Channel 5 - Illegals: Breaking into Britain

[Adam W]

There's a programme on Channel 5 at the moment about illegal immigrants. They've just been talking to some guy who came here in 1995 with a 'rented' passport, then he destroyed his own passport so he wouldn't be deported, paid £4k for fake papers so he could work, worked in construction until he'd saved enough to buy a house back home, and now he just steals for drugs money.

If this is all fabricated it's a wonder they get away with it.

 

[trev]

It always makes me wonder how the TV companies track these people down and get them to admit in front of a camera what they do when the authorities struggle. Similarly with Ross Kemp, on his programme he regularly gets in front of "dangerous criminals" for an interview after only a couple of days in a country but their own police don't know where they are and if they do they can't pin anything on them.
Smells a bit fishy to me.

 

[Adam W]

I thought you might say something like that.

 

[dingledong]

Ross Kemp show takes months to set up
And the illegal who is saying he won't stop trying to get to England phones up the film makers from England !
Of course they are all actors we have no problems in this country it's all media lies

 

[specs]

Went down to Selco 2 days ago, on my way in about 50/60 blokes chased my van and tried to open the doors, got into the car park and turned around and drove out. The security at the gate could do nothing. All of these blokes were after work/ help you load your van / I good worker/ me can do it/ me builder/ me plumber/me tiler, It was scary. What the hell is going on in this country.

 

[Andy78]

I particularly liked the Indian guy who had been here illegally for 20 years. He destroyed his passport on entering to prevent deportation and spent his time working illegally, shoplifting, taking drugs, and spending time in prison.
Now he has decided he wants to go back to India, fed up now. Contacted the home office for a free ride home. They are taking a very long time to send him back because of his lack of documentation... "Bloody home office...... all these forms to fill in......... what a pain...........you get treated like **** being an illegal"

My.
Heart.
Bled.

 

[dingledong]

Yes I didn't understs d that . They won't deport him why

 

[dingledong]

Went down to Selco 2 days ago, on my way in about 50/60 blokes chased my van and tried to open the doors, got into the car park and turned around and drove out. The security at the gate could do nothing. All of these blokes were after work/ help you load your van / I good worker/ me can do it/ me builder/ me plumber/me tiler, It was scary. What the hell is going on in this country.

You were filmed of course they were all actors being filmed it's a government plot

 

[specs]

You were filmed of course they were all actors being filmed it's a government plot

I suggest you go to Selco at cricklewood . Nota copper or camera or immigration officer in sight. And Selco are losing customers fast.

 

[Adam W]

Yes I didn't understs d that . They won't deport him why

I don't think it's supposed to be easy. He got himself here, he can get himself back. The idea shouldn't be that England is the promised land where you get a free council house just for turning up and saying you don't like the country you're from, expecting work, then when you don't get the warm welcome you had hoped for or you get homesick you get flown back home in first class with tales to tell of your great adventure.
Likewise the idea that if you commit a crime you get rewarded with a free ticket home. If you break all the rules and then want something, you should have to phone up some call centre somewhere to get passed around various departments to book an appointment to see some public sector jobsworth who sits behind a desk passing judgement on you and then says well she's sorry sir but there's not really much she can do. Repeat several times until it becomes apparent the only way to get home is to get yourself there. If illegal immigrants return home with stories of how unwelcoming and frustrating Britain is, then maybe the ghettos in Calais will reduce in size.

 

[Adam W]

You were filmed of course they were all actors being filmed it's a government plot

Do I detect a note of sarcasm?

 

[dingledong]

No just trying to agree with some one who posted on here that all

 

[Octopus]

I particularly liked the Indian guy who had been here illegally for 20 years. He destroyed his passport on entering to prevent deportation and spent his time working illegally, shoplifting, taking drugs, and spending time in prison.
Now he has decided he wants to go back to India, fed up now. Contacted the home office for a free ride home. They are taking a very long time to send him back because of his lack of documentation... "Bloody home office...... all these forms to fill in......... what a pain...........you get treated like **** being an illegal"

My.
Heart.
Bled.

The Home Office should simply buy him a 1 way ticket from Heathrow, throwing in a taxi to the airport.

 

[uksparks]

I did a periodic the other day on a bed sit in Leicester, it had a couple of mattresses and lots of mouse poop.

Sorry, I'm waffling. The point was the people who had just been housed in it had just three weeks ago come over from Iran.

I felt sorry for them for a short time, then thought sod it, you are the sodding illegals here claiming benefits, free house and free phone.

