Atleast you now have a price to refer to when convincing your customers of value for money. A welcome change to the current "17th edition consumer unit upgrade, prices starting at £200" advertisements, no?
Dunno, they are everywhere tonight, apparently into wholesale and all sorts of stuff. I think VoltzE is there sales director, either that or maybe his PC has a crumb stuck under a function key he has programmed. Very strange.
Has the earth moved tonight or something, i know its been a bit windy, well in Yapan anywhay
Has the earth moved tonight or something, i know its been a bit windy, well in Yapan anywhay
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sparks1973
yes....you can then inform `the fella who stands at the end of the bar` that you have the new C/U so he can come and fit it for you for a fistfull of fivers and a crate....caus you heard it on the grapevine that he `knew about electrics`....:cowboy:
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Adam W
... Or just have a bash yourself - it can't be that difficult...
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Spazz
I installed one of these £50 (weell £55 now) jobs from B&Q the other week, did it as a favor for a nabour who has helped me out of a lot of difficaties over the last 2 months - least i could do considering he had a BS3036 rewireable installed - gained a full rewire (paid for) from it as well as 3 other nabours all wanted their CUs updated and rewired houses.
Anyway back to the club 3000 - it was actually a very nice board to work with - better than most I have worked with - only argument was the plastic catches where not up to what they could be. Otherwise I would use them again no question asked.
Im thinking about sticking a card into every box my local B&Q has on stands - easy and free advertising - could get into some trouble - hence I dont know yet
Anyway back to the club 3000 - it was actually a very nice board to work with - better than most I have worked with - only argument was the plastic catches where not up to what they could be. Otherwise I would use them again no question asked.
Im thinking about sticking a card into every box my local B&Q has on stands - easy and free advertising - could get into some trouble - hence I dont know yet
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sparks1973
yes....its called the right to free trade....something our country was based on.....and of course buyer beware....its up to the likes of B&W, WICKES, and the supermarkets etc what they sell and to who they sell it to...or not........likewise, its up to people what they choose to do on/in their own property/s....nowt to do with anyone else.....and that includes the `part P police`, wannabe directors and government snoopers going round....
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trev
Any restrictions on the sheds selling anything will be fought against tooth and nail, they are big businesses so the government is scared of them. They would claim that a restriction would force them to pay off many hundreds/thousands of their friendly helpful experts and rob them of their rightful profits.
If electrical items were restricted then every other trade would demand the same for their materials. The sheds would probably be closed if all trades materials were restricted at what cost to the country?
That's why it'll never happen
If electrical items were restricted then every other trade would demand the same for their materials. The sheds would probably be closed if all trades materials were restricted at what cost to the country?
That's why it'll never happen
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Engineer54
What's the betting, 9 or more out of every ten sold are to electricians trying to keep their costs down!!!
Have no time at all, for those that think the general public owes the self employed electricians a living!!!
Wholesalers opening hours are great for everyday use.
B&Q, toolstation, screwfix etc. are open 8 til 8 7 days handy for occasional purchases when working evenings/weekends on a deadline.
However, there should be warnings all over the place about the dangers of stuffing up your own electrical work, which of course there are not.
Another factor to consider is that electrical wholesalers, a place where this information would be more likely given, consistently charge joe public way over the going rate and therefore discourage them from ever visiting.
B&Q, toolstation, screwfix etc. are open 8 til 8 7 days handy for occasional purchases when working evenings/weekends on a deadline.
However, there should be warnings all over the place about the dangers of stuffing up your own electrical work, which of course there are not.
Another factor to consider is that electrical wholesalers, a place where this information would be more likely given, consistently charge joe public way over the going rate and therefore discourage them from ever visiting.
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trev
Utter rubbish! Open the box of any fitting, there'll be a leaflet inside and somewhere on that will be a warning reading something like "If in doubt, consult a suitably qualified electrician"
If Joe Soap disregards that advice and fries himself then what can we do?
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trev
Tel, as usal you make a great point but surely Joe Soap is more likely to read the instructions on a CU than a socket or switch. There's only a couple of terminals on them
You are absolutely correct somewhere at the end of the instruction leaflet in small type is that exact warning.
Which if read at all will be at some point during the install of said product.
I'm not advocating a part P gestapo agent at the sheds just that some warning before buying the product would be a good idea.
Personally I think if folks are given some sort of advice then after that they can do what they like.
It's the giving of the advice that is important.
@trev utter rubbish lol. Just say what you mean instead of beating round the bush
Which if read at all will be at some point during the install of said product.
I'm not advocating a part P gestapo agent at the sheds just that some warning before buying the product would be a good idea.
Personally I think if folks are given some sort of advice then after that they can do what they like.
It's the giving of the advice that is important.
@trev utter rubbish lol. Just say what you mean instead of beating round the bush
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trev
Most people knowthat electricity can kill you, if someone isn't clever enough to link that scrap of info with the shiny new electrical accessory they have just bought and crack on with fitting it then maybe they are too stupid to live. I know any accidental death is a tragedy for someone but how far do we take the protection of the stupid?
Should we remind them to swallow in case they drown in their own saliva?
Should we remind them to swallow in case they drown in their own saliva?
Was approached by a friend at one of their parties asking me to have a word with her father in law as he was having a problem with his 'electric box'.
I approached him and started to chat to him and asked him what the problem was. He brought a consumer unit for the garage and it didn't come with any instructions, he was confused and didn't know where to put the wires in, he had fitted them before without any problems!!!. I did inform him that if he doesn't know what he is doing he should leave the job to someone who is competant to do the work and able to test the installation and sign it off, I then gave him my business card and told him I will come out and give him a free qoute.
