MK Logic Plus vs Hager Sollysta - which one should I choose?

[Alla Musica]

Agreed. I ended up buying quite a few MK Logic Plus - and the same problem occurs to my switches.

Not really too much of a problem in practice I'd guess - as long as they hold the wires tight. Better safe than sorry!

UPDATED: I've tried, and the screws on MK Logic Plus melt tooooooooo easily because they get stuck (overtighten) halfway and the torque required to move the screws wears them off...

Nonetheless, MK Logic Plus remains tempting for the plastic faceplate is extremely sturdy - does not bend even when I torture it with my hand. On the other hand, Click bends slightly to force.

 

[nicebutdim]

I'm liking how this comparison is progressing

 

[Alla Musica]

I'm liking how this comparison is progressing

Agreed.

I received my Click Mode yesterday. Nice as folks describe, and the rockers take little force to operate (unlike Logic Plus / Sollysta etc.).

My only complaints would be their sharp clicking noise, and sharp edges around rockers. For 2 gang small rockers, I would prefer the gangs to be slightly spaced out, e.g. BG, Hager Sollysta, MK Logic Plus.

Also the plastic plate is thinner than the Logic Plus but I do believe this isn't a problem.

 

[loz2754]

Another major advantage of the Click switches is the fact that they're part of their mini grid system.
So you can swap out individual switch modules for a different type of module. Meaning you can have a 2 way switch and an intermediate switch on the same plate easily. Or a fuse module etc.

 

[Alla Musica]

Another major advantage of the Click switches is the fact that they're part of their mini grid system.
So you can swap out individual switch modules for a different type of module. Meaning you can have a 2 way switch and an intermediate switch on the same plate easily. Or a fuse module etc.

Oh yes, exactly!!! Totally agree on this, and waaaaayyyyyy cheaper than the MK Grid system.

 

[Alla Musica]

I'm liking how this comparison is progressing

Now I'm ruling MK out for its notoriously flimsy terminal screws, leaving Hager Sollysta and Click Mode to choose from.

Hager Sollysta - Merits

• Smooth edge on rockers
• Rocker shape fits finger very well

Hager Sollysta - Disdvantages

• Non-modular - no DIY retrofit potential
• Brand carved on the faceplate (given my OCD)

Click Mode - Merits

• Modularity - potential for DIY retrofitting
• Requires little force to operate

Click Mode - Disadvantages

• Sharp noise when operated
• Sharp edges unpleasant to hands

 

[ipf]

Are you doing a report for 'Which?' ?

Click Mode - Disadvantages

• Sharp noise when operated
• Sharp edges unpleasant to hands

If that noise isn't deafening, what's the problem with an incisive 'click' for certainty of operation?
Wear some oven gloves if you're worried about hand damage.

 

[Alla Musica]

Are you doing a report for 'Which?' ?



If that noise isn't deafening, what's the problem with an incisive 'click' for certainty of operation?
Wear some oven gloves if you're worried about hand damage.

Sorry, I'm just trying to express I'm having difficulty deciding, which I didn't make clear of.

Also, Sollysta and Logic+ ain't as noisy as Click. But certainly, noise is not an important factor to consider. Hand comfortability - also unimportant but weighs more.

 

[Alla Musica]

Now I'm ruling MK out for its notoriously flimsy terminal screws, leaving Hager Sollysta and Click Mode to choose from.

Hager Sollysta - Merits

• Smooth edge on rockers
• Rocker shape fits finger very well

Hager Sollysta - Disdvantages

• Non-modular - no DIY retrofit potential
• Brand carved on the faceplate (given my OCD)

Click Mode - Merits

• Modularity - potential for DIY retrofitting
• Requires little force to operate

Click Mode - Disadvantages

• Sharp noise when operated
• Sharp edges unpleasant to hands

To clarify, I'm just expressing I'm still having difficulty deciding. If anyone could help me add to the list of merits and disadvantages, please do so and much appreciated.

