Lucien's quick Tuesday quiz

[Avo Mk8]

My dubious attempt 1:c 2:a 3:c 4:d 5:d 6:b 7:c 8:b 9:d 10:b

 

[littlespark]

If in doubt with any multi choice…. The answers always C

So…

1:C
2:C
3:C
4:C
5:C
6:C
7:C
8:C
9:C
10:C

 

[happysteve]

1c, 2b, 3c, 4c, 5d, 6a, 7c, 8d, 9c, 10b.

Saw this today and instantly thought of @Lucien Nunes

Not in working order, but a video of it working was scary enough!

 

[freddo]

Hoping that old cables were measured in fractions of an inch and pretty sure I remember a discussion about wooden casing.

I thought those wire measurements posted were Standard Wire Gauge sizes.

 

[nicebutdim]

I thought those wire measurements posted were Standard Wire Gauge sizes.

That would make sense. I know little of old wire sizes and took a punt on fractions. With the benefit of hindsight I can see they would be rather large cables

 

[happysteve]

The only old cable size I know is 7/029, roughly equivalent to (slightly bigger csa?) 2.5mm^2

 

[islander]

I'll have a crack at it

1: d 2: a 3: b 4: a 5: c 6: b 7: c 8: b 9: c 10: b

 

[Vortigern]

Bit doubtful about Q.3 in that C looks like the answer but it is spelt wrong?

 

[Lucien Nunes]

nicebutdim 5/10
plugsandsparks 7/10
Avo 9/10
littlespark 4/10 (ingenious strategy, much better than random chance)
happysteve 5/10
islander 4/10

So Avo is in the lead. Not plumbum (ledd) but in front (leed).

Pointers
1. Not really a filament but does the same job.
2. Strands / gauge.
3. Most got this, every electrician must have heard the set phrase, 'Casing and ...' It's spelled correctly.
4. It had to be something practically testable on the spot.
5. Measure of output, not input.
6. Again lots of correct hits. Nichrome resistance wire wasn't invented until 1906.
7. Slightly droopy, don't want residual magnetism reversed by reverse current
8. Capless lamps aren't a new invention
9. Scott
10. This will teach me to put Easter eggs in quizzes. Multiple people gave wrong answers.

 

[Aaron b]

Every three weeks I get to hang around the Royal Free Hospital between blood tests, physical exam, scans etc that take a few hours of separate appointments. Not all locations in the building have enough signal to get an internet connection so I tend to work offline writing letters etc. This morning I'm short of offline jobs and only have the MacBook Air which doesn't have all my stuff on it, so here's a 2-minute quiz about electrics at the turn of the century. I might make this a regular slot.

1. A Nernst lamp contains a:
a) Blower
b) Flower
c) Glower
d) Thrower

2. Which is the largest cable:
a) 19/12
b) 37/16
c) 19/20
d) 7/22

3. Wooden casing is fitted with:
a) Basing
b) Facing
c) Capping
d) Strapping

4. IEE Rule 48: Fuses may be considered too large if they are not warm on full load, and too small if they:
a) Blow within 3 weeks of normal use
b) Buzz audibly
c) Sag or discolour on application of 10% overload
d) Hiss when moistened

5. Two common sizes of semi-enclosed arc lamp are rated at 1000 and 2000:
a) VA
b) mA
c) hours
d) c.p.

6. A radiant heater of the Dowsing type is fitted with:
a) Spaghetti coils
b) Sausage lamps
c) Biscuit bars
d) Mushroom diffusers

7. Dynamos used for charging accumulators should be:
a) Non-inductive
b) At least 4-pole
c) Shunt-wound
d) Compensated

8 A ‘B.L.’ incandescent lamp has:
a) Bayonet Lugs
b) Ballasted Leads
c) Bottom Loops
d) British Lamp-makers’ (cartel) conformity


9. A 2-phase AC circuit might incorporate a:
a) BESA
b) Caesar
c) MESA
d) Teaser

10. IEE Rule 38: Joints between flexible conductors and permanent wires under flooring or in wood-casing are prohibited. Joints constitute a source of weakness and they must, therefore, be accessible, and it is recommended that their positions be indicated by a:
a) Prominent Matthew
b) Conspicuous Mark
c) Noticeable Luke
d) Visible John

 

[Vortigern]

1 is a glower, i.e. solid element (ceramic) giviing radiant heat.
36 x 17 is the thickest
No 9 I think is something to do with a Scott Xformer...working on it. Yep it's a Teaser.
The rest have been answered.
Thanks @Lucien Nunes for a bit of light entrainment

 

[plugsandsparks]

OK, i am hooked. By process of deduction try this Mr LN

1:c 2:b 3:c 4:d 5:d 6:b 7:c 8:b 9:d 10:b

 

[Lucien Nunes]

Aaron b 5/10
P&S 8/10

Time to wrap this up, I think.

