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I never though it was in this context, but as electricians are involved in construction the common meaning in the Building Trade for QS = Quantity Surveyor.
 

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A few years ago my s-i-l was helping her daughter do her homework on garden birds googling "blue tits" brought up something that she didn't expect
 

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There is often a catalogue of failings behind a fatal electrical incident. In this case the human angle on the case is thrown into stark relief as a young life was lost due to the errors knowingly committed by people with a duty of care. Without wishing in any way to diminish the importance of that, it's interesting to note how far we have come in managing the risks associated with technical hazards. Despite all the electrical equipment in use, millions of appliances, millions of circuits, live 24/7, when something goes wrong badly enough to kill, it can make national press.

I think it's important to use insights like this to home-in on the problem areas. The lad was not shocked by a circuit where the Zs was too high due to failure to compensate for the conductors being warmer during operation than testing. He was shocked because the whole premises' MET was floating free perhaps for a decade. The fine technical details are important, but equally or more important are the basic provisions for safety and doing business in such a way as to root out installations that do not meet them and get them sorted.

We sometimes hear about installations that seem likely to cause harm (e.g. with C1's or borderline C1's) and the only practical advice that can be given is to walk away. Those are the installations where one really needs to double down and find a solution for the customer to get the worst of the risks under control, even at the expense of not working to one's own normal standards of perfection. It's not easy.
 
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We sometimes hear about installations that seem likely to cause harm (e.g. with C1's or borderline C1's) and the only practical advice that can be given is to walk away. Those are the installations where one really needs to double down and find a solution for the customer to get the worst of the risks under control, even at the expense of not working to one's own normal standards of perfection. It's not easy.
I think the big difference with this installation however is that it is a public premises and therefore anybody knowing about its C1's are legally obliged to report it to the HSE if the owner refuses to have it rectified. Legally you're not allowed to just 'walk away'. It's a very important distinction.
 

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I think the big difference with this installation however is that it is a public premises and therefore anybody knowing about its C1's are legally obliged to report it to the HSE if the owner refuses to have it rectified. Legally you're not allowed to just 'walk away'. It's a very important distinction.
The sparks was probably one of the landlords 'mates' regular customers and wouldn't upset the apple cart by reporting anything. Probably did the work for a couple of free pints so no invoice, no record of having done anything (work wise) at the pub until something goes badly wrong ...... ie the young lad losing his life!!
 

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If I remember correctly the electrician was the landlords BIL and shall we say quite old, or is that in the prime of his life.

CBT = Compulsory Bike Training Is all I can find, how sheltered has my life been?
 

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The sparks was probably one of the landlords 'mates' regular customers and wouldn't upset the apple cart by reporting anything. Probably did the work for a couple of free pints so no invoice, no record of having done anything (work wise) at the pub until something goes badly wrong ...... ie the young lad losing his life!!
And very sad to hear. My heart goes out to those affected by this tragedy.
Also very sad to say it will make little or no long term difference to most people who read this.
It will be forgotten about within a short time. But if even one landlord takes notice and takes positive action that will mean something.
 

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