GO HOME TO WHERE YOU BELONG

 

[trev]

Lets dispel a few myths here.
If someone comes here illegally
They are not entitled to claim benefits.
They are not entitled to housing whether free or paid for/ social or private.
They are not entitled to bring their families over from whatever hellhole they come from.
Think about it logically for a minute, these programmes are made for a reason and that is to whip people into an indignant fury. The facts are usually very different, slave labour in terrible conditions that they cannot escape from. Yes the problem exists, I don't dispute that but ffs don'y buy into the BNP/EDL/gutter press BS. Use your head.

 

[Octopus]

Lets dispel a few myths here.
If someone comes here illegally
They are not entitled to claim benefits.
They are not entitled to housing whether free or paid for/ social or private.
They are not entitled to bring their families over from whatever hellhole they come from.
Think about it logically for a minute, these programmes are made for a reason and that is to whip people into an indignant fury. The facts are usually very different, slave labour in terrible conditions that they cannot escape from. Yes the problem exists, I don't dispute that but ffs don'y buy into the BNP/EDL/gutter press BS. Use your head.

And very few head to South Shields!

 

[Silly Sausage]

The first word and number in the thread title told it would be bollox!

 

[trev]

And very few head to South Shields!

I don't know how many illegals are in South Shields although I may have been instrumental in a few of them being caught (another thread on another day) because the statistics don't and can't exist.

Do you know how many illegals there are in your town? If so, how?

 

[Octopus]

I don't know how many illegals are in South Shields although I may have been instrumental in a few of them being caught (another thread on another day) because the statistics don't and can't exist.

Do you know how many illegals there are in your town? If so, how?

No idea mate but each time I go to town or to the Supermarket the number of foreign voices seem to be on the increase.

Anyway its not just about illegals - its the sheer quantity of incomers adding to the burden of shortage of housing in the South which IS the real problem.

In Woking £120K may buy you a shabby studio flat!

 

[Silly Sausage]

No idea mate but each time I go to town or to the Supermarket the number of foreign voices seem to be on the increase.

Anyway its not just about illegals - its the sheer quantity of incomers adding to the burden of shortage of housing in the South which IS the real problem.

In Woking £120K may buy you a shabby studio flat!

I read on another forum earlier, some lass went to check out a new build flat in Battersea armed with £1.2M, the guy says to to her in all seriouslynessly, haha, you couldn't stretch to £2.5M

 

[micknew]

And very few head to South Shields!

If Trev feels left out he should invite some of ours in Kent to come and be his neighbours, he'd soon change his tune.
We're saturated with them.

 

[micknew]

Vote UKIP.

 

[Guest111]

The main problem is Europe,as long as the immigrants keep moving europe is happy,French police do nothing to stop them getting into trucks at the port because they are leaving France,you cannot send them back without papers as the country they originated from will simply not accept them.They come over here and simply don't wish to integrate,on Sunday at a car boot I heard a polish woman bawling a 5 year old out in Polish,now here's the question,at that age that child will be in a british school speaking english,so the mother should speak english too,either integrate or go home.Recently I saw a classic,a coloured woman whose family moved from Sri Lanka to france came to live over here,she has a 4 year old daughter who allegedly has learning difficulties,basically she has trouble speaking.After spending an hour with these people it became obvious what the problem is.The grandparents speak no english,the woman and her partner speak French and her native language, the poor child is in a nursery where they are trying to teach it english,basically the child is so confused at being spoken to in 3 different languages.there is only one way to stop illegals entering this country and that is to fill all the trucks with a poison gas,after a few of them pop off the rest will stop coming here,yes I know it sounds brutal but I'm sick to death of all that goes on and of being made to feel like a foreigner in my own country.One day when our island is full of these people europe will close it's borders and Britain will have become it's rubbish tip where all europes undesirables will be sent,kind of like Alcatraz.

 

[trev]

Vote UKIP.

As I've said before, I'd rather set fire to my own genitalia after smearing them with honey and lying down in a bath of hungry soldier ants.

 

[trev]

A few years ago I worked in Germany, the wife came out to see me with the oldest son (the only one at the time) we went for a day out somewhere and he did something that warranted a telling off which I delivered in English.
How dare I refuse to integrate with the local population, how dare I speak in my own language in a different country which was good enough to provide me with work, how dare I disregard the feelings of the locals who may not have had a clue what I was saying.

 

[ferg]

Well at least you are self aware.

Anyway that doesn't count. it only counts if you are a foreigner coming over here nicking our jobs and wimmin.