1: C. Glower.
The glower is the bit that glows. It's almost too obvious. It was also sometimes called the filament but the term 'glower' was specifically associated with the ceramic rod that becomes conductive and incandescent when preheated with a voltage across it.

2: A. 19/12.
At that time, wire sizes were often given in SWG. 19/12 meant a cable having 19 strands of 12SWG wire. The lower the SWG number, the larger the wire (like AWG but different definition). 19/12 is about 0.16 sq. ins compared to about 0.12 for 37/16. The four cables in the question are in decreasing order of CSA. Many of the familiar imperial strand diameters were derived from SWG sizes e.g. 22SWG became 0.029", 20SWG became 0.036" so 3/.036 was just a renaming of 3/20 etc.

3. C. Casing and Capping.
Wooden compartment trunking. An art form but so much work for even the simplest installation. Conductors of opposite polarity were not permitted to share a groove or cross in contact, so simply making a branch was a woodworking project.

4. D. Hiss when moistened.
The tinned copper wire fuse had not yet been standardised on, there were also soft-wire and weighted fuses and various patented designs. But any of them working at above boiling point was likely to oxidise and deteriorate in air.

5. D. c.p.
Most lights were at first described by their output in candle-power. Only later, once the efficacy was fairly standard amongst metal filament lamps, at about 1/2W per c.p. did the wattage start to denote the size. Working in c.p. one could compare the light output of different kinds of light source, which cannot be done by power rating. Recently we have seen a return to light output being quoted, using lumens.

6. B. Sausage lamp.
Although heating elements were one of the widest applications of electricity in the 20th century, radiant heaters initially had drawbacks because until the invention of nichrome wire, there wasn't really a satisfactory alloy that had a usefully high resistance and could withstand high temperatures in air without oxidising. A high-wattage filament running at a low temperature inside a lamp was a reasonable solution at the time. Radiant heating made a comeback 50 years later with silica-tube elements.

7. C. Shunt wound.
A shunt-wound dynamo has a near-level output characteristic with a bit of internal resistance. A compound type can have a completely level characteristic which is desirable for direct running but not needed for charging. The compound machine is prone to having its residual magnetism reversed by the battery discharging into it through the series field if the voltage drops e.g. due to engine stalling, therefore less practical for a simple charging plant.

8. C. B.L.
Before lamps all had caps, one of the earliest means of attaching them to the wiring was to arrange two live hooks, over which the looped leadout wires of a bottom-loop lamp would be hooked. A spring pushed the lamp away from the hooks to keep the wires in tension. Within a decade, this had fallen out of favour and the two popular types of cap, BC and ES, had become standard.

9. D. Teaser.
Some of the earliest polyphase systems, e.g. as developed by Nikola Tesla, used two phases. Not to be confused with split-phase or 2-out-of-3-phase, the two phases were 90 electrical degrees apart. This had the advantage of constant power (and hence constant torque) in motors as with 3-phase, but did not offer the economy of line plant. There were two approaches to 2-phase, one had equally-rated phases, the other had a main phase and a teaser that was only intended to be used as the second phase for motor load.

10. B. Conspicuous Mark.
There was no concept at the time of a standard for a maintenance-free connection, but it was an idea that troubled engineers from the early days. Soldering was considered to be a very permanent choice, but the insulation applied might not endure as well as the cable insulation. People jumped through many hoops to make as near a maintenance-free joint as possible, including building-up and vulcanising a rubber casing around every soldered joint. But still, there was a theoretical reluctance to hide it away without leaving an Evident Evangelist to show its location. Naturally, nobody really did this.

I should really post some pictures of some of this stuff but I'm not near any books right now. Thanks to all who participated, hopefully it provided a moment's amusement.

 

[goasis]

Aaron b 5/10
P&S 8/10

Time to wrap this up, I think.

1: C. Glower.
The glower is the bit that glows. It's almost too obvious. It was also sometimes called the filament but the term 'glower' was specifically associated with the ceramic rod that becomes conductive and incandescent when preheated with a voltage across it.

