No incentive to make them smaller... bigger devices = bigger boards = more money for the manufacturers
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Toneyz
These builders will have to wake up and allow bigger electrical plant rooms.
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Deleted member 105166
The all in one 3 module width jobby from MEM Eaton is actually cheaper than the equivalent from Siemens, a 1 module width AFDD that mates with a 2 module width SP+N RCBO.
At the moment there's not many players in the marketplace, hence the ridiculously high pricing. That will change over the next 6-12 months.
At the moment there's not many players in the marketplace, hence the ridiculously high pricing. That will change over the next 6-12 months.
Its all getting out of hand to be honest. Electricians are being taken for total mugs these days. Glad i dont do any domestic work anymore.
I've never done domestic
Will industrial electricians be exempt from fitting these things, are they only to be fitted in residential properties
I have literally no idea what they are for
I haven't been paying attention to be honest.
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Octopus
I don’t think the IET do either
It’s the manufacturers on JPEL who have been pushing them .... because there is money to be made
As for introducing them..... unless there is sensibly priced test equipment they need to stay on the back burner .....
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Deleted member 105166
These things have been around a while across the pond and it seems there is test equipment available, e.g. Greenlee AFI-100. As has already been suggested, I reckon the MFT manufacturers will waste no time jumping on the bandwagon and launch a new range of 18th ed. testers with this as new functionality.
Fluke T+PRO Electrical Tester 95969327923 | eBay - https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fluke-T-PRO-Electrical-Tester/192561592597?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D52962%26meid%3D8571d8a5e7bf47c19c22ab9f028b3791%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D192561592597%26itm%3D192561592597&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3Aad82fb35-82d4-11e8-9456-74dbd1803e5b%7Cparentrq%3A7af254541640add89ecbb937fff225ca%7Ciid%3A1
Well at least fluke do a tester, so it's another one for the collection.
I just meant that as i work for a big company it doesn't matter to me personally as we fit whatever the spec is for the client.
The price for complying with these new regs is going to be a pain for small domestic jobs when changing boards etc. Just more expense for everyone.
The price for complying with these new regs is going to be a pain for small domestic jobs when changing boards etc. Just more expense for everyone.
I just meant that as i work for a big company it doesn't matter to me personally as we fit whatever the spec is for the client.
The price for complying with these new regs is going to be a pain for small domestic jobs when changing boards etc. Just more expense for everyone.
The price for complying with these new regs is going to be a pain for small domestic jobs when changing boards etc. Just more expense for everyone.
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Deleted member 26818
Yes so have some of those Martindale type socket testers.
I thought it was a link to an AFDD tester?
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Nigel
commercial only for them ,you want be putting them in domestic ,it would be the film jaws ,we need a bigger consumer unit or bigger boat .
No requirement to install in domestic. Only high risk areas such as flammable sites, places of historic importance and areas with high public usage.
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Nigel
They measure arc faults. The clue is in the name haha
Wes1000
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For anyone who’s not seen the regulation covering these AFDD’s it’s as follows;
421.1.7 arc fault detection devices conforming to BS EN 62606 are recommended as a means of providing additional protection against fire caused by arc faults in AC final circuits.
If used, an AFDD shall be placed at the origin of the circuit to be protected.
NOTE: Examples of where such devices can be used include:
•premises with sleeping accommodation
•locations with a risk of fire due to the nature of processed or stored materials, ie B2 locations (e.g barns, woodworking shops, stores of combustible materials)
• locations with combustible construction materials i.e. CA2 locations (e.g. wooden buildings)
• fire propagating structures i.e. CB2 locations
• locations with endangering of irreplaceable goods.
421.1.7 arc fault detection devices conforming to BS EN 62606 are recommended as a means of providing additional protection against fire caused by arc faults in AC final circuits.
If used, an AFDD shall be placed at the origin of the circuit to be protected.
NOTE: Examples of where such devices can be used include:
•premises with sleeping accommodation
•locations with a risk of fire due to the nature of processed or stored materials, ie B2 locations (e.g barns, woodworking shops, stores of combustible materials)
• locations with combustible construction materials i.e. CA2 locations (e.g. wooden buildings)
• fire propagating structures i.e. CB2 locations
• locations with endangering of irreplaceable goods.
May also make sense since Grenfell but then you'd have thought they'd listed BMO's
Recommended is too ambiguous to cause me any concern, by the time the reg becomes mandatory they will have tumbled in price and be the size of a single rcbo. Next!
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Nigel
I agree. Blocks of flats are dwellings. Not sleeping accommodation.
Also according to the NIC presenters, ADDS will not work on a RFC, they didn't give a very good explanation on the film they produced, but the fact that AFDDs won't work on a RFC according to them was something that stuck in my mind.
Ah, yes. Good point. Obvious when one gives it the merest moment of thought.
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