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Jimmyb

I got of my brother on the way home from work about his rcd tripping, when I got there I turned off all mcb's and still rcd wouldn’t reset, tested rcd and it was faulty, replaced rcd and tested it to find results good, connected wires back up to find rcd would turn on.
I then ir test circuits between neutral and earth and was getting 0 ohms on the upper ring main, went round and checked once again !! lol there was nothing lefted turn on eg fcu, I then tested resistance to find 0.21ohms on the ring so though to myself I can now narrow it down to a certain area, before I went any further I decided to ir the last circuit on the board which was the cooker and also found n-e @ 0 ohms, I then decided to ir test between the 2 circuit’s natural’s and earth's and found that the natural’s from ring had a fault to earth on all other circuits on the buzz bar and the cooker had a earth fault between all other neutrals.

I 1st thought it got to be a nail or screw thought both wires as it's across 2 circuits but as I’ve only been into the game for a few years now since collage I didn’t want to jump to anything conclusions and do any unneeded work. I traced the cable to find the cooker cable went straight down under floor boards and up to cooker sw and the ring when up from cu so the cable could be anywhere near each other.

I thought seen as it was late I would disconnect the cooker circuit and sort that tomorrow morning properly just replace cable as it was only 5m away and not to bad job to do and try and get skts sorted out tonight, hoping with my limited exp. that it would be a neutral trapped against metal box ect and maybe not nail and since there is only 7 skts I thought id check them, they where all fine so left all sockets pulled out from bb and ir test again to still find fault there, by this time he wanted to go to bed as he goes to work at 4 and asked me to leave it for tonight and come back tomorrow afternoon and if I could just get the other circuits to stay turn on that would be great.

The conclusion I came to was that it had to be cable damage aprox 10 meters from cu but I’m only guessing now so was hoping you guys could give some advice.

Many thanks

Jimmy:confused:
 
I then tested resistance to find 0.21ohms on the ring so though to myself I can now narrow it down to a certain area

The conclusion I came to was that it had to be cable damage aprox 10 meters from cu but I’m only guessing now so was hoping you guys could give some advice.

I take it you mean you checked continuity between neutral and earth at CU and got 0.21Ω. If so I would agree that you have a N-E fault between 10 and 11 meters from CU.
 
yes at cu 0.21Ω, i just cant understand how the problem could be linked with the cables not following the same route and both faluts happening at the same time. could it be anything to do with loose neutrals on other circuits as was suggeted to me but i didnt see how it could fit in with the results.
 
No but havnt had a good look yet :eek:, i just wanted check that it gona be cable damage and not something else as it was across 2 different circuits
 
Sorry if I'm stating the obvious here but have you made sure each circuit is completely disconnected from both the N bar and the MCB before testing it...?
 
Would it be practical to temporarily lash a piece of cable from CU to first point on circuit that you know is good to confirm that your fault is where you suspect it to be?
 
I once got really confused with aload of low readings between neutral and earth.
I had flicked off the main 2 pole isolator on the fuse board without really looking and then thought that I had found the problem as I was getting low N-E readings.
It wasn't until a bit of head scratching that I realised that the neutral was wired straight into the neutral bar and the neutral pole on the isolator was not used.
Taught me to look for the obvious before jumping in.
 
I take it you mean you checked continuity between neutral and earth at CU and got 0.21Ω. If so I would agree that you have a N-E fault between 10 and 11 meters from CU.

I'm a newbie and assuming that from the thread post above that the 0.21 ohm Reading suggests the distance of 10ish meters..

Just wondering how that's calculated if someone could explain that would be awesome..
 
The 10 metres is arrived at by calculating the expected natural resistance of the conductors

OSG Appendix 9 Table 9A (page 166 in my OSG)

Because it is a ring circuit (sockets) assuming it is wired 2.5/1.5 T&E
Look down the table to find column 1 = 2.5 and column 2 = 1.5
Column 3 gives the resistance per metre or R1+R2/metre in milli ohms of 19.51
So a reading of 0.21 ohms divided by 19.51 milliohms is 0.21/0.01951 = 10.76
remember - it is 19.51 milli ohms per metre, to the 10.76 is the number of metres of 2.5/1.5 T&E that would be expected to produce a resistance of 0.21 ohms
 
For 2.5mm T&E

Resistance of 2.5mm cable = 0.0074 (m ohms / M)
Resistance of 1.5mm cable = 0.0121 (m ohms / M)

10M 2.5 = 0.074 ohms
10M 1.5 = 0.121 ohms

Total = 0.195 ohms
 
That's so cool, thanks for explaining that guys..

I haven't started my 2330 yet - I start next week, but I'm so looking forward to it!
 
Found the problem, the cable was damaged at about 8 meters, the cables where run under skirting boards (plastered over) and he had removed them and caused the problem cos the nail must of caught cable when they where removed but he didnt have any problems untill 4 days later.

replaced part of the ring and cooker cables as they also went round the door !!!!
 

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