What? No Thatcher thread?

[Des 56]

Rubbish, check your facts, i lived in London and i moved to Rugby to get a job.

If you were to try and compare the effects of Thatcher on London with the effects of Thatcher on Wales
In comparison you would need to move the ten million Londoners to Rugby to escape her evil deeds


London did not cease to function,London as a whole did not lose a way of life which had been cherished for many generations

Neither did London become a wasteland of desperate people,people who did not ever give support to such as her
She not only removed employment she destroyed our communities

She enjoyed more success than would have been imagined had Hitler taken control in years previously
At least the slave labour jobs we now enjoy since the slaughter of our communities, would have been available to all in our community

 

[Toonlad]

All i know is that in this current economic climate, this alleged 10 miilion cost for this funeral, is money that could be spent on a better cause. Im sure when i kick the bucket, they wont do none of this for me, and i have served this country well in my capacity.

Ohh well every one to there own.

 

[specs]

Specs, one of my main bugbears is not the closure of the pits it's the way they were closed. When you have an industry owned by the taxpayer and the government decide to close it for whatever reason then then government has a responsibility to ensure there's work in the area to provide for those people. There are towns in my area and many others that depended on the pits for primary and secondary employment. Close the primary and those workers have no money to spend, this means that the businesses providing the secondary employment soon become unviable also. Whole communities were condemned to a slow painful death by unemployment.

I cannot dissagree with this logic but the pits that were earmarked for closure were warned well in advance, scargill hothead that he was ,speeded up the pit closures , so that instead of pit closures spread around the country and done in an orderly fashion which would hopefully give workers the time to find employment elsewhere, scargill speeded up the process by calling an all out strike which affected once profit making pits and the steel workers and the car industry, which then meant that whole areas were not working and in many cases made it an unviable proposition to carry on supporting them. Just take a look at your own local town hall/council what do they actually produce ( except bills for you and i ) every year wages /pensions go up for these workers, how long are you prepared to pay the bills this taxpayer funded service sends to you. do you complain, probably not, but i bet you would welcome a change in this system so that your bills go down. TBC

 

[specs]

I'm off to bed now, cos i have work in the morning. :sleep1:

 

[SirKit Breaker]

I did Ok when she came to power because i was in the RAF, but i was in a mining town, so i can see a bit of both sides.
Like her or loathe her ( i thought she did OK), if we had had someone in power 10 years ago when the Afghan thing kicked off, then we would not be now mourning the loss of about 300 UK servicemen. She would have told Bush to OFF, just like Reagan did to her when she asked for help to sort the Falklands out. Since 1997 we have had leaders in this country who ask how high when a yank leader says jump, and that applies to all parties that have been or are in power now, a load of spineless ****s who are only in it for what they can get for themselves.

Cheers..........Howard

 

[UNG]

Nope I disagree, thatcher cause the biggest of them all, several years after her leaving office in the mid nineties, black wednesday bankrupted this country, we have never recovered, the problems we have now were caused by the american bankers, not gordon brown, although he did sell gold reserves off far too cheaply, don't believe everything you read in the tory propaganda press, have a mind of your own.

This Tory propaganda press statement is like a broken record please enlighten us to what propaganda you read so we can see your side of the argument

How many boom and busts happened under Thatcher? Brown didn't rein in the financial services industry because by the time he got in they had too much clout and they effectively owned the government, I agree with the bit about him being an idiot though.