 

[ipf]

Five days and 50 posts already, mate.

You seem to have tried a few, so it may be 'make your mind up time'.

 

[nicebutdim]

Five days and 50 posts already, mate.

You seem to have tried a few, so it may be 'make your mind up time'.

To be fair, the OP sets out what their aims are in their first few posts.

 

[Mike Johnson]

My personal choice is Hager, seem to be the most consistent over the range of all they make.

 

[Alla Musica]

To be fair, the OP sets out what their aims are in their first few posts.

Much appreciated, mate!

 

[Alla Musica]

My personal choice is Hager, seem to be the most consistent over the range of all they make.

So after a few days' difficult decision I come to totally agree with you. Good quality, pleasing aesthetics, and finger-friendly rockers...

 

[mattg4321]

Nobody mentioned Lap yet

 

[Alla Musica]

Nobody mentioned Lap yet

Cheers mate - I'll look into this too

 

[Mike Johnson]

To the OP, Lap is very low budget and not worth looking at for a decent accessory.

English sense of humour leaves a lot to be desired in translation.

 

[Alla Musica]

To the OP, Lap is very low budget and not worth looking at for a decent accessory.

English sense of humour leaves a lot to be desired in translation.

Aha I do realize this as well! Anyway, not going for this brand at all.

Also - as I'm not from the country, funny are the things I learn from the forum!

Cheers

 

[Alla Musica]

Watch out, folks, there is a catch with the Hager Sollysta:

Despite Hager claims the accessories to be under "product lifetime warranty", their T&Cs defines it as "25 years from the date of manufacture" - yes, from the date of manufacture.

That's cringe.

 

[Risteard]

Cheers mate - I'll look into this too

Please don't.

 

[Risteard]

Watch out, folks, there is a catch with the Hager Sollysta:

Despite Hager claims the accessories to be under "product lifetime warranty", their T&Cs defines it as "25 years from the date of manufacture" - yes, from the date of manufacture.

That's cringe.

I don't see the issue - seems entirely fair and reasonable to me.

 

[Alla Musica]

I don't see the issue - seems entirely fair and reasonable to me.

I'd assume normally the warranty starts from the purchase date instead (?)

 

[Alla Musica]

Please don't.

Not anymore!!!

 

[Risteard]

I'd assume normally the warranty starts from the purchase date instead (?)

I would doubt it. The defects period when installed would begin from when it's installed, but that's not the same thing as the manufacturer's warranty which could only logically be from date of manufacture in my opinion.

 

[pc1966]

I'd assume normally the warranty starts from the purchase date instead (?)

For consumer protection, yes, but that is normally just 1 or 2 years.

You are unlikely to find any supplier that holds more than a month or two of normal sales volume anyway, so I doubt it will make much difference. Also most parts have some sort of date code on them somewhere, so it is easier for the manufacturer to look at week+year and know how old it is, saves you having to keep receipts for 25 years as well

 

[Alla Musica]

You are unlikely to find any supplier that holds more than a month or two of normal sales volume anyway

I see - cheers!

 

[Alla Musica]

I'm really disappointed with the MK Logic Plus.

Not only that as you all know the terminal screws are flimsy and get stuck halfway through the terminals, the plastic edges are rough and uneven.

While this particular 3-gang below is made in Malaysia, same problems even with the UK-made switches.

Furthermore as you can see the right hand side rocker does not align perfectly with the other two.

However it seems MK Logic+ does come with somehow better plastics than Click Mode. I've got one of each exposed to air and (slightly greasy) fingers for 1-2 weeks (not yet installed but simulating daily use). MK's plastic remained in all its glory, and the Click one comes with very minor wears. Hopefully not a real issue in the long run!

 

[Alla Musica]

I used to use GET acessories, now defunct.

Is GET really defunct? I think it was acquired by Schneider in 2006...?

By coincidence I find the ones in my rental apartment also among the Schneider GET Exclusive series...

 

[nostos156]

My personal choice is Hager, seem to be the most consistent over the range of all they make.

