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Didn't the 3 day week and power cuts start under the Heath government? Yes unemployment was high under labour but it went higher and higher under thatcher despite the promises to get it reduced (Guess the tories never change) You cannot run a country like you run a house, an economy does not work in the same way. Ex council tenants now homeowners may well disagree with me but that does not change the fact that their houses were sold to them at a knock down price as a bribe. Looking back I think it's fairly obvious that Argentina were going to attack especially when the one ship patrolling the area was withdrawn, she was even told that it would happen. As far as North Korea goes, well I don't know why that's relevant but I think an attack is distinctly possible. Yes strikes were crippling the country before she got in but you have to ask why were a lot of them happening? Probably because the man in the street was getting shafted by the Heath government and the subsequent labour administration was inept and impotent and so were condemned to firefighting rather than running the show. Nothing much improved from 1979 onwards and still hasn't to this day
yes it was the heath administration, but it was the NUM under scargill that bought this about, that man thought he was invincible, as i said 'the unions ran this country' not the governments of the time, neither labour nor conservative could control them, the country was a mess.Why can't you run a country the same as a household, it simple economics, you don't spend more than is coming in, otherwise you get in debt, which is where we are now, in debt. This government has spent its time trying to cut back the wastefull spending of the last labour government, and so it has always been and probably will be again. slowly but surely our standard of living improves,just look around your own house/flat.tbc.
 
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It's rather strange that the rose tinted blinkered ideology of the Labour / socialist / communist followers cannot see where they went wrong and some 22 years after Mrs Thatcher left office are now blaming her for the current economic situation

I remember the late 70's well as an apprentice served most of it on the same hourly rate just got a miserly lump sum weekly rise each year because of the wage restraint imposed by the Labour government. A few of the electricians I worked with bemoaned the wage restraint being imposed as a wage rise that would have kept them up with the plumbers got knocked on the head

British industry wasn't helped by the unions and their restrictive practices and demarcation of trades that were rife in the 60's, 70's and early 80's and lightning strikes called for any minor reason that could be found should a union member have any problem felt worthy of downing tools. The restrictive practices turned minor breakdowns into major jobs resulting in a lot of lost production

And to cap it all the one thing that could not be sent through the factory gate was a quality product

Good or bad Mrs Thatcher came to power at a time when technology was starting to move more and more into industry and our lives in general it took fewer men to make a better product and produce more per shift using automated machines, industries died because they couldn't adapt stifled by overmanning and overbearing unionisation making them uncompetitive

Having heard all the mixed views some which can only be described as bigoted and venomous hatred on her time in power and beyond I have been musing on how and where we would be as a country had she not come to power when she did or if she had not been elected at all would the unions still be ruling industry the way they did, would we still have the industries that collapsed or closed, this is one thing we will never know and can only summise how things would of or could of been without her or the iconic prime minister she was and may be one day she will be allowed to rest in peace
 