No Brown just made the Bank of England independent to avoid any flack on interest rates. Browns economic prudence had one major flaw he took in £3 and spent £4

Isn't history a peculiar subject
It seems it can be manipulated to such an extent that the Thatcher era somehow starts smelling of roses,especially to some who believe in the 2nd hand tripe dished out by the media, who,incidentally, are owned by the subjects of the tripe

The irony of it all,is that the belief is held (usually) by those who lived in places where the impact of one evil person had no catastrophic effect on their community or found that suddenly those communities became like deserts of dignity and morality

All because of the vindictivenes and uncaring illogical hysteria of one evil woman

All because they followed one evil person into an undemocratic strike, Arthur is proud of you he took you for a ride and was sitting pretty while you pandered to his crusade to over throw the government unfortunately it didn't work the second time around

Specs, one of my main bugbears is not the closure of the pits it's the way they were closed. When you have an industry owned by the taxpayer and the government decide to close it for whatever reason then then government has a responsibility to ensure there's work in the area to provide for those people. There are towns in my area and many others that depended on the pits for primary and secondary employment. Close the primary and those workers have no money to spend, this means that the businesses providing the secondary employment soon become unviable also. Whole communities were condemned to a slow painful death by unemployment.

By the time Scargill saw the error of his ways with his undemocratic strike it was too late the irreparable damage had been done, can never quite understand how the NUM were still bankrolling him until recently and the miners and ex miners still treat him like a god. He took away everything and left many communities with nothing

 

[Elmer BeFuddled]

Im sure when i kick the bucket, they wont do none of this for me, and i have served this country well in my capacity.

I for one will tell my grandchildren to tell my great great grandchildren in hushed reverential tones how the mightyToonlad helped keep the Newky Broon company going strong against the onslaught of the southern pimms o'clock brigade.

 

[MDJ]

Absolutly right Trev, but my point was and is, it wasn't Mags,unlike blair and brown because they did do damage.

Poppy cock, stuff and nonsense hehe

 

[cotty]

R.i.p..........

 

[Kamikaze]

Yes , but don't you know " We are all in this together. "

That must be why Iain Duncan Smith is so desperate to join us. David Cameron told him it was so much better to live on your knees than struggle on your feet.

Let us all face it, the human race is chaotic, reckless, at times brilliant, mostly self-serving, good some of the time, evil slightly less of the time and occasionally downright self-destructive. The driving force is capitalism. And since it is working ever so well, the major players in the world have been exporting it to more increasingly unsuitable places to show it a good time. I recon we should give Trev and Des a tire iron, some gaffer tape and fifteen minutes alone in a room with all these idiots & I guarantee the financial crises will be sorted out. That would get my vote! :gunsmilie:

 

[ruston]

That must be why Iain Duncan Smith is so desperate to join us. David Cameron told him it was so much better to live on your knees than struggle on your feet.

Let us all face it, the human race is chaotic, reckless, at times brilliant, mostly self-serving, good some of the time, evil slightly less of the time and occasionally downright self-destructive. The driving force is capitalism. And since it is working ever so well, the major players in the world have been exporting it to more increasingly unsuitable places to show it a good time. I recon we should give Trev and Des a tire iron, some gaffer tape and fifteen minutes alone in a room with all these idiots & I guarantee the financial crises will be sorted out. That would get my vote! :gunsmilie:

Could we make a few quid from the video?

 

[Kamikaze]

If you posted it on Facebush…maybe. :29:

 

[ruston]

If you posted it on Facebush…maybe. :29:

Suppose you want a cut because it's your intellectual property ?

 

[Silly Sausage]

That must be why Iain Duncan Smith is so desperate to join us. David Cameron told him it was so much better to live on your knees than struggle on your feet.

Let us all face it, the human race is chaotic, reckless, at times brilliant, mostly self-serving, good some of the time, evil slightly less of the time and occasionally downright self-destructive. The driving force is capitalism. And since it is working ever so well, the major players in the world have been exporting it to more increasingly unsuitable places to show it a good time. I recon we should give Trev and Des a tire iron, some gaffer tape and fifteen minutes alone in a room with all these idiots & I guarantee the financial crises will be sorted out. That would get my vote! :gunsmilie:

Let me simplify that for you, selfish ignorant barstewardss!