My only issue with Hager is that the curved profile means the plugs don't sit flush with the socket if you look down/to the side. Really irks me as MK does it the best but have crappy terminals.

I had heard MK had shifted the Logic Plus manufacture back to the UK and the quality had returned, but this thread is giving me doubts...

 

[Alla Musica]

My only issue with Hager is that the curved profile means the plugs don't sit flush with the socket if you look down/to the side. Really irks me as MK does it the best but have crappy terminals.

I had heard MK had shifted the Logic Plus manufacture back to the UK and the quality had returned, but this thread is giving me doubts...

Not sure if Click Mode does equally great as MK Logic+ in this case? Though I have their switches, I don't have their outlets with me as I'm not in the UK.

I have a UK-made Logic+ and the terminals are still cr*ppy. And a Malaysian one with even cr*ppier terminals - 2 terminals has failed upon installation.

 

[nostos156]

Not sure if Click Mode does equally great as MK Logic+ in this case? Though I have their switches, I don't have their outlets with me as I'm not in the UK.

I have a UK-made Logic+ and the terminals are still cr*ppy. And a Malaysian one with even cr*ppier terminals - 2 terminals has failed upon installation.

I would imagine probably not. The Click Mode has a curved profile at the top and the bottom - MK only does it at the top to avoid the plug being able to rocked about. You'll notice the MK light switches etc have curves at the top and bottom but only at the top when using sockets.

 

[Alla Musica]

I would imagine probably not. The Click Mode has a curved profile at the top and the bottom - MK only does it at the top to avoid the plug being able to rocked about. You'll notice the MK light switches etc have curves at the top and bottom but only at the top when using sockets.

Oh yes! I just managed to recall that...

 

[Alla Musica]

I would imagine probably not. The Click Mode has a curved profile at the top and the bottom - MK only does it at the top to avoid the plug being able to rocked about. You'll notice the MK light switches etc have curves at the top and bottom but only at the top when using sockets.

Might Click Polar do the job (I imagine)...?!

 

[nostos156]

Might Click Polar do the job (I imagine)...?!

I'm not a fan of the rockers on the Click stuff tbh - far too square edged. Makes it feel very 80s.

 

[Alla Musica]

Makes it feel very 80s.

I truly agree with this!!! Haha

 

[Alla Musica]

I'm not a fan of the rockers on the Click stuff tbh - far too square edged. Makes it feel very 80s.

These are what I've installed back home in China over the 5 years of studying in the UK, and I find British switches truly a piece of wonder! Only a shame that any bigger plates wouldn't fit in my country...

I do find the Varilight dimmer faceplates a bit archaic too (like the Click Polar as you said) but I really like it that way, although still a slight mismatch with the Click Mode switch.

The MK Logic+ such is a serious mismatch with the Bull* emergency switch (in this case used just as a keyed switch to a ceiling lamp). I might replace it with a Schneider Pieno one which comes with a similar profile to the MK.

The Hager Sollysta was intended as just a souvenir but was finally installed to replace my failed MK Logic+.

The Click Polar and the BG Nexus are my souvenirs.

 

[nostos156]

I've heard that you can take out the dimmer modules in the Hager dimmer switches so you can put in the varilight one to get around the archaic look factor.

 

[Alla Musica]

I've heard that you can take out the dimmer modules in the Hager dimmer switches so you can put in the varilight one to get around the archaic look factor.

Sorry - I'm slightly confused - I don't have Hager dimmers here at all??

 

[nostos156]

Sorry - I'm slightly confused - I don't have Hager dimmers here at all??

I was just adding that in as another pro to the Hager Sollysta line, if someone doesn't like the look of the varilights - you can still use the electronics in the hager.

 

[Alla Musica]

I was just adding that in as another pro to the Hager Sollysta line, if someone doesn't like the look of the varilights - you can still use the electronics in the hager.

Ah I see - that sounds interesting. Do Sollysta dimmers dim LEDs well?