 

[Adam W]

Lets dispel a few myths here.
If someone comes here illegally
They are not entitled to claim benefits.
They are not entitled to housing whether free or paid for/ social or private.
They are not entitled to bring their families over from whatever hellhole they come from.
Think about it logically for a minute, these programmes are made for a reason and that is to whip people into an indignant fury. The facts are usually very different, slave labour in terrible conditions that they cannot escape from. Yes the problem exists, I don't dispute that but ffs don'y buy into the BNP/EDL/gutter press BS. Use your head.

If somebody has come here using a fake passport why would you assume they don't have other fake documents?
They may not be entitled to benefits, but they weren't entitled to be here in the first place, but they are.
How do you explain that?

 

[Adam W]

A few years ago I worked in Germany, the wife came out to see me with the oldest son (the only one at the time) we went for a day out somewhere and he did something that warranted a telling off which I delivered in English.
How dare I refuse to integrate with the local population, how dare I speak in my own language in a different country which was good enough to provide me with work, how dare I disregard the feelings of the locals who may not have had a clue what I was saying.

I was too young to work in Germany during the 'Auf Wiedersehen, Pet' years, but from what I've heard from those who did, that's pretty much spot on; they were treated much worse than the eastern Europeans are here now.

 

[trev]

If somebody has come here using a fake passport why would you assume they don't have other fake documents?
They may not be entitled to benefits, but they weren't entitled to be here in the first place, but they are.
How do you explain that?

How do I explain what? Everyone knows that any system, no matter how tight you make it, will have a small number of people who abuse it by working around it.
Usually the illegals are employed by people of their own ethnicity who treat them like slaves and house them in appalling conditions.

 

[Adam W]

How do I explain what? Everyone knows that any system, no matter how tight you make it, will have a small number of people who abuse it by working around it.
Usually the illegals are employed by people of their own ethnicity who treat them like slaves and house them in appalling conditions.

It's not a 'small number' though - there are hundreds of them in camps in Calais waiting to stowaway on lorries bound for Britain - there was a programme about it on Channel 5 the other day. They're not genuinely seeking asylum because they've already come through several 'safe' countries to get here, in fact they're already in a 'safe' country. They chose to go there yet they moan about the quality of the free accommodation. They want to come here because they've heard they'll get a free house and free money.

 

[Engineer54]

The Home Office should simply buy him a 1 way ticket from Heathrow, throwing in a taxi to the airport.

Why not throw them into a work based detention centre where it takes a minimum of 6 months to earn/pay for his/her ticket home as well as any costs incurred by his stay at the detention centre. Either that, or give the bill for the ticket to his/her national embassy and let them chase the individual for reimbursement in the country of origin!! Why should the UK pay!!

 

[dingledong]

I have to agree there the ethnic are treated worse by there own kind than by us ,more of these gang bosses should be getting deported too . Shocking

 

[Guest77]

There's a programme on Channel 5 at the moment about illegal immigrants. They've just been talking to some guy who came here in 1995 with a 'rented' passport, then he destroyed his own passport so he wouldn't be deported, paid £4k for fake papers so he could work, worked in construction until he'd saved enough to buy a house back home, and now he just steals for drugs money.

If this is all fabricated it's a wonder they get away with it.

I wouldn't take any notice of these programs, on benefits Britain they followed a guy from his house in Poland to the UK before he ever came here apparently with him saying good bye to his family and vowing to get 40k a year from the system. How did the BBC know about him and why didn't they report him to customs when he arrived with the film as evidence? it is all bollox.

 

[Guest77]

It's not a 'small number' though - there are hundreds of them in camps in Calais waiting to stowaway on lorries bound for Britain - there was a programme about it on Channel 5 the other day. They're not genuinely seeking asylum because they've already come through several 'safe' countries to get here, in fact they're already in a 'safe' country. They chose to go there yet they moan about the quality of the free accommodation. They want to come here because they've heard they'll get a free house and free money.

Yes they have heard this, however they will be disappointed should they get here, the Governnment pays a small fortune stopping them coming here in the first place by employing staff in france and also paying towards the French police costs, regardless of politics here our way of life is tempting for many, only a few with a reason get this way of life, the illegals get hunted by border control, a lot of countries suffer the same problems.

 

[Adam W]

I wouldn't take any notice of these programs, on benefits Britain they followed a guy from his house in Poland to the UK before he ever came here apparently with him saying good bye to his family and vowing to get 40k a year from the system. How did the BBC know about him and why didn't they report him to customs when he arrived with the film as evidence? it is all bollox.

