Who will you vote for?

[Englishman]

really lol?

They're not about anymore are they?

 

[Jonspark]

And remember kids, if your practicing ---- (with gf) wear a sheath.

 

[telectrix]

And remember kids, if your practicing ---- (with gf) wear a sheath.

stripped from some T/E, wrapped round with geordie's gaffer tape.

 

[andyb]

No surprise to see this ignored by the Labour clowns.

Why would they ignore this?
Pre the 2007/8 crash the two highest peaks on your graph for borrowing are the result of a Tory government & the two lowest peaks for surpless are during a Labour government.

 

[Engineer54]

A post very stereotypical of a real die hard Labourite who has been conned by Labours ideology of being for the working man and everyone who signs on the rock and roll or decides that working the benefits system is their best line of work. Unlike you I'm under no illusion that any of the parties are on the side of the working man and your reseach has obviously brainwashed you by not allowing you to see the wood for trees with all of these parties. I don't see how being on the outside thousands of miles away from the UK gives you any better perspective of what is going on than actually living with it.Don't believe all you read in your reseach as out on the sharpend getting involved is far better research of how government and local government policy is enacted or not as it's failures are usually called a change of policy and any waste of resources hidden

A perfect example of YOU not being able to see the wood for the tree's....You see and believe what suits your beliefs and skim over the bigger overall picture!! Oh and i'm the last one here that believes everything that's been put in print, in fact the very opposite is generally the case. ''Living with it'' as you put it, is the reason why you have a distorted view, (think about it) you have a far better overall perspective on the why's and how's when on the outside looking in... Oh and as i have stated many times here i'm no die hard for any UK political party, they all have their faults and assets. It's a shame that none ever seem to put the country first, instead it's the party and their friends that tend to be the first priority!!

I always find it highly amusing reading of the die hard Tory supporters that have nothing to conserve but somehow believe they have to support them, and come out with the most bizarre rhetoric and blaming just about everyone and their dog in order to substantiate their ill founded stands!!

 

[Englishman]

Why would they ignore this?
Pre the 2007/8 crash the two highest peaks on your graph for borrowing are the result of a Tory government & the two lowest peaks for surpless are during a Labour government.

That graph was posted by telectrix in response to trevs comment that debt had increased. As I said before, it was going to increase regardless, unless there was no borrowing whatsoever, which there was never going to be.

 

[Octopus]

Why would they ignore this?
Pre the 2007/8 crash the two highest peaks on your graph for borrowing are the result of a Tory government & the two lowest peaks for surpless are during a Labour government.

And nearly ALL the years, irrespective of who was in power have been a deficit - which is more than the route of the problem.

Never mind balancing the budget, god knows how long it would take to pay off!

 

[andyb]

And nearly ALL the years, irrespective of who was in power have been a deficit - which is more than the route of the problem.

My view also Murdoch, I think I've said before on here, I don't think any party has much efect on the economy other than the odd tweak.

Never mind balancing the budget, god knows how long it would take to pay off!

I think the budget will be balanced sometimes but I also think we will always have debt. It will never be paid off.

 

[Guest77]

My view also Murdoch, I think I've said before on here, I don't think any party has much efect on the economy other than the odd tweak.


I think the budget will be balanced sometimes but I also think we will always have debt. It will never be paid off.

I disagree, with our economy it will get back into the black eventually, it will take time, just to let you know, America is 1.6 trillion over drawn, so we are not alone being in debt.

 

[andyb]

I disagree, with our economy it will get back into the black eventually, it will take time, just to let you know, America is 1.6 trillion over drawn, so we are not alone being in debt.

I think you've put the decimal point in the wrong place for America. I'm sure ours is about 1.6 trillion.

 

[Guest77]

I think you've put the decimal point in the wrong place for America. I'm sure ours is about 1.6 trillion.

Hi- Andy, yes apologies I meant 16 Trillion, thanks for correcting me, the biggest point here is why the decimal point slipped into the post lol.

