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Good afternoon all, today I experienced a near death electric shock. This happened on a single phase domestic property!

I was carrying out a few minor jobs for a customer: one of them was to install a new flood light to an old brick store in their back garden.

The brick store was fed via a 2.5mm SWA cable spurred off a ring main. This was connected to a twin socket which was then spurred off to an un switched FCU feeding a light switch / fluorescent light and a 1.5mm going to the existing outside light. (Technically wrong as it was a spur off a spur).

Here is where the fault lies with myself.

Rather than isolating the whole circuit (the whole house is on a single ring main and customer was working from home) I instead disconnected the 1.5mm live to the outside light from the FCU in order to give me some light to work with inside the store. All tested and proved dead between line and cpc.

After disconnecting the outside light and poking the cable feeding it back through the wall I then commenced installing a new flood light.

Returning inside the store to install a junction box to both the cable feeding it and the flex of the flood light I received an electric shock that I was stuck to for 15 seconds. I could not let go of the cable (had neutral in left hand and CPC in right) I was screaming for help and honestly thought I was a goner. I ended up making the decision and jumping / falling backwards resulting in everything electrical coming off the wall with me (Neutral had welded itself to my hand) but was able to free myself from the circuit.

I stumbled back inside to get help and had the customer call me cab to A+E.

I was in absolute bits, after 22 years in the game this was terrible and all resulted from a simple error from the previous ‘electrician’.

I had a glass of water and calmed myself and the customer down. I explained to him that I was fine and would go to the hospital later as I was really angry and as with any electrician wanted to know what went wrong.

Looking at the consumer unit I realised that there was only one ring main and the consumer unit had been altered from a 17th edition board to allow for that circuit to be placed on the main switch side still on a 32amp mcb. All I can assume is that there is a fault on that circuit which the previous electrician has got around. That raised my suspicions but still why the shock?

After very cautiously entering the store shed I then tested and soon realised that the live and neutral from the socket into the FCU had been wired up reversed which meant the live I pulled out of the load side was actually the neutral leaving the circuit still partially energised.

I basically had a hold of the live and cpc conductor which I was stuck to and am lucky to be here typing this message. I should’ve tested between neutral and earth too which would of tested voltage present.

It’s amazing how little protection MCB’s give the user in terms of electric shock (obviously they’re for overload only).

My message to all of you out there is test everything, I’ve either been really unlucky today or have gotten a bit complacent.

I've since been seen by a doctor and have had my heart tested, I’m fine. Just a small entry burn from the live and very shaken up.

Take care
 

timhoward

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I'm very glad to hear that you are ok and lived to tell the tale.
Being stuck to a live conductor is truly scary, I've managed this once in a completely reverse polarity house 15 years ago, and the lesson was well and truly learned to treat everything no matter how basic as the thing that might kill me.
My message to all of you out there is test everything
It's good that we get to hear of the near misses, many people wouldn't admit a mistake like this.
I’ve either been really unlucky today or have gotten a bit complacent.
Sounds like both to be honest! If wired correctly you'd have got away with it. But one more test of either N-CPC or L-N and you'd have gone "hang on a minute...."

I did save a plumber last week as he put a 2 pole on a shower and said "dead". Out of corner of eye I saw a red light on isolator and shouted "WAIT". Put my own two pole on and it lit up like a Christmas tree.
It's easy to fall out of the habit of checking our testers actually work before and after......
 

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We do poo poo non-contact testers a bit sometimes (not as much as the diy neon screwdriver!) but they can give an “early warning” that something isn’t quite right when it lights up after a quick run along a cable.


I once, as a naive apprentice, cut through a flex on a strip out which I had been assured was turned off, but the switch was on the neutral, not on the live…. And blew a hole on my pliers.


I learned, from then on in, to use the journeyman’s pliers…
 

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We do poo poo non-contact testers a bit sometimes (not as much as the diy neon screwdriver!) but they can give an “early warning” that something isn’t quite right when it lights up after a quick run along a cable.
I think they are important devices as long as they aren't used as the final proof that it is safe to work on.

Out of interest, has any one else had a non contact tester go completely crazy when DC cables for solar encircle the room?
I had one tell me an entire ceiling was live, wherever I put the tester!
 

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I think they are important devices as long as they aren't used as the final proof that it is safe to work on.

Out of interest, has any one else had a non contact tester go completely crazy when DC cables for solar encircle the room?
I had one tell me an entire ceiling was live, wherever I put the tester!
Yep had to take it out of the area it was driving me mad. Dont know what was causing it but it was well upset. Its OK now... lol
 

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I used a non contact tester on a socket that was live but soaking wet from a condensation problem in the kitchen. It showed as completely dead, even though I knew it to be live. They're a very useful tool, but need to be used along with other tools, not the least of which is Spidey Sense.
 

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Rather than isolating the whole circuit (the whole house is on a single ring main and customer was working from home) I instead disconnected the 1.5mm live to the outside light from the FCU in order to give me some light to work with inside the store. All tested and proved dead between line and cpc.
and not testing neutral to cpc then ,I'm glad you are here to tell the story ,even the brown pants have been discarded ,dont work live .
 

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Glad to hear you are OK.

I always wave the voltstick around everything as a second opinion. Sometimes it will find things the 2-pole won't, like a light switch that has a live feed but a disconnected CPC and no lamp load. The last time I cut into something live, no kind of tester would have helped as I was in the middle of a multicore armoured in the basement of a substation control room. We had a disconnection cert for it but some active 110V control and instrumentation circuits had been overlooked and the hacksaw started spitting out sparks as I cut.
 

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