Are you suggesting the whole thing was fabricated? You think a film maker went to Calais, staged a refugee camp and paid an actor to put on a foreign accent and say he was trying to get into Britain illegally, when in reality nothing of the sort happened, but the Broadcasting Standards Commission allow them to call it a documentary and put it on the telly anyway?

I appreciate some of these documentaries may be sexed up for the cameras, sometimes even have the image skewed to add a heightened sense of drama, but there has to be a certain element of truth in what they're showing.

As I've said elsewhere, it's important to take the information you're given, as in the hard core facts, and form your own opinion and not simply take the way a journalist has presented something as fact, but simply writing off any article which doesn't fit in with your ideal as fabrication and lies is just as blinkered.

 

[Guest77]

Are you suggesting the whole thing was fabricated? You think a film maker went to Calais, staged a refugee camp and paid an actor to put on a foreign accent and say he was trying to get into Britain illegally, when in reality nothing of the sort happened, but the Broadcasting Standards Commission allow them to call it a documentary and put it on the telly anyway?

I appreciate some of these documentaries may be sexed up for the cameras, sometimes even have the image skewed to add a heightened sense of drama, but there has to be a certain element of truth in what they're showing.

As I've said elsewhere, it's important to take the information you're given, as in the hard core facts, and form your own opinion and not simply take the way a journalist has presented something as fact, but simply writing off any article which doesn't fit in with your ideal as fabrication and lies is just as blinkered.

What are you talking about, who said anything about a fabrication of a refugee camp in calais? your a typical right wing thinker who believes everyone who doens't speak english as a first language a money grabber, Yes I do believe it is good TV, how does the BBC know about a polish man who has never been to Britain intending to come here and try to rip the country off for 40k a year? how? they were apparently invited to his home where he told all on TV for our viewing. Would you go public on TV telling a well known world wide broadcasting company of your intentions if you intended to do the same? no, you would deny everything and anything and wouldn't want the attention, it is all bollox.

 

[Adam W]

What are you talking about, who said anything about a fabrication of a refugee camp in calais? your a typical right wing thinker who believes everyone who doens't speak english as a first language a money grabber, Yes I do believe it is good TV, how does the BBC know about a polish man who has never been to Britain intending to come here and try to rip the country off for 40k a year? how? they were apparently invited to his home where he told all on TV for our viewing. Would you go public on TV telling a well known world wide broadcasting company of your intentions if you intended to do the same? no, you would deny everything and anything and wouldn't want the attention, it is all bollox.

I don't need you to tell me what I believe, I'll make up my own mind thank you very much.

I was talking about a programme on Channel 5 called Illegals: Breaking into Britain, where they showed a refugee camp in Calais housing a load of people trying to get into Britain illegally. You seem to be talking about a different programme on a different channel.

I don't know how they found the people to film, maybe they put an advert in the local paper, maybe they found them via word of mouth, and I don't know what the subjects thought they were being filmed for. Maybe they didn't realise it was the BBC, maybe they didn't realise the film makers were planning to portray them in a bad light, but they did. You can see on the programme that they did. There was another programme called 'Benefits street' where the residents of a street were shown as a load of spongers. They didn't know they were going to be shown as a load of spongers, they thought they were being filmed for a programme about communities. They wouldn't have agreed to it otherwise. I don't think how they found the subjects of the programme is enough of an unanswered question to discredit the whole programme.

 

[trev]

Are you suggesting the whole thing was fabricated?

In a nuthell, yes.

 

[Guest77]

I don't need you to tell me what I believe, I'll make up my own mind thank you very much.

I was talking about a programme on Channel 5 called Illegals: Breaking into Britain, where they showed a refugee camp in Calais housing a load of people trying to get into Britain illegally. You seem to be talking about a different programme on a different channel.

I don't know how they found the people to film, maybe they put an advert in the local paper, maybe they found them via word of mouth, and I don't know what the subjects thought they were being filmed for. Maybe they didn't realise it was the BBC, maybe they didn't realise the film makers were planning to portray them in a bad light, but they did. You can see on the programme that they did. There was another programme called 'Benefits street' where the residents of a street were shown as a load of spongers. They didn't know they were going to be shown as a load of spongers, they thought they were being filmed for a programme about communities. They wouldn't have agreed to it otherwise. I don't think how they found the subjects of the programme is enough of an unanswered question to discredit the whole programme.

And we will make our mind up so stop spouting crap all over the forum, your worse than dingledongle lmao

 

[Adam W]

And we will make our mind up so stop spouting crap all over the forum, your worse than dingledongle lmao

I'm entitled to my opinion and you're not going to silence me.