    • 1. She supported the retention of capital punishment
      2. She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry
      3. She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws
      4. She abolished free milk for schoolchildren
      5. She supported more freedom for business (and look how that turned out)
      6. She gained support from the National Front in the 1979 election by pandering to the fears of immigration
      7. She gerrymandered local authorities by forcing through council house sales, at the same time preventing councils from spending the money they got for selling houses on building new houses (spending on social housing dropped by 67% in her premiership)
      8. She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million
      9. She ignored intelligence about Argentinian preparations for the invasion of the Falkland Islands and scrapped the only Royal Navy presence in the islands
      10. The poll tax
      11. She presided over the closure of 150 coal mines; we are now crippled by the cost of energy, having to import expensive coal from abroad
      12. She compared her "fight" against the miners to the Falklands War
      13. She privatised state monopolies and created the corporate greed culture that we've been railing against for the last 5 years
      14. She introduced the gradual privatisation of the NHS
      15. She introduced financial deregulation in a way that turned city institutions into avaricious money pits
      16. She pioneered the unfailing adoration and unquestioning support of the USA
      17. She allowed the US to place nuclear missiles on UK soil, under US control
      18. Section 28
      19. She opposed anti-apartheid sanctions against South Africa and described Nelson Mandela as "that grubby little terrorist"
      20. She support the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and sent the SAS to train their soldiers
      21. She allowed the US to bomb Libya in 1986, against the wishes of more than 2/3 of the population
      22. She opposed the reunification of Germany
      23. She invented Quangos
      24. She increased VAT from 8% to 17.5%
      25. She had the lowest approval rating of any post-war Prime Minister
      26. Her post-PM job? Consultant to Philip Morris tobacco at $250,000 a year, plus $50,000 per speech
      27. The Al Yamamah contract
      28. She opposed the indictment of Chile's General Pinochet
      29. Social unrest under her leadership was higher than at any time since the General Strike
      30. She presided over interest rates increasing to 15%
      31. BSE
      32. She presided over 2 million manufacturing job losses in the 79-81 recession
      33. She opposed the inclusion of Eire in the Northern Ireland peace process
      34. She supported sanctions-busting arms deals with South Africa
      35. Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitkin
      36. Crime rates doubled under Thatcher
      37. Black Wednesday – Britain withdraws from the ERM and the pound is devalued. Cost to Britain - £3.5 billion; profit for George Soros - £1 billion
      38. Poverty doubled while she opposed a minimum wage
      39. She privatised public services, claiming at the time it would increase public ownership. Most are now owned either by foreign governments (EDF) or major investment houses. The profits don’t now accrue to the taxpayer, but to foreign or institutional shareholders.
      40. She cut 75% of funding to museums, galleries and other sources of education
      41. In the Thatcher years the top 10% of earners received almost 50% of the tax remissions
      42. 21.9% inflation
 
    • 1. She supported the retention of capital punishment
      2. She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry
      3. She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws
      4. She abolished free milk for schoolchildren
      5. She supported more freedom for business (and look how that turned out)
      6. She gained support from the National Front in the 1979 election by pandering to the fears of immigration
      7. She gerrymandered local authorities by forcing through council house sales, at the same time preventing councils from spending the money they got for selling houses on building new houses (spending on social housing dropped by 67% in her premiership)
      8. She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million
      9. She ignored intelligence about Argentinian preparations for the invasion of the Falkland Islands and scrapped the only Royal Navy presence in the islands
      10. The poll tax
      11. She presided over the closure of 150 coal mines; we are now crippled by the cost of energy, having to import expensive coal from abroad
      12. She compared her "fight" against the miners to the Falklands War
      13. She privatised state monopolies and created the corporate greed culture that we've been railing against for the last 5 years
      14. She introduced the gradual privatisation of the NHS
      15. She introduced financial deregulation in a way that turned city institutions into avaricious money pits
      16. She pioneered the unfailing adoration and unquestioning support of the USA
      17. She allowed the US to place nuclear missiles on UK soil, under US control
      18. Section 28
      19. She opposed anti-apartheid sanctions against South Africa and described Nelson Mandela as "that grubby little terrorist"
      20. She support the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and sent the SAS to train their soldiers
      21. She allowed the US to bomb Libya in 1986, against the wishes of more than 2/3 of the population
      22. She opposed the reunification of Germany
      23. She invented Quangos
      24. She increased VAT from 8% to 17.5%
      25. She had the lowest approval rating of any post-war Prime Minister
      26. Her post-PM job? Consultant to Philip Morris tobacco at $250,000 a year, plus $50,000 per speech
      27. The Al Yamamah contract
      28. She opposed the indictment of Chile's General Pinochet
      29. Social unrest under her leadership was higher than at any time since the General Strike
      30. She presided over interest rates increasing to 15%
      31. BSE
      32. She presided over 2 million manufacturing job losses in the 79-81 recession
      33. She opposed the inclusion of Eire in the Northern Ireland peace process
      34. She supported sanctions-busting arms deals with South Africa
      35. Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitkin
      36. Crime rates doubled under Thatcher
      37. Black Wednesday – Britain withdraws from the ERM and the pound is devalued. Cost to Britain - £3.5 billion; profit for George Soros - £1 billion
      38. Poverty doubled while she opposed a minimum wage
      39. She privatised public services, claiming at the time it would increase public ownership. Most are now owned either by foreign governments (EDF) or major investment houses. The profits don’t now accrue to the taxpayer, but to foreign or institutional shareholders.
      40. She cut 75% of funding to museums, galleries and other sources of education
      41. In the Thatcher years the top 10% of earners received almost 50% of the tax remissions
      42. 21.9% inflation

