My "Line/Wago" Products experience...

[LineProducts]

I have found wago levers to have a better grip than line, but the pushfits seem all the same

We have done some experiments to try get to the bottom of this. Have found that sometimes either will win a pull out test. However, if its installed correctly (properly inserted and lever in the closed position) LINE will comfortably exceed the pull out requirements of BS 60998.

Providing the cables are properly secured (by an appropriate enclosure or stapled) it is unlikely that an installation will require a pull our force in excess of BS60998.

 

[LineProducts]

I think if you compare the connectors like for like they are pretty much the same rating. i.e. lever type 32A, push in 0.75mm2 to 2.5mm2 =20/24A. There appear to be a few push in type with higher current ratings - line show some 0.75-4mm2 32A ones. I have some Wago 2.5 to 6mm2 which are 41A if I remember correctly.
Just buy the ones that meet your needs.

btw. if you want to use them maintenance free I believe they need derating. there is a table inside the lid of the wagoboxes which appears to show both 773 push fit and 222 lever type at 20A/250V.

LINE offer push in connectors in 24, 32 and 41A. There are varying opinions on what the connector requirements for a ring are. My personal view is that on a spur it is possible for a load to reach 26A in normal conditions, higher in fault before fuses will melt. Total aggregate current running through the connector will therefore be closer to circuit rating.

 

[keniff]

We have done some experiments to try get to the bottom of this. Have found that sometimes either will win a pull out test. However, if its installed correctly (properly inserted and lever in the closed position) LINE will comfortably exceed the pull out requirements of BS 60998.

Providing the cables are properly secured (by an appropriate enclosure or stapled) it is unlikely that an installation will require a pull our force in excess of BS60998.

Maybe I just had a bad batch, alot of them were cracked and levers were snapping the connector apart when opened, it was about 20 percent of the batch I ordered ended up using wagos since, maybe I should have not been so hasty to move over to wago

 

[LineProducts]

Maybe I just had a bad batch, alot of them were cracked and levers were snapping the connector apart when opened, it was about 20 percent of the batch I ordered ended up using wagos since, maybe I should have not been so hasty to move over to wago

We did have one batch that had some tooling teething problems (last year around June)- a few may have slipped through - plastic was slightly misaligned but electrical integrity ok. PM me your contact details and I'll send you some of the latest product.

 

[Megavolt]

I got one of the carry case full of line connectors in jan nearly empty now. Love them. And not one issue. Line do you do a refill for it.

 

[LineProducts]

I got one of the carry case full of line connectors in jan nearly empty now. Love them. And not one issue. Line do you do a refill for it.

Thanks for the feedback. Good to hear!

To refill just "pick and mix" on FORUMSHOP

 

[Mark_Burgess]

We did have one batch that had some tooling teething problems (last year around June)- a few may have slipped through - plastic was slightly misaligned but electrical integrity ok. PM me your contact details and I'll send you some of the latest product.

Maybe thats related to the duffers I got from you, I must get round to sending them back to you sometime.

 

[LineProducts]

Maybe thats related to the duffers I got from you, I must get round to sending them back to you sometime.

Please send any that gave problems. We are committed to providing products of the highest quality! As with all manufacturing processes there are occasional rogues that get through (electrical properties not compromised) which caught us out middle of last year.

We will gladly replace!

Tooling has been upgraded and last few batches have been great (with no manufacturing problems since oct last year).

 

[Heisenberg]

I don't know if anyone has asked this before, but how on earth are you allowed to make something that is obviously so similar to the Wagos, and not have them come after you for breach of IP? Didn't Wago patent any of their designs?

Cheers

 

[fog]

Hi been using line products for 18 months now superb products easy fast and great for a number of jobs.

 

[Sintra]

Just started using line this month and no problems at all.

 

[specs]

put an order into Line a few days back, they sent me a couple of enclosures FOC i used them on a job yesterday (down lighters) coudn't believe how fast they were to fit . Just ordered 50 more.Hopefully they will arrive soon and save me from having to use the chocboxes. Excellent timesaving product. I have also used wago boxes but found them a bit of a fiddle to use ie closing the lid when cables and connectors are inserted. Re connectors, i now have both types and i cannot fault either make.

 

[Badged01]

Positive feedback when its due.

Used the new 32A in-line connectors when extending circuits on a consumer unit change and was impressed. Quick, simple (in-line as the name suggests!) and a good solid connection straight away. So much less hassle than trying to crimp solid cores and much less bulky than the lever connectors.

My way forward in future ........

 

[Essexboy7]

I have never used them so what do you do just push the orange clip down and that makes the connection?

