Level of qualification needed to obtain licence?

[overskilled]

Thoroughly agree Southsea, bad sparks have always been around, licensing without regular "unannounced" spot checks just gives them legitimacy and turns a blind eye the endemic issues....
Another point are those time served who sit basic stuff like the 2382 over and over and over and over, yet are allowed to keep working on homes and businesses despite their knowledge being well below par...

 

[Jibapproved]

JIB have already set a standard

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I think a lot of the problems lie with the NICEIC since it came up with defined scope approval to run along side the approved contractor scheme this to me has mushroomed into the competent persons schemes we have now. I would like to think that no self respecting electricians came up with the make a quick buck training system and schemes we have now.

We only need one line in the sand that is a base level qualification that enables everybody to work on any basic electrical system in any sector with further specialised courses or modularised training specific to the industry sectors you are working in if required quite simple really no money spinning assessment scheme complication an electrician is an electrician end of

so what about all them that work in these short course Electrical Trainee training centres then?

dont try telling me they dont know, are actively involved in and contribute to the out n out shambles we have at the mo..

they are contributing (knowingly) to it as a lot of these characters will have vested interests themselves...maybe even own a slice of the training centre they slither about in...

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Indeed, so let's let the sh*te sparkies continue to wreak their havoc ( after all they are qualified). Sorry I disagree with your thesis, but qualifications are not enough. The inspection of your work by an independent body has to be the benchmark to raise standards.

yeah...
and not one thats olive branching it to the government...

or oily brown envolope backhander stuff as well...

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Gosh you're, well, just such a cynic Glenn.....

 

[overskilled]

JIB have already set a standard

Aye and its resulted in a shambles, companies that drop in and out of paying JIB rates with no sanctions, no interest in getting the best candidates into the industry.....as usual serve the interest of their corporate members rather than the people on the tools or the industry at large....

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Spoken like a truly unqualified spark.

Qualified drivers are not necessarily good drivers. Does that mean that as of tomorrow we should allow all unlicensed people to drive?

There has to be a base line, some good guys will inevitably fall short of this, but a vast majority of bad guys will be unable to operate as a result. Politics my friend, it's about doing the greatest amound of good for the greatest amount of people, and in this case, the needs of the unsuspecting general public trump those of a few unqualified 'electricians'.

and that base line is far, far too low at the moment...

stooping to new depths...

disgraceful..it really is...that someone can just flippently come off a few days course and then go out installing whatever...

 

[Badged01]

JIB have already set a standard

mmmmmm ..... and I think we can all say we've come across (or had working for us) JIB "electricians" who we wouldn't let work unsupervised!

Or maybe Ive just had some bad experiences .......

 

[Badged01]

that someone can just flippently come off a few days course and then go out installing whatever...

There lies the problem. A course is a course and is meaningless in its own right. I could do an underwater, night-time, assasins course part-time at college but still couldnt kill jack sh*t.

The issues lies with someone has deamed then "competent" to 'install' based on not just the course but other attributes/experiences they have!!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Gosh you're, well, just such a cynic Glenn.....

well you know me...i says what i sees...