1. She supported the retention of capital punishment

And Blair signed up to the human rights act to keep his wife in work as a human rights barrister and allow legal aid funded terrorists to spend hundreds of thousands of pounds of public money to prevent there expulsion from the UK as well as giving them benefits

2. She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry

The unions did a better job of killing it with strike and restrictive practices. Having said that the Japs still reckoned we could build cars in the UK and opened a number of factories here

6. She gained support from the National Front in the 1979 election by pandering to the fears of immigration

And Blair and Brown just opened the gates and allowed the country to be swamped and started the great benefits giveaway

8. She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million

Are you telling me that no labour government hasn't massaged the figures

11. She presided over the closure of 150 coal mines; we are now crippled by the cost of energy, having to import expensive coal from abroad

Have you not heard it ain't green to burn coal anymore having had Two Jags Prescott sign up to some emissions reduction plan were closing coal fired power stations

12. She compared her "fight" against the miners to the Falklands War

General Scargill wanted to bring down a government and he declared war, he watched his members starve fighting his war while he took his salary and bought a new Jag, mmm may be some might see some Thatcherite tendencies there Scargill the enemy within

14. She introduced the gradual privatisation of the NHS

Blair and Brown carried out more privatisation of the NHS than Thatcher, their new hospitals programme mortgaged healthcare for the next 30 years and saddled it with huge debts that are set to bankrupt a few hospital trusts

26. Her post-PM job? Consultant to Philip Morris tobacco at $250,000 a year, plus $50,000 per speech

Let's not go into Blair's post PM jobs and his tax avoidance

29. Social unrest under her leadership was higher than at any time since the General Strike

The armies oops sorry unions thought they still held the balance power


A loss of short term memory can be symptomatic of the onset of other problems you may unknowingly be suffering

Blair tried to find something to be remembered for and blindly followed the US to Iraq and Afghanistan in the hope of a quick turn round kick --- war so it wasn't only Thatcher that buddied up to the US

We all have our views good or bad and looking at the bigger picture a lot of politicians Blair included have tried and failed the emulate her
In the mines, steel and a few other industries there was a culture that there would be a job for life and a lot of the bitterness seems to stem from the fact that during Thatchers term in office these jobs and industries died because of the unions apparent no compromise position and competition from the Far East

The 80's was the start of a radical change in industry I remember the early 80's when Pilkington built a new glass plant, due to the introduction of new control technology 350 workers could produce the same amount of glass that previously needed 1200, Rupert Murdoch changed the way newspapers were printed using new technology and moved away from Fleet Street to Wapping was all this new technology Thatchers fault as well in the space of a few years we had gone from a basic calculators to computing efficiency had become the name of the game and the dinosaurs that didn't adapt were cast aside and left wanting

No doubt we all have our opinions and highlighting one politicians failings only highlights the failings of others of all political persuasions Thatcher may have had faults but what would have been the ALTERNATIVE the country continuing on it's a$$ and into the abyss
 
8. She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million

Are you telling me that no labour government hasn't massaged the figures
I don't think he was objecting to the massaging of the numbers quite so much as the other content of point 8
 
well, she was the only one that had the guts to liberate the falklands. admittedly, not much use to us back here.