That was about 2 months ago, still nothing heard.
I approached him and started to chat to him and asked him what the problem was. He brought a consumer unit for the garage and it didn't come with any instructions, he was confused and didn't know where to put the wires in, he had fitted them before without any problems!!!. I did inform him that if he doesn't know what he is doing he should leave the job to someone who is competant to do the work and able to test the installation and sign it off, I then gave him my business card and told him I will come out and give him a free qoute.
That was about 2 months ago, still nothing heard.
I'm not advocating a "warning this coffee may be hot" approach.
We live in a world where people need warned about wet floors might be slippery etc.
I think sometimes folks really dont realise the dangers involved.
Probably a difference of opinion that will never be resolved, but this is a discussion forum so I have no objection to being told I'm talking rubbish.
We live in a world where people need warned about wet floors might be slippery etc.
I think sometimes folks really dont realise the dangers involved.
Probably a difference of opinion that will never be resolved, but this is a discussion forum so I have no objection to being told I'm talking rubbish.
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oldtimer
Plus why should I pay you for fitting a safety fuseboard for £400-£500 for when I can get Electrical Trainee Joe to throw it in for £200 plus I need to save the money as the service bill for my £25k car is £300-£400 and by the way while your here could you tidy up the cable at the back of my £900 50" TV
If someone wants to do their own dodgy electrical work in their own house then that is their lookout. They deserve to fry!
But it's not fair on the next person who has to live in the premises. Usually they are poor tenants and the greedy landlord has done a right bodge, not that they care!
But it's not fair on the next person who has to live in the premises. Usually they are poor tenants and the greedy landlord has done a right bodge, not that they care!
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sparks1973
yes...i dont see a problem at all in electricians trying to keep their costs down....the same goes for customers.....
sometimes its hard when a customers first words are `how much`...rather than `will i get value for money`.....theres been quite a few occasions when we have worked for customers who wanted to get their own gear for us to install.....i don`t see an issue with it.......makes me chuckle sometimes when we`v explained to them that what they have bought isn`t suitable for the proposed install....
reminds me of the C/U change we had on at this place about a month back....poor lass came back with a 16th ed board...the wholesalers should have told her really....hmm.....
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Engineer54
I don't think anyone has a problem with electricians using these CU's from B&Q and the like. But i'm sure there are some here that actually believe, that all these CU's at these shed's are being sold to Joe Public. Even when the public do buy these budget CU's from the shed's, it will be more likely with a view of saving money on materials with the local electrician rather than with the idea of doing the job themselves...
Yes there are idiots about, but you can't save the world from these people, they live among us and always have done!! lol!!
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oldtimer
Yep but some of them buy a CU then try to fit it themselves and then come on here saying "My RCD keeps tripping evertime I put the bathroom light on " type of thing
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Sausage
And the trouble with that is.....?
It gives somebody a remedial, and us something to talk about. Otherwise the forums would be full of pictures of perfect installations that they have just done, and want to share.
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Swicade
There trouble with that is.....?......
Where do you start? could be quite a list but the main thing i can think of as worst case scenario is death and destruction...
Death while trying to do it OR doing it and killing someone else....Destruction by possibility of house burning down....
Tbh it's got naff all to do with keeping any forum busy/amusing with lots of questions.
Where do you start? could be quite a list but the main thing i can think of as worst case scenario is death and destruction...
Death while trying to do it OR doing it and killing someone else....Destruction by possibility of house burning down....
Tbh it's got naff all to do with keeping any forum busy/amusing with lots of questions.
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Sausage
True, but the number of units flying out of the sheds vs the number of houses burning down/ people being electrocuted, doesn't really support that does it?
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Swicade
Even 1 would be 1 too many.
I guess going by the logic that it's all fine and dandy anyone can buy a consumer unit and fit it without any qaulifications/knowledge then all those sparks doing domestic work may aswell pack up thier tools as anyone can do thier job after all.
I guess going by the logic that it's all fine and dandy anyone can buy a consumer unit and fit it without any qaulifications/knowledge then all those sparks doing domestic work may aswell pack up thier tools as anyone can do thier job after all.
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Sausage
No, sparks can just carry on pricing and doing all the work that they are qualified and competent to do, and Joe public can carry on buying whatever they want to complete whatever project they fancy having a go at, electrics included, and any electrical work they do that then doesn't work can be made better by a good sparks.
And the world turns.
I won't be losing any sleep over people doing work in their own home. I hope they live to call an electrician though! That's the job of the Electrical Safety Council and others to raise awareness.
And the world turns.
I won't be losing any sleep over people doing work in their own home. I hope they live to call an electrician though! That's the job of the Electrical Safety Council and others to raise awareness.
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Swicade
Totaly agree Trev.
Tbh my personal issue is that alot of DIYers can have issue's with changing lights,sockets,lightswitches etc so i think selling consumer units in the sheds is just asking for trouble as the temptation is there for people to try fitting them and cause problems. I just think selling more complicated stuff (like CU's,boilers and the like) in DIY stores is wrong and tempting fate.
I will stress this isn't just about CU's my concerns are for other trades aswell where a certain amount of skill is involved.
Tbh my personal issue is that alot of DIYers can have issue's with changing lights,sockets,lightswitches etc so i think selling consumer units in the sheds is just asking for trouble as the temptation is there for people to try fitting them and cause problems. I just think selling more complicated stuff (like CU's,boilers and the like) in DIY stores is wrong and tempting fate.
I will stress this isn't just about CU's my concerns are for other trades aswell where a certain amount of skill is involved.
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