 

[Kamikaze]

We will share it equally. 70% to me and 30% to you. :wink_smile:

 

[ruston]

We will share it equally. 70% to me and 30% to you. :wink_smile:

Lol this capitalism is great, at least you are being fair, I will pay your tax as you are treating me so well.

 

[Kamikaze]

Good lad!...lol

 

[ruston]

Good lad!...lol

Then when we go bust I can carry the can, then you can start up under a new name, get all the grants and stuff and sod off to China and make a mint. Good innit:joker:

 

[Kamikaze]

Had I known you have such an enterprising nature, I would have teamed up with you earlier...lol :17:

 

[ruston]

I'm very successful , I only lost 3 billion in the last 6 months, so the board have increased my bonuses.

 

[Adam W]

Lol this capitalism is great, at least you are being fair, I will pay your tax as you are treating me so well.

Nah it should be done fairly, the socialist way, and split equally between you 50/50 after I've taken my administration fees and you've paid your dues to the union, who pay my basic salary. Well I shouldn't be out of pocket should I.

 

[specs]

Poppy cock, stuff and nonsense hehe

I think it must be nice in your world

 

[MDJ]

I think it must be nice in your world

Fleck off you Prik :earmuffs:

 

[ruston]

Nah it should be done fairly, the socialist way, and split equally between you 50/50 after I've taken my administration fees and you've paid your dues to the union, who pay my basic salary. Well I shouldn't be out of pocket should I.

No, not having it , I need tuppence an hour more than you .

 

[Silly Sausage]

I think it must be nice in your world

I spent a year in Thornbury once, one of the best years of my life.
So the answer is...YES!

 

[specs]

Fleck off you Prik :earmuffs:

very nice

 

[MDJ]

very nice

My God Specs I would have thought by now you had worked out I was pulling your chain :ciappa: I'm not a bad guy really, cheer up you dwat

 

[specs]

My God Specs I would have thought by now you had worked out I was pulling your chain :ciappa: I'm not a bad guy really, cheer up you dwat

, neither am i, so i forgive you :wink_smile: thats the sort of bloke i am,Its not your fault that what you believe to be true is not. However in order to guide you in the right direction i will pm you an invite to the' Mags Admiration an Devotion' meeting which is held on the 1st April every year, unfortunatly you missed this years meeting, but next years will be a truly moving event.:wink_smile:

 

[Earthstore]

Recently I have been reading up on Scargill and a chap called Red Robbo, which affected some of my friends at BL, so I have heard their side of the story too.

I have read it all with an open mind and am left bemused now, Red Robbo apparently caused 523 walkouts at LongBridge at a cost of £200 million in lost production, now, even if every walkout was justified no business can take this kind of financial hit, remember this was the 1970's when a million quid was a lot of dosh, so it is hardly surprising that BL went the way they did.

The miners thing was different, and it destroyed whole communities, communities that were built around one industry, which parts of it were, at the time, unsustainable, but everybody went on strike, united, lead by a man who even recently lost a court case because he was still using the NUM as his personal bank, which with all these strikes made the whole industry unsustainable.
So the whole thing closed, and Margret Thacher was blamed.

Before I get a barrage of abuse, I just wonder if the whole thing had been handled much better by both sides whether things would have been different.

At the end of the day, if you are reading this and you run your own business, and employ people, would your business survive if your staff were always on strike, or wanted to work just 3 days or wanted a 330% pay rise?

Just trying to sit on the fence here.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Now come on fellas, I think this subject is dead and buried now.

 

[Des 56]

The past cannot be altered,but we can learn from the past
Opinion on both sides of the argument may never alter, the way forward will be affected by the events of times gone by,probably tempering those actions because of what did happen

For good or bad Thatcher has been laid to rest and is confined to history
The present times are enough to concern the population without the marginalising of recent days
Rest in peace Maggie T
Now what do you all say to "lets move on folks"

 

[Spudnik]

Now what do you all say to "lets move on folks"

I say thats a fantastic idea.