when technology was starting to move more and more into industry and our lives in general it took fewer men to make a better product and produce more per shift using automated machines, industries died because they couldn't adapt stifled by overmanning and overbearing unionisation making them uncompetitive
Having heard all the mixed views some which can only be described as bigoted and venomous hatred on her time in power and beyond I have been musing on how and where we would be as a country had she not come to power when she did or if she had not been elected at all would the unions still be ruling industry the way they did, would we still have the industries that collapsed or closed, this is one thing we will never know and can only summise how things would of or could of been without her or the iconic prime minister she was and may be one day she will be allowed to rest in peace
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specs
Well said
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- 1. She supported the retention of capital punishment
2. She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry
3. She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws
4. She abolished free milk for schoolchildren
5. She supported more freedom for business (and look how that turned out)
6. She gained support from the National Front in the 1979 election by pandering to the fears of immigration
7. She gerrymandered local authorities by forcing through council house sales, at the same time preventing councils from spending the money they got for selling houses on building new houses (spending on social housing dropped by 67% in her premiership)
8. She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million
9. She ignored intelligence about Argentinian preparations for the invasion of the Falkland Islands and scrapped the only Royal Navy presence in the islands
10. The poll tax
11. She presided over the closure of 150 coal mines; we are now crippled by the cost of energy, having to import expensive coal from abroad
12. She compared her "fight" against the miners to the Falklands War
13. She privatised state monopolies and created the corporate greed culture that we've been railing against for the last 5 years
14. She introduced the gradual privatisation of the NHS
15. She introduced financial deregulation in a way that turned city institutions into avaricious money pits
16. She pioneered the unfailing adoration and unquestioning support of the USA
17. She allowed the US to place nuclear missiles on UK soil, under US control
18. Section 28
19. She opposed anti-apartheid sanctions against South Africa and described Nelson Mandela as "that grubby little terrorist"
20. She support the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and sent the SAS to train their soldiers
21. She allowed the US to bomb Libya in 1986, against the wishes of more than 2/3 of the population
22. She opposed the reunification of Germany
23. She invented Quangos
24. She increased VAT from 8% to 17.5%
25. She had the lowest approval rating of any post-war Prime Minister
26. Her post-PM job? Consultant to Philip Morris tobacco at $250,000 a year, plus $50,000 per speech
27. The Al Yamamah contract
28. She opposed the indictment of Chile's General Pinochet
29. Social unrest under her leadership was higher than at any time since the General Strike
30. She presided over interest rates increasing to 15%
31. BSE
32. She presided over 2 million manufacturing job losses in the 79-81 recession
33. She opposed the inclusion of Eire in the Northern Ireland peace process
34. She supported sanctions-busting arms deals with South Africa
35. Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitkin
36. Crime rates doubled under Thatcher
37. Black Wednesday – Britain withdraws from the ERM and the pound is devalued. Cost to Britain - £3.5 billion; profit for George Soros - £1 billion
38. Poverty doubled while she opposed a minimum wage
39. She privatised public services, claiming at the time it would increase public ownership. Most are now owned either by foreign governments (EDF) or major investment houses. The profits don’t now accrue to the taxpayer, but to foreign or institutional shareholders.
40. She cut 75% of funding to museums, galleries and other sources of education
41. In the Thatcher years the top 10% of earners received almost 50% of the tax remissions
42. 21.9% inflation
- 1. She supported the retention of capital punishment
1. She supported the retention of capital punishment
And Blair signed up to the human rights act to keep his wife in work as a human rights barrister and allow legal aid funded terrorists to spend hundreds of thousands of pounds of public money to prevent there expulsion from the UK as well as giving them benefits
2. She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry
The unions did a better job of killing it with strike and restrictive practices. Having said that the Japs still reckoned we could build cars in the UK and opened a number of factories here
6. She gained support from the National Front in the 1979 election by pandering to the fears of immigration
And Blair and Brown just opened the gates and allowed the country to be swamped and started the great benefits giveaway
8. She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million
Are you telling me that no labour government hasn't massaged the figures
11. She presided over the closure of 150 coal mines; we are now crippled by the cost of energy, having to import expensive coal from abroad
Have you not heard it ain't green to burn coal anymore having had Two Jags Prescott sign up to some emissions reduction plan were closing coal fired power stations
12. She compared her "fight" against the miners to the Falklands War
General Scargill wanted to bring down a government and he declared war, he watched his members starve fighting his war while he took his salary and bought a new Jag, mmm may be some might see some Thatcherite tendencies there Scargill the enemy within