 

[telectrix]

I have never used them so what do you do just push the orange clip down and that makes the connection?

the lever ones are for when using flex and/or solid or if you want to be able to re-use. lift clip to 90deg., insert cable, close clip.

 

[Badged01]

The in-line ones are almost the same size as a crimp. Just push the cables in at either end, quick tug to make sure they are secure and away you go!

Problem I find with the lever connectors (apart from the bulkiness) is that the cables have to eneter from the same side which causes a bit of a cable 'kink' when using for in-line connection --- hence the simplicity of the new in-line connector ;-)

p.s. Im not on any commission for good reviews!

 

[brman]

I didn't realise Line did in-line ones now. The look like a great alternative to crimps!

I think the wago type are great for use in the line/wago enclosures but I agree they are not so neat in consumer units etc.

 

[omega015]

Just came across these line pushfit connectors. Using wago at moment and didn't know anyone else did these. Is the quality as good as wago?

Also has anyone used the forum link to buy these? seems like they might be telling porkies about the discount? or maybe just not updated the was price. for example one connector they suggest I would get 50% off. But if I go to the normal shop, the price is already much lower than the stated was price. confused? I am.

Thanks.

 

[LineProducts]

Just came across these line pushfit connectors. Using wago at moment and didn't know anyone else did these. Is the quality as good as wago?

Also has anyone used the forum link to buy these? seems like they might be telling porkies about the discount? or maybe just not updated the was price. for example one connector they suggest I would get 50% off. But if I go to the normal shop, the price is already much lower than the stated was price. confused? I am.

Thanks.

Hello Omega
There are many posts by other members about LINE. See also:http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk/electrical-forum-general-electrical-forum/59596-wago.html .

Regarding pricing on the forumshop the site is based on rrp so discounts are relevant to that and all prices reflect the special deal we offer forum members. The other site is maintained separately and reflect the best prices we are currently able to offer the trade in general.
All our products are guaranteed for quality. Our supplier had some tooling issues with the 5 lever connector so currently have limited supply of these but where this is a problem we do supply wago instead (at our price).
We will also gladly send samples - please pm me your full contact/postal details.
Please let me know if you have any other questions.
Regards
LINE

 

[telectrix]

thought it was me and my tired eyes with the 5 lever types. couldn't get the buggers to hold even after using a hammer.

 

[LineProducts]

thought it was me and my tired eyes with the 5 lever types. couldn't get the buggers to hold even after using a hammer.

? Problem was some levers snapping. No issues with the grip!

 

[telectrix]

the 2 i had , the cable clamp seemed as if it would not lift up to allow the cable to go under it. TBH, i not sure whether they were line or wago.

 

[LineProducts]

the 2 i had , the cable clamp seemed as if it would not lift up to allow the cable to go under it. TBH, i not sure whether they were line or wago.

Surprised the hammer didnt work!

 

[specs]

Ive been looking at these too, but keep putting it off. Will have to get some of these ordered!

Thanks for the review.

Try them mate, they are brilliant the time saved far outweighs the small extra expense and I for one would not be without them. just sorting out my next order for job starting next week.

 

[specs]

just placed my orders (2), I note that your L324L are from 0.75mm flex size, that's ok for me at the moment as i still have stock of this size. However in the future i feel that 0.05 would be a little cheaper as we only use LED. I could probably run all of the lighting on bell wire. Will you be introducing a 0.05 mm version.

 

[Marvo]

However in the future i feel that 0.05 would be a little cheaper as we only use LED. I could probably run all of the lighting on bell wire. Will you be introducing a 0.05 mm version.

Did you mis-type the size? I assume you're after 0.5mm....

 

[specs]

Did you mis-type the size? I assume you're after 0.5mm....

LOL I certainly did and I am.

 

[telectrix]

LOL I certainly did and I am.

should have gone to specsavers.

 

[7029 dave]

fantastic bit of kit , hope its as good as the 6 terminal Ashley jb's I used in me day.

 

[geordie]

Any tried k9 clamps by Hylec

 

[telectrix]

aren't K9 clamps dog muzzles?

 

[specs]

Any tried k9 clamps by Hylec

Just been looking them up, they look interesting , no stripping or screws they just clamp on to cable. not sure if they will be any good for what I want to use them for but they do look interesting. I am sending off for a free sample to get a closer look.

 

[Andy78]

Didn't some mention k9 clamps this week and they got slated as a fire hazard ?

EDIT: found the thread http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...al-regulations/79899-kwik-wire-connector.html

 

[specs]

Didn't some mention k9 clamps this week and they got slated as a fire hazard ?