Many years ago I was seeing a lass who was studying politics in Uni. She told me that Maggie's popularity was flagging so she told the Argentine prime minister that she wasn't bothered about the Falklands. He moves his army in and then Maggie complains. He can't move them out without losing face so a war starts. Us brits win (of course) and Maggie gets elected again.

If its true then a lot of guys died just cause of a politicians lie... They would never do that would they.... (we really need a sarcastic font)
 
I was a laddie in the late 70s but I remember only too well the harsh times from back then.my old fella ran a good going concrete business back then.interest rates were at 15% so servicing your overdraft became nigh on impossible prices were on the slide due to no building activity and it shut. With everyone on the dole.
the problem with that woman was that her policies on everything were extreme,no half measures.if u had an ingrown toenail her cure would be to cut your foot off at the ankle.as mentioned before selling all your infrastructure off to make a quick buck is biting us in the arse now.it was all short term ism to a tee.
it was the poll tax that nailed her in the end.i was an apprentice on 50 quid a week when it was introduced in Scotland.i had to pay the same as the guy living in a castle that's how much thAt cared for the working man.:001_9898:
 
it was the poll tax that nailed her in the end.i was an apprentice on 50 quid a week when it was introduced in Scotland.i had to pay the same as the guy living in a castle that's how much thAt cared for the working man.:001_9898:


on the other hand, my dad, on pension, living in the house he'd lived in since 1958, under the rating system was paying 3 times as much as a family of 4 wage earners paid between them. not all were worse of under the poll tax.
 
Many years ago I was seeing a lass who was studying politics in Uni. She told me that Maggie's popularity was flagging so she told the Argentine prime minister that she wasn't bothered about the Falklands. He moves his army in and then Maggie complains. He can't move them out without losing face so a war starts. Us brits win (of course) and Maggie gets elected again.

If its true then a lot of guys died just cause of a politicians lie... They would never do that would they.... (we really need a sarcastic font)
If thats true why wasn't it printed in the papers, i feel sure some or all of the leftie press would have grabbed that and it would have been broadcast far and wide
 
A newspaper that lends itself to left wing politics rather than print an unbiased view of the facts. Hope this helps

Name one which is well known :earmuffs: and name a newspaper which doesn't promote right wing politics with the exception of the morning star and the mirror.
 
Name one which is well known :earmuffs: and name a newspaper which doesn't promote right wing politics with the exception of the morning star and the mirror.
You just named one ie the Morning Star,and of course the Mirror, The Guardian is centre left and the Observer centre left +The independant is centre left
 
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pravda? and i remember the sun changing sides in '97 to support adolph blair.
 
A paper that tells the unbiased facts??? Show me one and I'll buy it.
one headline that sticks with me from 93 .the year of a general election.
front page of the sun there is only 5 years worth of oil in the north sea.
20 year later go and tack another 50 anyway on it.
propaganda the lot of it.
 
This thread has drifted from a vindictive uncaring Thatcher and her legacy, to a political debate on the merits or otherwise of socialism compared to full blown capitalism (in all its sickening face to this day)

I will make comment again in reference to that woman only and leave the socialist/ capitalist debate to the side for now

Some of the comments made about the times of the miners strike and the antics of Arthur Scargil also show a complete and utter mis understanding of the reality of what that woman did to particular parts of the country

I live where there are many villages,each village had a coal mine,there are no big towns or cities where alternative employment would be found,the lifeblood of the community was the colliery,you either worked there or in some sort of service capacity,either to the colliery or the community

In heavily populated areas,the burden of the loss of major industry could be managed by transferring to other work where possible.it would be difficult,but there may be other options available
In the mining areas,there was no alternative,there was and is no means of seeking employment,there were no manufacturing or other works available at all

She closed the pits and with such speed and ferocity that the communities were shattered
The miners themselves had already been sledge hammered by the length of the strike,they had relied on food parcels from myself and others in the community to feed themselves and their families,the closures were another hammer blow on top and the final nail in the coffin of whole communities