14. She introduced the gradual privatisation of the NHS
Blair and Brown carried out more privatisation of the NHS than Thatcher, their new hospitals programme mortgaged healthcare for the next 30 years and saddled it with huge debts that are set to bankrupt a few hospital trusts
26. Her post-PM job? Consultant to Philip Morris tobacco at $250,000 a year, plus $50,000 per speech
Let's not go into Blair's post PM jobs and his tax avoidance
29. Social unrest under her leadership was higher than at any time since the General Strike
The armies oops sorry unions thought they still held the balance power
A loss of short term memory can be symptomatic of the onset of other problems you may unknowingly be suffering
Blair tried to find something to be remembered for and blindly followed the US to Iraq and Afghanistan in the hope of a quick turn round kick --- war so it wasn't only Thatcher that buddied up to the US
We all have our views good or bad and looking at the bigger picture a lot of politicians Blair included have tried and failed the emulate her
In the mines, steel and a few other industries there was a culture that there would be a job for life and a lot of the bitterness seems to stem from the fact that during Thatchers term in office these jobs and industries died because of the unions apparent no compromise position and competition from the Far East
The 80's was the start of a radical change in industry I remember the early 80's when Pilkington built a new glass plant, due to the introduction of new control technology 350 workers could produce the same amount of glass that previously needed 1200, Rupert Murdoch changed the way newspapers were printed using new technology and moved away from Fleet Street to Wapping was all this new technology Thatchers fault as well in the space of a few years we had gone from a basic calculators to computing efficiency had become the name of the game and the dinosaurs that didn't adapt were cast aside and left wanting
No doubt we all have our opinions and highlighting one politicians failings only highlights the failings of others of all political persuasions Thatcher may have had faults but what would have been the ALTERNATIVE the country continuing on it's a$$ and into the abyss
Many years ago I was seeing a lass who was studying politics in Uni. She told me that Maggie's popularity was flagging so she told the Argentine prime minister that she wasn't bothered about the Falklands. He moves his army in and then Maggie complains. He can't move them out without losing face so a war starts. Us brits win (of course) and Maggie gets elected again.
If its true then a lot of guys died just cause of a politicians lie... They would never do that would they.... (we really need a sarcastic font)
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Dcf
I was a laddie in the late 70s but I remember only too well the harsh times from back then.my old fella ran a good going concrete business back then.interest rates were at 15% so servicing your overdraft became nigh on impossible prices were on the slide due to no building activity and it shut. With everyone on the dole.
the problem with that woman was that her policies on everything were extreme,no half measures.if u had an ingrown toenail her cure would be to cut your foot off at the ankle.as mentioned before selling all your infrastructure off to make a quick buck is biting us in the arse now.it was all short term ism to a tee.
it was the poll tax that nailed her in the end.i was an apprentice on 50 quid a week when it was introduced in Scotland.i had to pay the same as the guy living in a castle that's how much thAt cared for the working man.:001_9898:
the problem with that woman was that her policies on everything were extreme,no half measures.if u had an ingrown toenail her cure would be to cut your foot off at the ankle.as mentioned before selling all your infrastructure off to make a quick buck is biting us in the arse now.it was all short term ism to a tee.
it was the poll tax that nailed her in the end.i was an apprentice on 50 quid a week when it was introduced in Scotland.i had to pay the same as the guy living in a castle that's how much thAt cared for the working man.:001_9898:
it was the poll tax that nailed her in the end.i was an apprentice on 50 quid a week when it was introduced in Scotland.i had to pay the same as the guy living in a castle that's how much thAt cared for the working man.:001_9898:
on the other hand, my dad, on pension, living in the house he'd lived in since 1958, under the rating system was paying 3 times as much as a family of 4 wage earners paid between them. not all were worse of under the poll tax.
on the other hand, my dad, on pension, living in the house he'd lived in since 1958, under the rating system was paying 3 times as much as a family of 4 wage earners paid between them. not all were worse of under the poll tax.
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specs
If thats true why wasn't it printed in the papers, i feel sure some or all of the leftie press would have grabbed that and it would have been broadcast far and wide
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MDJ
Leftie Press? whats that then?
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MDJ
Name one which is well known :earmuffs: and name a newspaper which doesn't promote right wing politics with the exception of the morning star and the mirror.
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Dcf
A paper that tells the unbiased facts??? Show me one and I'll buy it.
one headline that sticks with me from 93 .the year of a general election.
front page of the sun there is only 5 years worth of oil in the north sea.
20 year later go and tack another 50 anyway on it.
propaganda the lot of it.
one headline that sticks with me from 93 .the year of a general election.
front page of the sun there is only 5 years worth of oil in the north sea.
20 year later go and tack another 50 anyway on it.
propaganda the lot of it.
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