EDIT: found the thread http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...al-regulations/79899-kwik-wire-connector.html

think I will give them a miss then

 

[LineProducts]

just placed my orders (2), I note that your L324L are from 0.75mm flex size, that's ok for me at the moment as i still have stock of this size. However in the future i feel that 0.05 would be a little cheaper as we only use LED. I could probably run all of the lighting on bell wire. Will you be introducing a 0.05 mm version.

Sorry about the slow reply.
There are some products out there for thinner sections but most are more expensive that the ranges we do. I will do some research and if anything interesting comes up will let you know.

 

[davethsparky]

I have a few questions regarding these line jobbies.

Why do the connectors have to be derated when used as a maintenance free connection? Does this mean that they can't actually be relied on to work at their rated current?

How does a cable tie with writing on it make the enclosure maintainance free? what is special about this cable tie in relation to any other cable tie?

I like the look of the inline 2 port connector, but could you create a simillar thing that has a lug at one end? like a push fit version of the blue/red lugs?

 

[Richard Burns]

I have a few questions regarding these line jobbies.

Why do the connectors have to be derated when used as a maintenance free connection? Does this mean that they can't actually be relied on to work at their rated current?

How does a cable tie with writing on it make the enclosure maintainance free? what is special about this cable tie in relation to any other cable tie?

I like the look of the inline 2 port connector, but could you create a simillar thing that has a lug at one end? like a push fit version of the blue/red lugs?

I forgot I was going to say something on this one.

The testing required for the maintenance free side of things must ensure that the connections do not get above certain temperatures which are lower than for accessible locations, this means that the derating of the connectors ensures that the connections are not subject to thermal stress and so will last long enough to not require maintenance.

Maintenance free junction boxes must have the MF logo and possibly the BS number to which they are compliant. Since the line boxes do not have this marking on the body, in order to meet BS7671 the cable ties have this marking and since the maintenance free requirements are for the enclosure as a whole unit this complies.

 

[davethsparky]

That's ridiculous! why aren't these connectors designed to not require maintainence full stop. This sounds to me like sub-standard parts are being produced. The connectors should be rated such that they don't suffer thermal stress anyway regardless of where they are installed. Does this mean that the connectors are likely to suffer from thermal stress when used in non MF situations and therefore will have a reduced lifespan?
Do we need to oversize the cable to avoid it placing thermal stress on the connector? surely a cable which operates at 70 degrees will still operate at 70 degrees even if the connector is down-rated? For example a line 32 amp connector de-rated to 20 amps but used to join a 1.0mm t+e running at 70 degrees will still get heated to 70degrees won't it?
This just sounds like a bodge it and scarper method of getting over cut price manufacturing.

I still don't understand why a maintenance free enclosure needs to have these special cable ties with writing on it? You use a maintenance free joint in situations where the joint is inaccessible therefore nobody will see it to read the writing?

 

[Andy78]

That's ridiculous! why aren't these connectors designed to not require maintainence full stop. This sounds to me like sub-standard parts are being produced. The connectors should be rated such that they don't suffer thermal stress anyway regardless of where they are installed. Does this mean that the connectors are likely to suffer from thermal stress when used in non MF situations and therefore will have a reduced lifespan?
Do we need to oversize the cable to avoid it placing thermal stress on the connector? surely a cable which operates at 70 degrees will still operate at 70 degrees even if the connector is down-rated? For example a line 32 amp connector de-rated to 20 amps but used to join a 1.0mm t+e running at 70 degrees will still get heated to 70degrees won't it?
This just sounds like a bodge it and scarper method of getting over cut price manufacturing.

I still don't understand why a maintenance free enclosure needs to have these special cable ties with writing on it? You use a maintenance free joint in situations where the joint is inaccessible therefore nobody will see it to read the writing?

They wont suffer a reduced lifespan in normal use, they will gain an extended lifespan by downrating for MF use. Any accessible joint should be subject to periodic inspection and test anyway.

MF markings are required for an inaccessible enclosure by BS7671 526.3(vi), and that is why the tie wraps are there to mark up a LINE enclosure should you be using it for MF purposes.

 

[davethsparky]

Which leads nicely on to the question of what the rated lifespan of the connectors is? It doesn't appear to be on their website anywhere. And what is the lifespan of the downrated connector? I assume it will be unlimited as otherwise it will not be maintenance free? And what about the conductor operating temperature? that hasn't changed so how is the connector going to experience less thermal stress by being downrated? You can still join that 1.0mm t+e in one of these MF joints with the 32A connector downrated to 20A and still working at 70degrees, how has the thermal stress on the connector been reduced by the downrating?


If the joint is inaccessible then who on earth is going to read it? If it is accessible to be read then it is accessible and therefore the label is not necessary as it is not inaccessible. Is it just there to give the rats something to read as they nibble on it?