2: A. 19/12.
At that time, wire sizes were often given in SWG. 19/12 meant a cable having 19 strands of 12SWG wire. The lower the SWG number, the larger the wire (like AWG but different definition). 19/12 is about 0.16 sq. ins compared to about 0.12 for 37/16. The four cables in the question are in decreasing order of CSA. Many of the familiar imperial strand diameters were derived from SWG sizes e.g. 22SWG became 0.029", 20SWG became 0.036", 3/.036 was just a renaming of 3/16 etc.

3. C. Casing and Capping.
Wooden compartment trunking. An art form but so much work for even the simplest installation. Conductors of opposite polarity were not permitted to share a groove or cross in contact, so simply making a branch was a woodworking project.

4. D. Hiss when moistened.
The tinned copper wire fuse had not yet been standardised on, there were also soft-wire and weighted fuses and various patented designs. But any of them working at above boiling point was likely to oxidise and deteriorate in air.

5. D. c.p.
Most lights were at first described by their output in candle-power. Only later, once the efficacy was fairly standard amongst metal filament lamps, at about 1/2W per cp, did the wattage start to denote the size. Working in CP one could compare the light output of different kinds of light source, which cannot be done by power rating. Recently we have seen a return to light output being quoted, using lumens.

6. B. Sausage lamp.
Although heating elements were one of the widest applications of electricity in the 20th century, they got off to a slow start because until the invention of nichrome wire, there wasn't really a satisfactory alloy that had a usefully high resistance and could withstand high temperatures in air without oxidising. A high-wattage filament running at a low temperature inside a lamp was a reasonable solution at the time. Radiant heating made a comeback 50 years later with silica-tube elements.

7. C. Shunt wound.
A shunt-wound dynamo has a near-level output characteristic with a bit of internal resistance. A compound type can have a completely level characteristic which is desirable for direct running but not needed for charging. The compound machine is prone to having its residual magnetism reversed by the battery discharging into it through the series field if the voltage drops e.g. due to engine stalling, therefore less practical for a simple charging plant.

8. C. B.L.
Before lamps all had caps, one of the earliest means of attaching them to the wiring was to arrange two live hooks, over which the looped readout wires of a bottom-loop lamp would be hooked. A spring pushed the lamp away from the hooks to keep the wires in tension. Within a decade, this had fallen out of favour and the two popular types of cap, BC and ES, had become standard.

9. D. Teaser.
Some of the earliest polyphase systems, e.g. as developed by Nikola Tesla, used two phases. Not to be confused with split-phase or 2-out-of-3-phase, the two phases were 90 electrical degrees apart. This had the advantage of constant power (and hence constant torque) in motors as with 3-phase, but did not offer the economy of line plant. There were two approaches to 2-phase, one had equally-rated phases, the other had a main phase and a teaser that was only intended to be used as the second phase for motor load.

10. B. Conspicuous Mark.
There was no concept at the time of a standard for a maintenance-free connection, but it was an idea that troubled engineers from the early days. Soldering was considered to be a very permanent choice, but the insulation applied might not endure as well as the cable insulation. People jumped through many hoops to make as near a maintenance-free joint as possible, including building-up and vulcanising a rubber casing around every soldered joint. But still, there was a reluctance to hide it away without leaving an Evident Evangelist to show its location.

I should really post some pictures of some of this stuff but I'm not near any books right now. Thanks to all who participated, hopefully it provided a moment's amusement.

Awesome post!

 

[plugsandsparks]

Great fun, thx...... AGAIN, AGAIN

 

[littlespark]

We should organise a weekly pub quiz….

I’m fairly good with quite a few specialist subjects..
Anything really, but no good at Greek mythology…


You could say it’s my Achilles elbow.

 

[DPG]

Here's a none-electrical question for a change. NO GOOGLING!

Which company manufacturers the highest number of tyres per year?

 

[kropaske]

Here's a none-electrical question for a change. NO GOOGLING!

Which company manufacturers the highest number of tyres per year?

Its got to be Pirelli. F1, F2, F3 uses several thousends per racing weekend not to mention public sector

 

[DPG]

Its got to be Pirelli. F1, F2, F3 uses several thousends per racing weekend not to mention public sector

It's not Pirelli.

 

[littlespark]

Here's a none-electrical question for a change. NO GOOGLING!

Which company manufacturers the highest number of tyres per year?

I know!