 

[Octopus]

I disagree, with our economy it will get back into the black eventually, it will take time, just to let you know, America is 1.6 trillion over drawn, so we are not alone being in debt.

yup the economy will get back in the black - BUT with £1.5 trillion, and say £50 bilion repayment, it will take 30 years!

Another fine success for the EU - they allow a 3% deficit per year - even in the good times - which is madness.

 

[andyb]

yup the economy will get back in the black - BUT with £1.5 trillion, and say £50 bilion repayment, it will take 30 years!

Another fine success for the EU - they allow a 3% deficit per year - even in the good times - which is madness.

Not sure our deficit is anything to do with the EU Murdoch.

 

[Octopus]

Not sure our deficit is anything to do with the EU Murdoch.

It is very much to do with the EU - all states (except those who lie) must keep within a 3% deficit - or risk a fine

 

[ferg]

It would be much easier to have an informed opinion if the people giving us the information to form the opinion with told something resembling the truth.

The current crop of politicians may have different agendas but they are all behaving in the same way.

Petty point scoring, making promises they won't keep and telling half truths.

Most importantly treating us all like we are too effing stupid to cope with the truth.

The NHS needs shaken up badly. It's crap value for money and so bogged down in bureaucracy nothing can change.

I like the NHS and think it is one of the things that makes our country great.

It really does need radical change though.

Why doesn't it happen?

Because politicians are too frightened to make tough decisions.

They know the opposition will use it to score cheap points and the sensationalist British gutter press will have a field day.

Not that I'm disillusioned with Brithish politics.

 

[Octopus]

It would be much easier to have an informed opinion if the people giving us the information to form the opinion with told something resembling the truth.

The current crop of politicians may have different agendas but they are all behaving in the same way.

Petty point scoring, making promises they won't keep and telling half truths.

Most importantly treating us all like we are too effing stupid to cope with the truth.

The NHS needs shaken up badly. It's crap value for money and so bogged down in bureaucracy nothing can change.

I like the NHS and think it is one of the things that makes our country great.

It really does need radical change though.

Why doesn't it happen?

Because politicians are too frightened to make tough decisions.

They know the opposition will use it to score cheap points and the sensationalist British gutter press will have a field day.

Not that I'm disillusioned with Brithish politics.

AND you have to listen to the constant drivel coming out of Nicola Sturgeons mouth every day!

 

[ferg]

I get Nicola Stugeon and you get Nigel Farage.

They are all playing the same silly games.

 

[Octopus]

I get Nicola Stugeon and you get Nigel Farage.

They are all playing the same silly games.

Now thats not a nice thought....

Ah well, come 2016 and Sturgeon says you'll have another referendum - which I think is distinctly odd seeing as the oil tax revenue has dropped so much, along with exports of Whisky - does she need new batteries in her calculator OR has she borrowed one from Ed Balls?

 

[ferg]

I objected to the Scottish parliment in the first place as it was just another layer of petty point scoring lying barstewards.

I would much rather the money was spent elsewhere.

 

[plugsandsparks]

A perfect example of YOU not being able to see the wood for the tree's....You see and believe what suits your beliefs and skim over the bigger overall picture!! Oh and i'm the last one here that believes everything that's been put in print, in fact the very opposite is generally the case. ''Living with it'' as you put it, is the reason why you have a distorted view, (think about it) you have a far better overall perspective on the why's and how's when on the outside looking in... Oh and as i have stated many times here i'm no die hard for any UK political party, they all have their faults and assets. It's a shame that none ever seem to put the country first, instead it's the party and their friends that tend to be the first priority!!

I always find it highly amusing reading of the die hard Tory supporters that have nothing to conserve but somehow believe they have to support them, and come out with the most bizarre rhetoric and blaming just about everyone and their dog in order to substantiate their ill founded stands!!

You, now, are having a laugh. I have an interest in Spain and keep abreast of Spanish issues that could affect me. Now for me to think that I have some mysterious "better" idea of what is going on in Spain, than, say, a local business man in Barcelona (maybe even an electrician) is naïve at best.

you may not support a party, you don't need to, but you are a one dimensional socialist trying to sound cleverer than you are (on this subject) .lol