Who will you vote for?

[D Skelton]

I don't think he's referring to just 'normal', left wing people.

I think what he's actually referring to are the professionally offended. These people are apologists. Progressive liberals. Haters of their own race. They're thought policing crybabies who whine at every given opportunity about 'racism', 'misogyny' and 'bigotry' because that is all they have taught themselves to see in life, regardless of whether or not it is present. These people are the great unwashed, they dodge soap like there's no tomorrow and they make up the membership of your typical narrow minded protest groups such as UAF and Smash EDO.

Unfortunately, recently, normal people have started associating people like this with being 'left wing', when in fact they're anything of the sort! They are in fact just as 'right wing ' as groups like Britain First and the National Front. They stroll around with their own sense of self rightiousness doing everything in their power to shut down free debate and silence those who disagree with them. They have more in common with the 'fascists' they purport to oppose than even your typical far right nationalist group do.

Personally, it would be nice to be able to take back the term 'left wing' from these complete and utter scumbags who have misused it so much!

 

[Octopus]

I'm watching the poll numbers on here and I do think they show a worrying trend for the "old" 2 main parties.

 

[andyb]

I don't think he's referring to just 'normal', left wing people.

I think what he's actually referring to are the professionally offended. These people are apologists. Progressive liberals. Haters of their own race. They're thought policing crybabies who whine at every given opportunity about 'racism', 'misogyny' and 'bigotry' because that is all they have taught themselves to see in life, regardless of whether or not it is present. These people are the great unwashed, they dodge soap like there's no tomorrow and they make up the membership of your typical narrow minded protest groups such as UAF and Smash EDO.

Unfortunately, recently, normal people have started associating people like this with being 'left wing', when in fact they're anything of the sort! They are in fact just as 'right wing ' as groups like Britain First and the National Front. They stroll around with their own sense of self rightiousness doing everything in their power to shut down free debate and silence those who disagree with them. They have more in common with the 'fascists' they purport to oppose than even your typical far right nationalist group do.

Personally, it would be nice to be able to take back the term 'left wing' from these complete and utter scumbags who have misused it so much!

You might be right, though voting for Ukip to upset the people you are describing seems like lunacy to me.

Personally I don't feel I need to take back the term 'left wing' same as 'reclaiming the Cross of St George'

 

[trev]

I rarely describe myself as left wing for a lot of the reasons mentioned by my learned friend Mr Skelton. I describe myself as a socialist, another term that is increasingly misunderstood and misassociated with people who were anything but socialists.

 

[Jonspark]

I may be left wing but I'm far from a loony. Using your vote to pi$$ me off is 1 a bloody ridiculous waste of your vote and 2 extremely unlikely to, as you say, pi$$ me off.

Who says im talking about you?

 

[Jonspark]

I don't think he's referring to just 'normal', left wing people.

I think what he's actually referring to are the professionally offended. These people are apologists. Progressive liberals. Haters of their own race. They're thought policing crybabies who whine at every given opportunity about 'racism', 'misogyny' and 'bigotry' because that is all they have taught themselves to see in life, regardless of whether or not it is present. These people are the great unwashed, they dodge soap like there's no tomorrow and they make up the membership of your typical narrow minded protest groups such as UAF and Smash EDO.

Unfortunately, recently, normal people have started associating people like this with being 'left wing', when in fact they're anything of the sort! They are in fact just as 'right wing ' as groups like Britain First and the National Front. They stroll around with their own sense of self rightiousness doing everything in their power to shut down free debate and silence those who disagree with them. They have more in common with the 'fascists' they purport to oppose than even your typical far right nationalist group do.

Personally, it would be nice to be able to take back the term 'left wing' from these complete and utter scumbags who have misused it so much!

Mr Skelton you have absolutely read my mind.

 

[Jonspark]

I rarely describe myself as left wing for a lot of the reasons mentioned by my learned friend Mr Skelton. I describe myself as a socialist, another term that is increasingly misunderstood and misassociated with people who were anything but socialists.

And you know the problem with socialism is that one day the money will run out.

 

[andyb]

And you know the problem with socialism is that one day the money will run out.

What money Jon?

 

[Jonspark]

Do you know what socialism is ?

 

[Jonspark]

Along with George Galloway, socialism is my pet hate.

 

[trev]

No matter how much you may hate it, you have a great deal to thank socialism for.
However, I can see this descending into left=bad/good or right=bad/good.

 

[D Skelton]

Do you know what socialism is ?

It would appear that you don't quite know what socialism is.

Along with George Galloway, socialism is my pet hate.

Why? What is so bad about socialism? What is so bad about people putting in equally and receiving in equal measure?

Ultimately socialism is about cooperative ownership of the state. It leaves no room for corporate criminals ripping off the poor for personal gain. Socialism is the system that best supports the working class. The one problem is however, for it to work, it needs moderation. There does still need to be an incentive to earn money, hence this is what makes it different from communism, which doesn't work.

You may be thinking of revolutionary socialism, which isn't really socialism at all, it is just taxation and state control.

Real, moderate socialism actually works, unlike any other system.

 

[Des 56]

And you know the problem with socialism is that one day the money will run out.

You make that statement as if there is some sort of national pot of ready money that is spent by the Tories and squandered by the socialists

Yes, trade on a national scale can be compartmentalised to make it seem as if national spending is a simple matter of removing the profit generated from the pocket and dishing it out as seems fit,but in reality national spending is far removed from what you and i think of it on a personal level
Every government,I repeat EVERY GOVERNMENT needs to borrow money to fund what they decide the nation needs
There is a difference in what each party thinks the state should provide,that difference in philosophy is the difference between being a Tory and being a Socialist

By all means choose whichever party suits your leanings but don't for one moment think that state spending is unique to the Socialist,state spending on the whole is not a bad thing for the working man
and is a natural national economic tool only

 

[Jonspark]

It was a quote from mrs Thatcher, I think she knew what socialism is.

 

[trev]

She knew what she wanted you to think socialism is. Just like she knew that she wanted to convince everyone that running a country is no different from running a home.

 

[Des 56]

It was a quote from mrs Thatcher, I think she knew what socialism is.

No need to lower the debate by including offensive words

 

[rapparee]

It would appear that you don't quite know what socialism is.



Why? What is so bad about socialism? What is so bad about people putting in equally and receiving in equal measure?

Ultimately socialism is about cooperative ownership of the state. It leaves no room for corporate criminals ripping off the poor for personal gain. Socialism is the system that best supports the working class. The one problem is however, for it to work, it needs moderation. There does still need to be an incentive to earn money, hence this is what makes it different from communism, which doesn't work.

You may be thinking of revolutionary socialism, which isn't really socialism at all, it is just taxation and state control.

Real, moderate socialism actually works, unlike any other system.

What you are summing up is democratic socialism and a hint of left wing nationalism

 

[D Skelton]

It was a quote from mrs Thatcher, I think she knew what socialism is.

Thatcher didn't know her ar$e from her elbow. She was a thick, posh moron with nothing but a hatred for the working man.

She didn't know what socialism was, but she did know that whatever it was, it threatened her and her rich mates!

 

[D Skelton]

What you are summing up is democratic socialism and a hint of left wing nationalism

What im summing up is socialism, plain and simple. Add a bit of nationalism into the mix and what you have is... you guessed it... national socialism.

By far the best political system there ever has been and ever will be.

 

[trev]

The bad word filter doesn't mind arse Damian