The woman carried out these closures with no interest in preparing our communities for the effect of the loss of its only employment

The aftermath of her actions resulted in not only nearly the whole of the working population being without employment or prospect of employment,it caused the young generation to have nothing,absolutely nothing, to aspire to
There was almost 100% unemployment of the youngsters for a whole generation,they in turn grew older and their kids were reared in households where employment was an alien concept,a rare experience for almost all that grew up there

Society where I live changed and reflected the damage this woman carried out
The communities were and are wastelands,the social structure was broken and remains so to this day

She not only took away our work or prospect of work,she took away hope,she destroyed a way of life,she is the most detested politician ever to be mentioned amongst my people,she will never be forgotten

Remember, these areas mined coal often with great loss of life,decimated health and almost slave labour wages until post war when the value of the coal that was mined was finally reflected in the wages of the miner

They worked for the rich man,lived in the rich mans slums,were obliged to buy their food and clothing in the rich mans shop and the descendants of the rich man,the woman herself, and her friends and fellow despots,wreaked carnage on my people as reward for their ill gotten gains,she did it for little more than revenge on those miners for daring to try and maintain their post war living standard

Coal from these areas that had lined the pockets of wealthy people from far off cities for over 200 years,we saw nothing of that wealth,we had the worst living standards,hardly any infrastructure,our roads, rail,housing was and is 3rd world compared to most areas
Our coal financed much of the life of Great Britain plc and was rewarded with Thatcher

Making the areas prepared to withstand the closures would have been no more than common sense, and perhaps empathy with those who were to be hammered for the wealth they had guiven her kind

Instead she chose not give a damn.the sacrifice of generation upon generation was thrown aside, in the same disgusting attitude as displayed in all the years past by these leeches who preyed on my people and our natural resources,our natural resources which made them the wealth in the first place

How this creature can be respected and even revered by ordinary people is mind boggling
 
You just named one ie the Morning Star,and of course the Mirror, The Guardian is centre left and the Observer centre left +The independant is centre left


nope all tory owned, check them out via google, the guardian is almost neutral, but it shows it's true colours near election times, the morning star is a communist paper, miles away from true labour fundemental values, I wouldn't use it to wipe my ---
 
i always knew MDJ was a communist union militant. ;-)

i have upmost respect to Mrs. Thatcher as a leader of the UK , and she did more to improve the economy than anything labour ever did.
and before all the haters march in with their political rants , show some f****** dignity.
;-)

what a bitch but got to agree on some issues
 
How about "The Socialist Worker" available at all good demonstrations near you. ;) I haven't read it myself yet.

Never heard of it haha, seriously the tory press brain wash you lot into thinking all labour party supporters are lefties and communists, My views are miles away from that but not a racist right wing view like thatchers.
 
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Maybe Margret Thatcher made some bad decisions, maybe she made some good one's too, I guess it all depends on whether these decisions directly affected you or not.

The point is somebody has died, and there are 18, 19, 20 year olds almost rioting in the streets, what the hell has it got to to with them? Any excuse for some thuggery, what sort of society have we really bred in this country?

What about respect for her children and family? If you all believe she did so much wrong is that fault of her children?

When I was young and lived in a village the churchyard was just down the road from my house, and whenever there was a funeral we, and everybody else used to draw the curtains at the front of the house as a sign of respect, whether we liked the person or not.

To take to the streets with this type of disrespect of everything, including the law is so just plain shameful.
I always believed I was proud to be English, but to have any association with these type of people just disgusts me.
 
nope all tory owned, check them out via google, the guardian is almost neutral, but it shows it's true colours near election times, the morning star is a communist paper, miles away from true labour fundemental values, I wouldn't use it to wipe my ---
The Guardian is centre left as is the observer,where do you get' Tory owned'.They lean towards the Liberals. And you asked me, Name one which is well known :earmuffs: and name a newspaper which doesn't promote right wing politics with the exception of the morning star and the mirror, ive done that

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