Does Part P need Reform?

[Pete999]

Not sure if any of you have picked up Septembers PE yet I was out shopping and picked up a copy fro an Independent Wholesaler.

I am passionate about this issue and have received several " Old, Dumb, Dislike or Disagree markers for my threads", but hey I have broad shoulders, so no worries there then.
The article ends with 8 replies from, what I assume are time served Electricians, waiting for some cries of "Oh no not Pete 999 winging again about 18 Day Domestic installer courses, seems I'm not the only one concerned about this.

The replies range from I'm a timed served sparks and not allowed to do work in my own house apparently, to should Consumers Units have a serial number so only registered Electricians be allowed to buy them, the later from an overseas Sparks, judging by the name. Each reply has it's own validity however controversial. worth a read if you get hold of a copy, rather than just looking at the offers.

Should be getting loads of Old, Dumb responses etc, far to long in the tooth to be worried though, there was one reply which hit the nail on the head, verbatim, " Gas Safe certificates for properties are law, non compliance to the building Regs is illegal, but non compliance to BS7671 is not. Another fundamental difference", well said to the author of that letter.

 

[Midwest]

A prosecution, by definition of proving someone guilty is optimistic Murdoch

 

[JAWS]

Pete or anyone! What qualifications or what does a person have to prove to be able to be classed as competent to work on a Domestic Dwelling?
Would you limit what work someone who done a 4 week course can do?
How would you police who can join Part P?

 

[Pete999]

Pete or anyone! What qualifications or what does a person have to prove to be able to be classed as competent to work on a Domestic Dwelling?
Would you limit what work someone who done a 4 week course can do?
How would you police who can join Part P?

A domestic installer's qualification I should imagine?

 

[Wilko]

To me, the main issue with short training times is the risk from lack of background knowledge and experience. Some folks don't know what they don't know (if that makes any sense) and get into trouble. @Massive1 if you are a full scope member of a Competent Person Scheme then you are classed as competent to perform the work and can notify under Part P.

 

[Deleted account]

I am not concerned about the part p registered schemes.

I'm concerned about the people who do part p work and are not registered.
They are more than likely to be unqualified and not electrically skilled( compitant).

A electrical trainee with relevant practical experience on the job, with insurances etc who is registered with compitant persons scheme is accountable, unlike those who aren't.

 

[Pepe]

I doubt anything will change. Money is a key issue. The niceic etc don't care who joins as long as they are making money. The customer doesn't care as long as they get the work they want done, paying as little as possible.
They should make it compulsory to have a licence to be an electrician. Your qualifications/ work experience are graded and that reflects what electrical work you can carry out. Or introduce a compulsory amount of supervised electrical experience/work you have to complete before you can work unaccompanied. Say 9000 hours, so like an apprenticeship but you can still get there without having to earn an apprentice wage.

 

[Pepe]

I doubt anything will change. Money is a key issue. The niceic etc don't care who joins as long as they are making money. The customer doesn't care as long as they get the work they want done, paying as little as possible.
They should make it compulsory to have a licence to be an electrician. Your qualifications/ work experience are graded and that reflects what electrical work you can carry out. Or introduce a compulsory amount of supervised electrical experience/work you have to complete before you can work unaccompanied. Say 9000 hours, so like an apprenticeship but you can still get there without having to earn an apprentice wage.

 

[Toneyz]

So many times on here people come on with the simplest of questions Part P approved/qualified and then you look at their profile and they have all the quals inc T&I where they have been on a Electrical Trainee course just shows that there is no substitute for on the job practical experience
I spoke to a gas fitter on site the other day and for companies, they are the same as our schemes where one person(s) sign off the work. so the fitters are not in gas safe I asked him what happens if someone wanted him to connect up a gas hob he said as long as he was not doing it for monetary gain he did not have to be in gas safe.

 

[Octopus]

^^ the NICEIC are part of the problem .... a registered charity, smoke and mirrors with their ownership, accounts and salaries

If they have nothing to hide it would be a simple ltd structure with directors and senior managers packages declared

 

[MDJ]

The NICEIC get the blame for everything lol, Part P is not their fault is it?